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londonmark · Feb 27th, 2007, 06:35 PM

Hi everyone.

Does anyone know if the 0-62mph (7.3) in the MCS Auto is achieved by using the paddles, or using normal auto mode??

Cheers, Mark

Avantone · Feb 27th, 2007, 07:10 PM

Not sure about 0-60 times, but I caught this video yesterday that saw the steptronic returning better standing quarter times on a drag strip (see from 03:50 onwards).

Still manual for me though.

I'll post a link when my post-count allows

Tony

Avantone · Feb 27th, 2007, 07:11 PM

Hey, 5 posts and here's the link.......

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/0...de00d089ec.htm

Dazmac13 · Feb 27th, 2007, 09:39 PM

i believe it is in auto mode with kickdown. the auto is 0.2sec slower to 60, which if the actual manual times are anything to go by, will be more like 6.8-7.0sec. as said before i nother threads, many mags and online auto companies have achieved 0-60mph in as quick as 6.6sec (pistonheads)

Dazmac13 · Feb 27th, 2007, 09:41 PM

Thats incredible. i can't believe the auto is faster over the quarter mile than the manual!!!!!!!

londonmark · Feb 28th, 2007, 09:37 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Avantone (original)

Hey, 5 posts and here's the link.......

Video - Video car review of the new 2007 MINI Cooper-S.

Avantone, thanks for the link. That is impressive, makes me assume that the 0-62 figure (7.3) is acheived with the normal auto mode. Already have a MCS auto on order for 25th March delivery, so can't wait to get my hands on it.... Cheers, Mark

Jo-Man · Mar 1st, 2007, 10:38 AM

the R53 S auto acheive that with the Sport mode, so the R56 should be the same too!!!

Dazmac13 · Mar 1st, 2007, 11:22 AM

I dont understand how the auto is faster than the manual as it is slower to 60, tho not by much

Fanis · Mar 1st, 2007, 12:34 PM

To get the 0-60mph figures they give is easy with the Auto...just step on the gas pedal!!

Whereas to get the stated figures for the stick you have to really make perfect gear changes..which is very difficult and not repeatable.

Dazmac13 · Mar 1st, 2007, 10:42 PM

which basically means for the average driver the auto is faster

Scrogg · Mar 1st, 2007, 10:45 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Dazmac13 (original)

which basically means for the average driver the auto is faster

Quicker in terms of acceleration, yes, but not faster overall as it weighs more.

Dazmac13 · Mar 1st, 2007, 10:54 PM

but in that quarter mile video the auto car is faster

Scrogg · Mar 1st, 2007, 10:57 PM

Exactly. A quarter mile from a standstill is all about acceleration. If the two cars then continued on to top speed the manual would catch and overtake the auto.

Fanis · Mar 2nd, 2007, 12:03 PM

Correct Scrogg....only if they continue the manual will eventually catch the Auto, after all gearchanges are done (since tha Auto changes gears fatser than an average driver). I did a similar test comparing 2 BMW's 330xi, one Auto, one manual (both 5-speed box)...that Auto is faster when accelerating.

londonmark · Mar 2nd, 2007, 06:55 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Scrogg (original)

Exactly. A quarter mile from a standstill is all about acceleration. If the two cars then continued on to top speed the manual would catch and overtake the auto.

But for everyday driving on our roads, you benefit from having better acceleration. The difference in the top speed is neither here nor there, as you will hardly ever need to use it.

Scrogg · Mar 2nd, 2007, 07:03 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by londonmark (original)

But for everyday driving on our roads, you benefit from having better acceleration. The difference in the top speed is neither here nor there, as you will hardly ever need to use it.

I totally agree, but were talking about two completely different scenarios.

Dazmac13 brought up the standing quarter mile thing, so I was just responding to that part of the discussion.

For everyday use I would be very tempted with an MCS Auto for the very reason you have stated.

Dazmac13 · Mar 2nd, 2007, 09:32 PM

mmmm.....if its faster at accelerating then why the slower 0-60mph??

wayche · Mar 10th, 2007, 02:01 PM

My guess is that has to do with the gear ratios, which are different between the manual and auto boxes. These figs are for the MCS:

Getrag 6sp MT:

Gears I - VI : 3.308 / 2.130 / 1.483 / 1.139 / 0.949 / 0.816
Final Drive: 3.647

Aisin 6sp AT:

Gears I - VI: 4.044 / 2.371 / 1.556 / 1.159 / 0.852 / 0.672
Final Drive: 3.685

Looks like your answer is right there... the autobox has a MUCH taller 1st gear, and the gap gently tapers off in 2nd - 4th. I'm guessing this is what leads to your slower 0-62 time.

As for the 1/4 mile time: The autobox has an ever so slightly longer final drive ratio, and shorter 5th and 6th gears, so I'm guessing that gives it greater legs than the manual once it gets past 4th gear and closer to the 1/4 mile trap. It probably ends up with a higher trap speed as well.

Dazmac13 · Mar 10th, 2007, 03:23 PM

surely a longer 1st and second gear wuld mean that acceleration is theoretically facster and that the only reason its slower in terms of time is becasue you cant hang the revs and then dump the clutch?????

