[scottp7]

Hi people, has anyone got an idea what the fastest upgrade will be for the new R56. I'd like it to be something to be like 0-60mph in 4-5 secs but just wondered if any of you had any info on the turbos that are due to be released. Would be nice if someone could bring out a turbo that would make the mini capable of doing that

Please reply if you have any rumours or info about future turbo's

Cheers

[Olly.]

Someone may well bring out a turbo big enough to achieve the sort of stats your after but the engine and gearbox would more likely give up way before it gets close to that sort of power.

Your buying the wrong car if you want that sort of performance IMO.

[GR33NIE]

Your struggle to get under 6secs 0-60 with a front wheel drive car, something like an impretza or evo might get you those figures

[goodingm]

probably pretty pointless as well unless you have AWD , be hard to keep it in a straight line or get the power down without wheelspin.

[PGN-1]

Lets go for a different approach, I wonder how much power can be taken from Cooper sans the turbo.
Ive read 140 has been achieved quite easyly from old one, more from this new more sophisticated one?

[Richard Crofts]

I would think that reliably that you will still be looking at 140 ish maybe straying to 150. Its all about what stuff is on the engine and not how sophisticated it is. I think the internals will be stronger but the need for reliability will still keep the overall power recomended to around the 140-150 mark.

[popey]

I had a fiat coupe turbo that was front wheel drive. It was 220 BHP standard but with a lot of cash and new everything it was up to 300 BHP. But that was a 2.0 20V Turbo.

However my point is that even a heaver car like the fiat coupe couldn’t get the power down to take full advantage. My new MCS is on order and think I will limit my self to a ECU remap. 175 BHP is very good as standard… I cant wait

My new MCS Spec

Laser Blue
Lea Punch Carbon Black Full Leather
Chili Pack
3 Spoke Sport st wheel
17” Crown spoke alloys
comfort access
floor mats
pass seat height adjust
Front fog lights
Bi-Xenon Headlights
Auto Air Con
Computer
Interior light pack
Sat Nav
Sports suspension
Multifunction st wheel
Chrome line interior
Visibility Pack
Roof in body colour
Darkened rear glass
Auto dim interior mirror
Colour line grey
Anthracite roof lining
Interior trim piano black
Rain sensors and lights on
TV Function
---- External chrome line (just added not included in price below)

TLC
Full colour coding around lower bumpers (Dealer Fit)

TOTAL £22,295

[Will_'S']

my dads got an original quattro turbo like the rally ones its got 250bhp but to get that its got a big ass turbo which if comes off boost will give an enormous amount of lag which is why the modern audis use bi turbo a small turbo coupled with a big turbo to solve this problem which is what you'll get trying to get that sort of power out of a mini with a single turbo.

[loomx]

There seems to be many misunderstandings on this forum about turbos.

Lag isnt at what point the turbo kicks in, this is called boost threshhold. Lag is the time it takes for the intake pipes to be filled up with air from when the throttle is press and the turbo is in range for boost.
Many bigger turbos are capable of very little lag.

I have also read alot of times on here about people wanting to use the scoop to cool the turbo... A turbo shouldnt be cooled because this will actually increase lag and boost threshhold. this is becuase the hotter the turbo the faster the exhaust gasses run, therefore quicker the spool up, you can buy kits to actually keep the heat in the turbo. You only want to cool the air coming out of the turbo, hence use of intercoolers.

Also there are many other turbos that use the twin scroll technology, Evos use the same technology. You are not going to loose driveablity unless you get a turbo too big for the engine, for example a T4 size turbo is very likely to be way to big, there are many turbos that are larger and will give good driveability and performance, a GT28R is will probably hit full boost between 2-3000rpm and give little lag, due to a roller bearing set up, but as said before a custom manifold and downpipe will be needed.

Also just because its FWD and will have alot of power doesnt mean it will be hard to drive. there are many things that affect that, diff, tyres, suspension set up. I have a rover coupe turbo with 248bhp (dyno proven) and that put the power down fantastically with barly any wheel spin (uses a torsen diff) and i know of people running more and there still perfectly drivable.

If you have a bigger turbo as long as you actually drive the car properly there will be no loss in drivability, just make sure the turbos in range.

[Ant FR]

Sorry to break it to you guys but the new Mini 1.6 T is actually very very hard to get power gains out of.

