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Rakey · Aug 7th, 2006, 01:38 PM

Is it really so alien to have a turbo MINI?

Why are some so opposed to loosing the supercharger, which if anything is more alien to the MINI than a turbo?

From what I have read about turbos on here, the turbo is more efficent and economical for a car to have? Its easier to tune a turbo car and more reliable?

The ERA mini is still one of the most collectable minis, and are very rare, many owners of standard minis would drop in a turbo metro engine for more power, so aren't MINI now just doing what mini owners have wanted for a long time?

Root Ginger · Aug 7th, 2006, 01:56 PM

True, but I think people like the fact that superchargers are a rare commodity on the road and the noise they produce is unique.

The new MINI does appear, on the face of it, to be a slightly watered down version in order to meet regulations and improve economy but the truth won't be known until we can get our hands on one to compare.

Paul · Aug 7th, 2006, 01:58 PM

The current MINI design was also watered down and altered to meet regulations, but we never saw the "MINI that would be" so cant grumble about the lack of indicators in the a pillars, or the light configurations not being what they should be and so on.

Rakey · Aug 7th, 2006, 01:59 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by RootGinger

True, but I think people like the fact that superchargers are a rare commodity on the road and the noise they produce is unique.

The new MINI does appear, on the face of it, to be a slightly watered down version in order to meet regulations and improve economy but the truth won't be known until we can get our hands on one to compare.

but isn't the rarity due to the fact that compared to a turbo that they are high maintainence and not as reliable or efficent?

Just can't get my head round why some are so anti the turbo.

Also how they can say that its part of the MINI character, when in fact the turbo is more heritage related than the supercharger?

Rakey · Aug 7th, 2006, 02:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett

The current MINI design was also watered down and altered to meet regulations, but we never saw the "MINI that would be" so cant grumble about the lack of indicators in the a pillars, or the light configurations not being what they should be and so on.

good points Paul, if consumders saw all the features that are pre-production products then they would ask why they got the lower spec model.

In everything we buy in todays world features and concepts get dropped due to practicality, cost, and mass market appeal.

minisoopercooper · Aug 7th, 2006, 02:04 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey

good points Paul, if consumders saw all the features that are pre-production products then they would ask why they got the lower spec model.

especially the powder blue!

God, I hope they finally get round to bringing that out! I WANT IT NOW. And we need more flat colours!

Paul · Aug 7th, 2006, 02:06 PM

Oxygen Blue is not too far from that, so I've heard. I hope so for sure.

minisoopercooper · Aug 7th, 2006, 02:09 PM

Lets hope it's one of the things that are confirmed on the 14th then

Goonery · Aug 7th, 2006, 02:43 PM

There was an H reg ERA Mini used as an office runabout, It was Nightfire red with sort of porrage coloured seats and a wood dash that looked like quality plywood., used to eat drive shaft joints every 1000 miles or so.Interesting performance and handling on wet surfaces too

Rakey · Aug 7th, 2006, 03:20 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Goonery

There was an H reg ERA Mini used as an office runabout, It was Nightfire red with sort of porrage coloured seats and a wood dash that looked like quality plywood., used to eat drive shaft joints every 1000 miles or so.Interesting performance and handling on wet surfaces too

so hopefully some lessons learnt from history too

teddybare · Aug 7th, 2006, 04:02 PM

fast forward a few months... you start hearing storys on mini2 of standard cooper s being left slightly behind at the traffic lights by the new generation s...you wont hear a peep about turbos not being as good

Rakey · Aug 7th, 2006, 04:19 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by teddybare

fast forward a few months... you start hearing storys on mini2 of standard cooper s being left slightly behind at the traffic lights by the new generation s...you wont hear a peep about turbos not being as good

especially if it is a torque filled as reports have indicated

Root Ginger · Aug 7th, 2006, 05:34 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett

The current MINI design was also watered down and altered to meet regulations, but we never saw the "MINI that would be" so cant grumble about the lack of indicators in the a pillars, or the light configurations not being what they should be and so on.

A very good point Paul but this is watered down from a production model. The one thing that worries me is the electric power steering. I've yet to drive a car with electric power steering that offers proper feel. This is the one thing I feel lets the CTR down and I hope it isn't the same in the new MINI. However I was sceptical that BMW could get the current MINI to handle like the classic and they did. I really hope they pull this one off.

