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MrMini748 · Jan 31st, 2007, 10:02 PM

How long before someone puts a noisy dump valve on the R56's turbo... any bets? :P

dsakko · Jan 31st, 2007, 10:36 PM

NOOOOOO! NOT A FLANGE!!!!!!!!

Whoa! Sorry - just woke up from a nightmare....

Looking at that second photo brings back some repressed memories of the Classic Mini exhausts. Anyone who's had one with the stock cast manifold knows what I'm talking about...

bugiz · Jan 31st, 2007, 11:07 PM

yea... read the same review... they say it's by Garrett.. they can't be wrong..
the GTi and the Volvo C30 T5 uses the KKK while theR56 uses Garrett.. according to them

Ryephile · Feb 1st, 2007, 12:12 AM

It's the same article they say in the specs that the GTI is running 26.1psi of boost, and the R56 has electrohydraulic steering; the first of which is not likely, the second of which is totally false. Not a credible write-up in the technical accuracy department.

msh441 · Feb 1st, 2007, 09:08 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by bugiz (original)

yea... read the same review... they say it's by Garrett.. they can't be wrong..
the GTi and the Volvo C30 T5 uses the KKK while theR56 uses Garrett.. according to them

Yeah. That was the very article that made me want to ask the question again...

...I was hoping by now someone in Europe would have taken a close enough look at the turbo and pulled the part number off it (or better yet seen the word "Garrett" or somthing printed on the side), or spoken with their local parts guy to correctly determine the manufacturer.

AlexF2003 · Feb 12th, 2007, 11:11 AM

The turbo I have seen is a KKK unit!

The numbers are:

grosse/Kunds-NR : 75556970-03

Lader-NR : HK7310010225 008

Ausf-NR : 5303 950 0073

You might be surprised how the waste gate is controlled... its not boost that opens the valve! Vacuum is used to hold it shut as naturally its sprung open.

Alex

Maaij · Feb 13th, 2007, 08:54 AM

The turbo is a Garrett: 11:6-psi (13:8-psi overboost)

AlexF2003 · Feb 13th, 2007, 01:14 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Maaij (original)

The turbo is a Garrett: 11:6-psi (13:8-psi overboost)

Not calling you wrong but the engine I have stripped is a BW KKK!!

So unless they are using 2 suppliers one of us is wrong!

Where have you seen the Garrett? on your car? at BMW group academt UK?

Alex

Ryephile · Feb 13th, 2007, 02:15 PM

From the pictures I've seen, the turbo looks to be a Borg Warner, like AlexF2003 says.

--->AlexF2003: Have you taken any measurements of the turbo itself? [inducer and exducer diameters for compressor and turbine wheels; housing A/R's?]

Maaij · Feb 13th, 2007, 04:19 PM

@AlexF2003, first I must say I have zero experience with turbo motors.
I only read it @motoringfile:
MotoringFile » Archive » MotoringFile 2007 MINI Q&A: The Answers

Quote:

Reader: msh441; Who makes the turbo for the R56S MINI/PSA engine? Model or part number?
MF: Garrett: 11:6-psi (13:8-psi overboost)

AlexF2003 · Feb 13th, 2007, 08:02 PM

arr ok Maaij ! - I was hoping you'd seen a few - I've only seen two and only 1 in detail and that engine is a fairly early one

"Have you taken any measurements of the turbo itself? [inducer and exducer diameters for compressor and turbine wheels; housing A/R's?]"

nope - but I can do if you like... there doesn't seem to be any AR info on the outer casing but thats not that uncommon.

Alex

msh441 · Feb 19th, 2007, 06:43 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Maaij (original)

@AlexF2003, first I must say I have zero experience with turbo motors.
I only read it @motoringfile:
MotoringFile » Archive » MotoringFile 2007 MINI Q&A: The Answers

Yes... and I kinda think MotoringFile (as reliable as they are) are just repeating what Winding Road stated.