There was an artical in autoexpress about this very subject and BMW admit that they actively encouraged modding on the originla BMW MCS, and that that engine could take tuning very easily.

However they say that the new efficiaent engine is already pushed very close to its limits at 170bhp, they admit it is quite a challenge for them to get up to the required 200-210 for the new works model. It seems that the engine is just a little too "efficient".

The other thing is, with the Turbo in a Mini shell you will see other downsides, Heat will be one and dissipation of that heat. I am not sure where the intercoolers are on the new mini, i would assume its some sort of side mount in the wheel arch like most of the VAGS. Also what type of Turbo is it and again am i right in assuming the turbo is between the bulk head.

But all must remember when an engine is released very well tuned, it is har to get much more out of it on the cheap. I doubt you will see as many cheap mods as you did on the old supercharged unit.

[Olly.]

The intercooler is at the bottom of the bumper in the front grille I believe.

[Paul]

The (little) turbo is at the front, the intercooler is behind the lower front grille.

[Ant FR]

well thats not so bad as the intercooler will probably need upgrading to increase potential performance. Would be nice to see how much space there is aroud that turbo as well

[Ryephile]

I have a question I haven't seen yet. Current new R56 MCS owners can help!

What is the fuel cut [redline] of the new turbo engine? I see the red segments on the tachometer start at 6,500RPM, but want to find out at what RPM the fuel cut occurs.

Thanks!
Ryan

[sixblade]

I severely doubt we are at the full potential of this engine. I have already read a few times that the block is already sleeved, so that opens up some potential. Only time will tell what this engine is capable of.

[Dazmac13]

Quote: Originally Posted by popey (original)

I had a fiat coupe turbo that was front wheel drive. It was 220 BHP standard but with a lot of cash and new everything it was up to 300 BHP. But that was a 2.0 20V Turbo.

However my point is that even a heaver car like the fiat coupe couldn’t get the power down to take full advantage. My new MCS is on order and think I will limit my self to a ECU remap. 175 BHP is very good as standard… I cant wait

My new MCS Spec

Laser Blue
Lea Punch Carbon Black Full Leather
Chili Pack
3 Spoke Sport st wheel
17” Crown spoke alloys
comfort access
floor mats
pass seat height adjust
Front fog lights
Bi-Xenon Headlights
Auto Air Con
Computer
Interior light pack
Sat Nav
Sports suspension
Multifunction st wheel
Chrome line interior
Visibility Pack
Roof in body colour
Darkened rear glass
Auto dim interior mirror
Colour line grey
Anthracite roof lining
Interior trim piano black
Rain sensors and lights on
TV Function
---- External chrome line (just added not included in price below)

TLC
Full colour coding around lower bumpers (Dealer Fit)

TOTAL £22,295

Does that price include all the on the road charges like Delivery, fuel, tax etc because at 1st glance that seems a really gd price considering you've got every piece of kit bar bluetooth and hifi????

[Ryephile]

Quote: Originally Posted by sixblade (original)

I severely doubt we are at the full potential of this engine. I have already read a few times that the block is already sleeved, so that opens up some potential. Only time will tell what this engine is capable of.

What made you think the MCS R56 engine is anywhere close to full potential? We don't even know what boost level it's running at redline, let alone know what redline is!

[sixblade]

That was towards Ant fr sorry, I know there is so much potenial in this engine, its just waiting to get tapped

[Ryephile]

Quote: Originally Posted by sixblade (original)

That was towards Ant fr sorry, I know there is so much potenial in this engine, its just waiting to get tapped

Sorry, didn't mean to snip at you, I think we're in total agreement that the Prince engine will have good potential. If I had just one wish with this engine, it would be lower compression pistons. That's going to hurt when I get the itch for power and I can't turn up the boost very much. The DI only quenches knock so much!

To Ant FR---> the intercooler will most likely not be the first area in need of upgrading...nor the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th. The turbo, ECU, pistons, head gasket, exhaust, and intake will all need changing most likely before the intercooler is a marked restriction. That's just an initial guess however, until the tuners in the 'states get a hold of the car and find out for sure.

[sixblade]

I completely agree with you man.

The thing that really has me fiending for more power out of this engine is that my 1.6 liter 16 valve mr2 with a supercharger on it pushing maybe just maybe 10psi is about 150hp, you cant even begin to tell me with 18 years of technological advancements in engines that we are only squeaking out 25 extra horses...