The turbo doesn't bother me in the slightest the figures look good and the only thing I'll miss is the supercharger whine which is reminiscent of the classics gearbox whine

Paul · Aug 7th, 2006, 05:37 PM

At slow speeds on the tight slalom section it felt very good, very "MINI" in weight and feel. But we do not know what configuration these cars had. They had no "sports" buttons, but maybe they were in "sports" mode by default, surprise me if not.

Root Ginger · Aug 7th, 2006, 05:40 PM

What happened to those 8 spoke (or 10) wheels that were on one of the original photos of the MINI before it was released. It was an official BMW image of a blue car with white wheels. Can't find it now.

Paul · Aug 7th, 2006, 05:42 PM

I think the company went bust if I recall correctly.

Root Ginger · Aug 7th, 2006, 05:48 PM

That would explain it. I remember that was one of the first official images in the MINI2 gallery

You still see it pop up from time to time in magazine articles and adverts.

Paul · Aug 7th, 2006, 05:49 PM

Yep, still being used today!

Root Ginger · Aug 7th, 2006, 05:52 PM

...and of course the odd Auto Express photoshop

JG.26 · Aug 9th, 2006, 07:27 PM

I always felt the current BMW MINI has no real connection with the old BMC, Leyland, Rover Mini etc. When I was looking for a performance hatch I chose the S as it was supercharged

which is different in todays age. Turbo's do the job and are efficient but are dull, had Audi turbo's etc in the past. Always felt a proper performance car should be supercharged not turbocharged. If I want a turbocharged car I will buy a Volvo

Aug 7th, 2006, 01:38 PM	#1
Rakey I am not a number!! My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Village Local Time: 04:54 PM Posts: 50,334 Offline	History Repeating itself? Is it really so alien to have a turbo MINI? Why are some so opposed to loosing the supercharger, which if anything is more alien to the MINI than a turbo? From what I have read about turbos on here, the turbo is more efficent and economical for a car to have? Its easier to tune a turbo car and more reliable? The ERA mini is still one of the most collectable minis, and are very rare, many owners of standard minis would drop in a turbo metro engine for more power, so aren't MINI now just doing what mini owners have wanted for a long time? Its only a forum you know!

Aug 7th, 2006, 01:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 04:54 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	True, but I think people like the fact that superchargers are a rare commodity on the road and the noise they produce is unique. The new MINI does appear, on the face of it, to be a slightly watered down version in order to meet regulations and improve economy but the truth won't be known until we can get our hands on one to compare. It was acceptable in the 80's

Aug 7th, 2006, 01:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
Rakey I am not a number!! My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Village Local Time: 04:54 PM Posts: 50,334 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by RootGinger True, but I think people like the fact that superchargers are a rare commodity on the road and the noise they produce is unique. The new MINI does appear, on the face of it, to be a slightly watered down version in order to meet regulations and improve economy but the truth won't be known until we can get our hands on one to compare. but isn't the rarity due to the fact that compared to a turbo that they are high maintainence and not as reliable or efficent? Just can't get my head round why some are so anti the turbo. Also how they can say that its part of the MINI character, when in fact the turbo is more heritage related than the supercharger? Its only a forum you know!

Aug 7th, 2006, 02:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
Rakey I am not a number!! My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Village Local Time: 04:54 PM Posts: 50,334 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett The current MINI design was also watered down and altered to meet regulations, but we never saw the "MINI that would be" so cant grumble about the lack of indicators in the a pillars, or the light configurations not being what they should be and so on. good points Paul, if consumders saw all the features that are pre-production products then they would ask why they got the lower spec model. In everything we buy in todays world features and concepts get dropped due to practicality, cost, and mass market appeal. Its only a forum you know!

Aug 7th, 2006, 02:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
minisoopercooper Me again Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bristol Local Time: 04:54 PM Posts: 19,523 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey good points Paul, if consumders saw all the features that are pre-production products then they would ask why they got the lower spec model. especially the powder blue! God, I hope they finally get round to bringing that out! I WANT IT NOW. And we need more flat colours! ↑↑↑ - Click me for the event of the year. - ↑↑↑

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Aug 7th, 2006, 01:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 04:54 PM Posts: 40,555 Offline	The current MINI design was also watered down and altered to meet regulations, but we never saw the "MINI that would be" so cant grumble about the lack of indicators in the a pillars, or the light configurations not being what they should be and so on.

Aug 7th, 2006, 02:06 PM	#7 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 04:54 PM Posts: 40,555 Offline	Oxygen Blue is not too far from that, so I've heard. I hope so for sure.

