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MarkW19 · Jun 11th, 2006, 10:14 AM

Is it likely that JCW and GTT etc. will take a long time before they bring out tuning packages for the new 2007 MINI?

And, does anyone think there'll be significant differences on the 2007, ie. will current coilovers/rollbars/seats etc. likely be different and not transferrable etc.?

Paul · Jun 11th, 2006, 12:01 PM

The new one should have a lot to offer, especially as the engine will basically be the same one as used in some Pugs.

Rakey · Jun 11th, 2006, 12:09 PM

http://www.mini2.com/article344-excl...-cooper-s.html

The real question is will the tuners be tuning just the MCS or will they be wanting to tune the MCS JCW?

MarkW19 · Jun 11th, 2006, 12:50 PM

Cheers guys, don't know what to do!! I don't think I can wait until next autumn (at the earliest) though for the new JCW...

As far as I'm concerned, my options are:-

1. Getting a second hand JCW S (or std S and GTT'ing it) after the new models are out, when prices of the older models will no doubt drop.
2. Getting a new 2007 S and tuning it up when GTT have got a package ready. Obviously there's the warranty issue here (especially with it being a brand new car).

I wouldn't buy a new JCW as I feel it's too expensive (£3600 more when GTT can do a 210 conversion for under £1k) either now or on the new model, but the spec I'd want second hand will be quite hard to find I think!! I'd want an '04 facelift Astro Black, full aero kit, MFSW, aircon, colour-coded ideally. Would like it to be a JCW210 but that's gonna be even harder to find! So will probably have to settle for a standard S to the spec I want, and GTT it. But I don't think I'll find one

gramirez · Jun 20th, 2006, 06:41 PM

I think MCS facelift was until 05!,
also Astro Black was available on MC on 05, and on MCS until 06.

Ciao

Guillermo

Bayliner · Aug 3rd, 2006, 04:36 PM

I don't think they'll take a long time...

And as for the suspension, I've heard it has changed. How much I don't know. Handling has been improved. But it still has McPherson front suspension and multi link rear suspension.
I've got some pictures of it....

HObzy · Aug 3rd, 2006, 06:48 PM

Looks VERY similar to the current setup, similar if not same bolt patterns etc - shouldnt be to difficult for Eibach etc to make the changes needed if any. Rear control arms look a bit different.

smc · Aug 4th, 2006, 12:57 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by HObzy

Looks VERY similar to the current setup, similar if not same bolt patterns etc - shouldnt be to difficult for Eibach etc to make the changes needed if any. Rear control arms look a bit different.

Eibach been proven , is BMW considering this as standard suspension ?

Bayliner · Aug 4th, 2006, 03:53 PM

I think the lower rear control arms are made of aluminium....

I have some pictures of the old suspension too...

roland2003 · Aug 18th, 2006, 07:43 AM

Hi Guys,we have a new MCS turbo on order. I think within 24hrs of receiving it it will get some changes.

We will working on new products for this model as soon as it arrives.

Best Regards Roland GT Tuning

I love MINI, Laura · Aug 18th, 2006, 09:06 AM

Good work Roland! Like to see that when its done!

teddybare · Aug 18th, 2006, 07:53 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

Hi Guys,we have a new MCS turbo on order. I think within 24hrs of receiving it it will get some changes.

We will working on new products for this model as soon as it arrives.

Best Regards Roland GT Tuning

now i have a real good feeling about this news from roland....and it just may stop the "if it aint got a SC it wont be any good brigade"

Shorty · Aug 18th, 2006, 09:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

Hi Guys,we have a new MCS turbo on order. I think within 24hrs of receiving it it will get some changes.

We will working on new products for this model as soon as it arrives.

Best Regards Roland GT Tuning

Was going to wait till the Works arrives, but i think I may have changed my mind

rubyredmz3 · Aug 21st, 2006, 07:39 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MarkW19 (original)

1. Getting a second hand JCW S (or std S and GTT'ing it) after the new models are out, when prices of the older models will no doubt drop.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, many people seem to be unimpressed with the new car, at least amongst the current owners community. Resale value always has been strong, and I see the cars as two fairly different characters, rather than one being a natural superior evolution of the other.

Paul · Aug 21st, 2006, 08:51 PM

But market value isn't based on what a sub group of a sub group feel about the car (the really enthusiastic owners who join online communities), it's based on sales and demand of the general public.

MarkW19 · Aug 21st, 2006, 08:53 PM

Prices of the "old" model will go down, that's life (and business).

Root Ginger · Oct 2nd, 2006, 04:55 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Bayliner (original)

I think the lower rear control arms are made of aluminium....

I have some pictures of the old suspension too...