It wouldn't be completely unheard of to have a couple different manufacturers for the same PSA twin scroll design. I just was hoping for some hard factual info backed up by part numbers and such (Thanks AlexF2003). Before I would even consider any type of tuning or add ons for the new car I want to know what's on there as stock.

gabe · Feb 19th, 2007, 12:15 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by msh441 (original)

Yes... and I kinda think MotoringFile (as reliable as they are) are just repeating what Winding Road stated.

I believe it's a Borg Warner KKK from what I remember from the official R56 launch event. The Garrett thing was told to me by someone also at the event and then was in Winding Road. However I'm pretty sure that is incorrect.

msh441 · Feb 27th, 2007, 06:37 AM

Yep.

3-for-3 of the R56S cars I've seen this week were clearly badged as KKK units.

MotoringFile and Winding Road are indead incorrect unless MINI is getting them from multiple suppliers.

AlexF2003 · Mar 6th, 2007, 10:32 AM

The diesel lump has a garrett... could that be the misunderstanding?!

Jan 31st, 2007, 10:36 PM	#22 (permalink)
dsakko MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Adelaide, S.A. Local Time: 04:28 PM Posts: 720 Offline	NOOOOOO! NOT A FLANGE!!!!!!!! Whoa! Sorry - just woke up from a nightmare.... Looking at that second photo brings back some repressed memories of the Classic Mini exhausts. Anyone who's had one with the stock cast manifold knows what I'm talking about... Feb 02 R50

Feb 1st, 2007, 09:08 AM	#25 (permalink)
msh441 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pacific NW Local Time: 11:58 PM Posts: 439 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by bugiz (original) yea... read the same review... they say it's by Garrett.. they can't be wrong.. the GTi and the Volvo C30 T5 uses the KKK while theR56 uses Garrett.. according to them Yeah. That was the very article that made me want to ask the question again... ...I was hoping by now someone in Europe would have taken a close enough look at the turbo and pulled the part number off it (or better yet seen the word "Garrett" or somthing printed on the side), or spoken with their local parts guy to correctly determine the manufacturer. Founding member of R56 Anonymous: "Hello. My name is Mike. I'm a driving enthusiast... and I still like the R56"

Feb 12th, 2007, 11:11 AM	#26 (permalink)
AlexF2003 AFRacing My Classifieds Join Date: May 2006 Location: Newbury Local Time: 07:58 AM Posts: 257 Offline	The turbo I have seen is a KKK unit! The numbers are: grosse/Kunds-NR : 75556970-03 Lader-NR : HK7310010225 008 Ausf-NR : 5303 950 0073 You might be surprised how the waste gate is controlled... its not boost that opens the valve! Vacuum is used to hold it shut as naturally its sprung open. Alex Alex F - AFRacing LTD

Feb 13th, 2007, 01:14 PM	#28 (permalink)
AlexF2003 AFRacing My Classifieds Join Date: May 2006 Location: Newbury Local Time: 07:58 AM Posts: 257 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Maaij (original) The turbo is a Garrett: 11:6-psi (13:8-psi overboost) Not calling you wrong but the engine I have stripped is a BW KKK!! So unless they are using 2 suppliers one of us is wrong! Where have you seen the Garrett? on your car? at BMW group academt UK? Alex Alex F - AFRacing LTD

Feb 13th, 2007, 08:02 PM	#31 (permalink)
AlexF2003 AFRacing My Classifieds Join Date: May 2006 Location: Newbury Local Time: 07:58 AM Posts: 257 Offline	arr ok Maaij ! - I was hoping you'd seen a few - I've only seen two and only 1 in detail and that engine is a fairly early one "Have you taken any measurements of the turbo itself? [inducer and exducer diameters for compressor and turbine wheels; housing A/R's?]" nope - but I can do if you like... there doesn't seem to be any AR info on the outer casing but thats not that uncommon. Alex Alex F - AFRacing LTD Last edited by AlexF2003 : Feb 13th, 2007 at 08:03 PM. Reason: didnt say what I meant to 1st attempt!