Aug 7th, 2006, 02:09 PM	#8 (permalink)
minisoopercooper Me again Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bristol Local Time: 04:54 PM Posts: 19,523 Offline	Lets hope it's one of the things that are confirmed on the 14th then ↑↑↑ - Click me for the event of the year. - ↑↑↑

Aug 7th, 2006, 02:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
Goonery Time for CHANGE ! My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2003 Local Time: 04:54 PM Posts: 13,534 Offline	There was an H reg ERA Mini used as an office runabout, It was Nightfire red with sort of porrage coloured seats and a wood dash that looked like quality plywood., used to eat drive shaft joints every 1000 miles or so.Interesting performance and handling on wet surfaces too

Aug 7th, 2006, 03:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
Rakey I am not a number!! My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Village Local Time: 04:54 PM Posts: 50,334 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Goonery There was an H reg ERA Mini used as an office runabout, It was Nightfire red with sort of porrage coloured seats and a wood dash that looked like quality plywood., used to eat drive shaft joints every 1000 miles or so.Interesting performance and handling on wet surfaces too so hopefully some lessons learnt from history too Its only a forum you know!

Aug 7th, 2006, 04:02 PM	#11 (permalink)
teddybare MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: liverpool Local Time: 04:54 PM Posts: 72 Offline	fast forward a few months... you start hearing storys on mini2 of standard cooper s being left slightly behind at the traffic lights by the new generation s...you wont hear a peep about turbos not being as good

Aug 7th, 2006, 04:19 PM	#12 (permalink)
Rakey I am not a number!! My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Village Local Time: 04:54 PM Posts: 50,334 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by teddybare fast forward a few months... you start hearing storys on mini2 of standard cooper s being left slightly behind at the traffic lights by the new generation s...you wont hear a peep about turbos not being as good especially if it is a torque filled as reports have indicated Its only a forum you know!

Aug 7th, 2006, 05:34 PM	#13 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 04:54 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett The current MINI design was also watered down and altered to meet regulations, but we never saw the "MINI that would be" so cant grumble about the lack of indicators in the a pillars, or the light configurations not being what they should be and so on. A very good point Paul but this is watered down from a production model. The one thing that worries me is the electric power steering. I've yet to drive a car with electric power steering that offers proper feel. This is the one thing I feel lets the CTR down and I hope it isn't the same in the new MINI. However I was sceptical that BMW could get the current MINI to handle like the classic and they did. I really hope they pull this one off. The turbo doesn't bother me in the slightest the figures look good and the only thing I'll miss is the supercharger whine which is reminiscent of the classics gearbox whine It was acceptable in the 80's

Aug 7th, 2006, 05:37 PM	#14 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 04:54 PM Posts: 40,555 Offline	At slow speeds on the tight slalom section it felt very good, very "MINI" in weight and feel. But we do not know what configuration these cars had. They had no "sports" buttons, but maybe they were in "sports" mode by default, surprise me if not.

Aug 7th, 2006, 05:40 PM	#15 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 04:54 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	What happened to those 8 spoke (or 10) wheels that were on one of the original photos of the MINI before it was released. It was an official BMW image of a blue car with white wheels. Can't find it now. It was acceptable in the 80's

Aug 7th, 2006, 05:42 PM	#16 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 04:54 PM Posts: 40,555 Offline	I think the company went bust if I recall correctly.

Aug 7th, 2006, 05:48 PM	#17 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 04:54 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	That would explain it. I remember that was one of the first official images in the MINI2 gallery You still see it pop up from time to time in magazine articles and adverts. It was acceptable in the 80's

Aug 7th, 2006, 05:49 PM	#18 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 04:54 PM Posts: 40,555 Offline	Yep, still being used today!

Aug 7th, 2006, 05:52 PM	#19 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 04:54 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	...and of course the odd Auto Express photoshop It was acceptable in the 80's

Aug 9th, 2006, 07:27 PM	#20 (permalink)
JG.26 MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Virtual World Local Time: 04:54 PM Posts: 1,063 Offline	I always felt the current BMW MINI has no real connection with the old BMC, Leyland, Rover Mini etc. When I was looking for a performance hatch I chose the S as it was supercharged which is different in todays age. Turbo's do the job and are efficient but are dull, had Audi turbo's etc in the past. Always felt a proper performance car should be supercharged not turbocharged. If I want a turbocharged car I will buy a Volvo

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