Looking at your pics Bayliner it seems they have beefed up the fron suspension and made the rear suspension a bit flimsy. At least visably anyway. Hopefully the new skinny rear suspension is in fact just as strong but lighter to reduce weight.

Bhozar · Oct 2nd, 2006, 05:24 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

Hi Guys,we have a new MCS turbo on order. I think within 24hrs of receiving it it will get some changes.

We will working on new products for this model as soon as it arrives.

Best Regards Roland GT Tuning

Does that mean youre selling your MCS and no more new shiny things for the current generation?

ttocs · Oct 14th, 2006, 04:14 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Root Ginger (original)

Looking at your pics Bayliner it seems they have beefed up the fron suspension and made the rear suspension a bit flimsy. At least visably anyway. Hopefully the new skinny rear suspension is in fact just as strong but lighter to reduce weight.

From what I read the rear suspension is based on the Works GP rear suspension, just as strong but much lighter.

rentagas · Oct 21st, 2006, 10:58 PM

Dear Father Christmas (2007)

Can i have a 4WD mini cooper s that I'll be able to get 270-300bhp out of if GRS or GTT get hold of it. I've learnt my lesson, not to waste money on "JCW" .

J (RIP)
C (sold out, ?3 £million)
W (garage closed down)

Seriously though all BMW have to do is give us a 4WD drivetrain and chassis and a great car will happen-via aftermarket tuners!

Jun 11th, 2006, 10:14 AM	#1
MarkW19 Grinning Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds Local Time: 05:48 AM Posts: 3,831 Offline	New MINI Tuning Is it likely that JCW and GTT etc. will take a long time before they bring out tuning packages for the new 2007 MINI? And, does anyone think there'll be significant differences on the 2007, ie. will current coilovers/rollbars/seats etc. likely be different and not transferrable etc.?

Jun 11th, 2006, 12:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
Rakey I am not a number!! My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Village Local Time: 05:48 AM Posts: 50,334 Offline	http://www.mini2.com/article344-excl...-cooper-s.html The real question is will the tuners be tuning just the MCS or will they be wanting to tune the MCS JCW? Its only a forum you know!

Jun 20th, 2006, 06:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
gramirez I love my MINI My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Aguascalientes Local Time: 11:48 PM Posts: 272 Offline	hard to find. I think MCS facelift was until 05!, also Astro Black was available on MC on 05, and on MCS until 06. Ciao Guillermo Traveling in my MINI

Aug 3rd, 2006, 04:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
Bayliner MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2006 Local Time: 06:48 AM Posts: 50 Offline	I don't think they'll take a long time... And as for the suspension, I've heard it has changed. How much I don't know. Handling has been improved. But it still has McPherson front suspension and multi link rear suspension. I've got some pictures of it.... Attached Thumbnails

Aug 4th, 2006, 03:53 PM	#9 (permalink)
Bayliner MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2006 Local Time: 06:48 AM Posts: 50 Offline	I think the lower rear control arms are made of aluminium.... I have some pictures of the old suspension too... Attached Thumbnails

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Jun 11th, 2006, 12:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 05:48 AM Posts: 40,555 Offline	The new one should have a lot to offer, especially as the engine will basically be the same one as used in some Pugs.

Jun 11th, 2006, 12:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
MarkW19 Grinning Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds Local Time: 05:48 AM Posts: 3,831 Offline	Cheers guys, don't know what to do!! I don't think I can wait until next autumn (at the earliest) though for the new JCW... As far as I'm concerned, my options are:- 1. Getting a second hand JCW S (or std S and GTT'ing it) after the new models are out, when prices of the older models will no doubt drop. 2. Getting a new 2007 S and tuning it up when GTT have got a package ready. Obviously there's the warranty issue here (especially with it being a brand new car). I wouldn't buy a new JCW as I feel it's too expensive (£3600 more when GTT can do a 210 conversion for under £1k) either now or on the new model, but the spec I'd want second hand will be quite hard to find I think!! I'd want an '04 facelift Astro Black, full aero kit, MFSW, aircon, colour-coded ideally. Would like it to be a JCW210 but that's gonna be even harder to find! So will probably have to settle for a standard S to the spec I want, and GTT it. But I don't think I'll find one

Aug 3rd, 2006, 06:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
HObzy MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Stressville Local Time: 05:48 AM Posts: 1,104 Offline	Looks VERY similar to the current setup, similar if not same bolt patterns etc - shouldnt be to difficult for Eibach etc to make the changes needed if any. Rear control arms look a bit different.

Aug 4th, 2006, 12:57 AM	#8 (permalink)
smc smcc Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Singapore Local Time: 01:48 PM Posts: 300 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by HObzy Looks VERY similar to the current setup, similar if not same bolt patterns etc - shouldnt be to difficult for Eibach etc to make the changes needed if any. Rear control arms look a bit different. Eibach been proven , is BMW considering this as standard suspension ?