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Jan 31st, 2007, 11:07 PM	#23 (permalink)
bugiz R56 Nut Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 04:58 PM Posts: 338 Offline	yea... read the same review... they say it's by Garrett.. they can't be wrong.. the GTi and the Volvo C30 T5 uses the KKK while theR56 uses Garrett.. according to them

Feb 1st, 2007, 12:12 AM	#24 (permalink)
Ryephile Deals Gap Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Metro-Detroit Local Time: 02:58 AM Posts: 425 Offline	It's the same article they say in the specs that the GTI is running 26.1psi of boost, and the R56 has electrohydraulic steering; the first of which is not likely, the second of which is totally false. Not a credible write-up in the technical accuracy department.

Feb 13th, 2007, 08:54 AM	#27 (permalink)
Maaij MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Local Time: 06:58 AM Posts: 301 Offline	The turbo is a Garrett: 11:6-psi (13:8-psi overboost)

Feb 13th, 2007, 02:15 PM	#29 (permalink)
Ryephile Deals Gap Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Metro-Detroit Local Time: 02:58 AM Posts: 425 Offline	From the pictures I've seen, the turbo looks to be a Borg Warner, like AlexF2003 says. --->AlexF2003: Have you taken any measurements of the turbo itself? [inducer and exducer diameters for compressor and turbine wheels; housing A/R's?]

Feb 13th, 2007, 04:19 PM	#30 (permalink)
Maaij MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Local Time: 06:58 AM Posts: 301 Offline	@AlexF2003, first I must say I have zero experience with turbo motors. I only read it @motoringfile: MotoringFile » Archive » MotoringFile 2007 MINI Q&A: The Answers Quote: Reader: msh441; Who makes the turbo for the R56S MINI/PSA engine? Model or part number? MF: Garrett: 11:6-psi (13:8-psi overboost)

Feb 19th, 2007, 06:43 AM	#32 (permalink)
msh441 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pacific NW Local Time: 11:58 PM Posts: 439 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Maaij (original) @AlexF2003, first I must say I have zero experience with turbo motors. I only read it @motoringfile: MotoringFile » Archive » MotoringFile 2007 MINI Q&A: The Answers Yes... and I kinda think MotoringFile (as reliable as they are) are just repeating what Winding Road stated. It wouldn't be completely unheard of to have a couple different manufacturers for the same PSA twin scroll design. I just was hoping for some hard factual info backed up by part numbers and such (Thanks AlexF2003). Before I would even consider any type of tuning or add ons for the new car I want to know what's on there as stock. Founding member of R56 Anonymous: "Hello. My name is Mike. I'm a driving enthusiast... and I still like the R56"

Feb 19th, 2007, 12:15 PM	#33 (permalink)
gabe MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, USA Local Time: 01:58 AM Posts: 280 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by msh441 (original) Yes... and I kinda think MotoringFile (as reliable as they are) are just repeating what Winding Road stated. I believe it's a Borg Warner KKK from what I remember from the official R56 launch event. The Garrett thing was told to me by someone also at the event and then was in Winding Road. However I'm pretty sure that is incorrect.

Feb 27th, 2007, 06:37 AM	#34 (permalink)
msh441 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pacific NW Local Time: 11:58 PM Posts: 439 Offline	Yep. 3-for-3 of the R56S cars I've seen this week were clearly badged as KKK units. MotoringFile and Winding Road are indead incorrect unless MINI is getting them from multiple suppliers. Founding member of R56 Anonymous: "Hello. My name is Mike. I'm a driving enthusiast... and I still like the R56"

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Mar 6th, 2007, 10:32 AM	#35 (permalink)
AlexF2003 AFRacing My Classifieds Join Date: May 2006 Location: Newbury Local Time: 07:58 AM Posts: 257 Offline	The diesel lump has a garrett... could that be the misunderstanding?! Alex F - AFRacing LTD

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