Feb 27th, 2007, 06:35 PM	#1
londonmark MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 26 Offline	R56 MCS Auto 0-62mph figures???? Hi everyone. Does anyone know if the 0-62mph (7.3) in the MCS Auto is achieved by using the paddles, or using normal auto mode?? Cheers, Mark

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Feb 27th, 2007, 07:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
Avantone R56 Cooper S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London, UK Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 79 Offline	Not sure about 0-60 times, but I caught this video yesterday that saw the steptronic returning better standing quarter times on a drag strip (see from 03:50 onwards). Still manual for me though. I'll post a link when my post-count allows Tony

Feb 27th, 2007, 07:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
Avantone R56 Cooper S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London, UK Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 79 Offline	Hey, 5 posts and here's the link....... http://videos.streetfire.net/video/0...de00d089ec.htm

Feb 27th, 2007, 09:39 PM	#4 (permalink)
Dazmac13 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Essex Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 274 Offline	i believe it is in auto mode with kickdown. the auto is 0.2sec slower to 60, which if the actual manual times are anything to go by, will be more like 6.8-7.0sec. as said before i nother threads, many mags and online auto companies have achieved 0-60mph in as quick as 6.6sec (pistonheads)

Feb 27th, 2007, 09:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
Dazmac13 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Essex Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 274 Offline	Thats incredible. i can't believe the auto is faster over the quarter mile than the manual!!!!!!!

Feb 28th, 2007, 09:37 AM	#6 (permalink)
londonmark MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 26 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Avantone (original) Hey, 5 posts and here's the link....... Video - Video car review of the new 2007 MINI Cooper-S. Avantone, thanks for the link. That is impressive, makes me assume that the 0-62 figure (7.3) is acheived with the normal auto mode. Already have a MCS auto on order for 25th March delivery, so can't wait to get my hands on it.... Cheers, Mark

Mar 1st, 2007, 10:38 AM	#7 (permalink)
Jo-Man Jo-Man & White Dolphin Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Sussex Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 217 Offline	the R53 S auto acheive that with the Sport mode, so the R56 should be the same too!!!

Mar 1st, 2007, 11:22 AM	#8 (permalink)
Dazmac13 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Essex Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 274 Offline	I dont understand how the auto is faster than the manual as it is slower to 60, tho not by much

Mar 1st, 2007, 12:34 PM	#9 (permalink)
Fanis MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Athens, Greece Local Time: 05:08 AM Posts: 154 Offline	To get the 0-60mph figures they give is easy with the Auto...just step on the gas pedal!! Whereas to get the stated figures for the stick you have to really make perfect gear changes..which is very difficult and not repeatable.

Mar 1st, 2007, 10:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
Dazmac13 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Essex Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 274 Offline	which basically means for the average driver the auto is faster

Mar 1st, 2007, 10:45 PM	#11 (permalink)
Scrogg Extra 3 Inches Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gloucester Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 16,060 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Dazmac13 (original) which basically means for the average driver the auto is faster Quicker in terms of acceleration, yes, but not faster overall as it weighs more.

Mar 1st, 2007, 10:54 PM	#12 (permalink)
Dazmac13 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Essex Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 274 Offline	but in that quarter mile video the auto car is faster

Mar 1st, 2007, 10:57 PM	#13 (permalink)
Scrogg Extra 3 Inches Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gloucester Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 16,060 Offline	Exactly. A quarter mile from a standstill is all about acceleration. If the two cars then continued on to top speed the manual would catch and overtake the auto.

Mar 2nd, 2007, 12:03 PM	#14 (permalink)
Fanis MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Athens, Greece Local Time: 05:08 AM Posts: 154 Offline	Correct Scrogg....only if they continue the manual will eventually catch the Auto, after all gearchanges are done (since tha Auto changes gears fatser than an average driver). I did a similar test comparing 2 BMW's 330xi, one Auto, one manual (both 5-speed box)...that Auto is faster when accelerating.

Mar 2nd, 2007, 06:55 PM	#15 (permalink)
londonmark MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 26 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Scrogg (original) Exactly. A quarter mile from a standstill is all about acceleration. If the two cars then continued on to top speed the manual would catch and overtake the auto. But for everyday driving on our roads, you benefit from having better acceleration. The difference in the top speed is neither here nor there, as you will hardly ever need to use it.

Mar 2nd, 2007, 07:03 PM	#16 (permalink)
Scrogg Extra 3 Inches Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gloucester Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 16,060 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by londonmark (original) But for everyday driving on our roads, you benefit from having better acceleration. The difference in the top speed is neither here nor there, as you will hardly ever need to use it. I totally agree, but were talking about two completely different scenarios. Dazmac13 brought up the standing quarter mile thing, so I was just responding to that part of the discussion. For everyday use I would be very tempted with an MCS Auto for the very reason you have stated.

Mar 2nd, 2007, 09:32 PM	#17 (permalink)
Dazmac13 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Essex Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 274 Offline	mmmm.....if its faster at accelerating then why the slower 0-60mph??

Mar 10th, 2007, 02:01 PM	#18 (permalink)
wayche MINI2 Newbie Join Date: May 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Local Time: 09:08 PM Posts: 14 Offline	My guess is that has to do with the gear ratios, which are different between the manual and auto boxes. These figs are for the MCS: Getrag 6sp MT: Gears I - VI : 3.308 / 2.130 / 1.483 / 1.139 / 0.949 / 0.816 Final Drive: 3.647 Aisin 6sp AT: Gears I - VI: 4.044 / 2.371 / 1.556 / 1.159 / 0.852 / 0.672 Final Drive: 3.685 Looks like your answer is right there... the autobox has a MUCH taller 1st gear, and the gap gently tapers off in 2nd - 4th. I'm guessing this is what leads to your slower 0-62 time. As for the 1/4 mile time: The autobox has an ever so slightly longer final drive ratio, and shorter 5th and 6th gears, so I'm guessing that gives it greater legs than the manual once it gets past 4th gear and closer to the 1/4 mile trap. It probably ends up with a higher trap speed as well.

Mar 10th, 2007, 03:23 PM	#19 (permalink)
Dazmac13 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Essex Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 274 Offline	surely a longer 1st and second gear wuld mean that acceleration is theoretically facster and that the only reason its slower in terms of time is becasue you cant hang the revs and then dump the clutch?????

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