Aug 18th, 2006, 07:43 AM	#10 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 05:48 AM Posts: 2,733 Offline	Hi Guys,we have a new MCS turbo on order. I think within 24hrs of receiving it it will get some changes. We will working on new products for this model as soon as it arrives. Best Regards Roland GT Tuning www.gttuning.com

Aug 18th, 2006, 09:06 AM	#11 (permalink)
I love MINI, Laura MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Portsmouth,Hampshire Local Time: 05:48 AM Posts: 3,198 Offline	Good work Roland! Like to see that when its done!

Aug 18th, 2006, 07:53 PM	#12 (permalink)
teddybare MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: liverpool Local Time: 05:48 AM Posts: 72 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original) Hi Guys,we have a new MCS turbo on order. I think within 24hrs of receiving it it will get some changes. We will working on new products for this model as soon as it arrives. Best Regards Roland GT Tuning now i have a real good feeling about this news from roland....and it just may stop the "if it aint got a SC it wont be any good brigade"

Aug 18th, 2006, 09:02 PM	#13 (permalink)
Shorty MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Great Malvern Local Time: 05:48 AM Posts: 1,356 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original) Hi Guys,we have a new MCS turbo on order. I think within 24hrs of receiving it it will get some changes. We will working on new products for this model as soon as it arrives. Best Regards Roland GT Tuning Was going to wait till the Works arrives, but i think I may have changed my mind Last edited by Paul : Aug 19th, 2006 at 05:52 AM.

Aug 21st, 2006, 07:39 PM	#14 (permalink)
rubyredmz3 Mazda3 Visitor Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cary, NC Local Time: 12:48 AM Posts: 14 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MarkW19 (original) 1. Getting a second hand JCW S (or std S and GTT'ing it) after the new models are out, when prices of the older models will no doubt drop. I wouldn't be so sure about that, many people seem to be unimpressed with the new car, at least amongst the current owners community. Resale value always has been strong, and I see the cars as two fairly different characters, rather than one being a natural superior evolution of the other. Minis rule, but so do Mazda3's, thank goodness I'm running in H-stock now though (only gotta deal with the regular Coopers now). . .

Aug 21st, 2006, 08:51 PM	#15 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 05:48 AM Posts: 40,555 Offline	But market value isn't based on what a sub group of a sub group feel about the car (the really enthusiastic owners who join online communities), it's based on sales and demand of the general public.

Aug 21st, 2006, 08:53 PM	#16 (permalink)
MarkW19 Grinning Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds Local Time: 05:48 AM Posts: 3,831 Offline	Prices of the "old" model will go down, that's life (and business).

Oct 2nd, 2006, 04:55 PM	#17 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 05:48 AM Posts: 4,673 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Bayliner (original) I think the lower rear control arms are made of aluminium.... I have some pictures of the old suspension too... Looking at your pics Bayliner it seems they have beefed up the fron suspension and made the rear suspension a bit flimsy. At least visably anyway. Hopefully the new skinny rear suspension is in fact just as strong but lighter to reduce weight. It was acceptable in the 80's

Oct 2nd, 2006, 05:24 PM	#18 (permalink)
Bhozar Overly excited!! My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Worcestershire Local Time: 05:48 AM Posts: 1,174 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original) Hi Guys,we have a new MCS turbo on order. I think within 24hrs of receiving it it will get some changes. We will working on new products for this model as soon as it arrives. Best Regards Roland GT Tuning Does that mean youre selling your MCS and no more new shiny things for the current generation?

Oct 14th, 2006, 04:14 PM	#19 (permalink)
ttocs MINI2 Master Join Date: Sep 2006 Local Time: 05:48 AM Posts: 3,677 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Root Ginger (original) Looking at your pics Bayliner it seems they have beefed up the fron suspension and made the rear suspension a bit flimsy. At least visably anyway. Hopefully the new skinny rear suspension is in fact just as strong but lighter to reduce weight. From what I read the rear suspension is based on the Works GP rear suspension, just as strong but much lighter.

Oct 21st, 2006, 10:58 PM	#20 (permalink)
rentagas MINI2 Master Join Date: Mar 2004 Local Time: 05:48 AM Posts: 1,426 Offline	Dear Father Christmas (2007) Can i have a 4WD mini cooper s that I'll be able to get 270-300bhp out of if GRS or GTT get hold of it. I've learnt my lesson, not to waste money on "JCW" . J (RIP) C (sold out, ?3 £million) W (garage closed down) Seriously though all BMW have to do is give us a 4WD drivetrain and chassis and a great car will happen-via aftermarket tuners!

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