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MJS · Apr 19th, 2008, 02:58 PM

I've just been trying to drive dynamically and only got 10.7 average mpg,
does this count

Think if I didn't see the funny side, I would probably cry....

caesar · Apr 19th, 2008, 06:01 PM

Well MJS at least you have a sense of humour after this frustrating disappointment

Returning to the content of the Thumbnails ......strangely I have noticed with my MCS that if it's been parked on the driveway leading to the garage for a few hours, then started and parked immediately inside the garage overnight ....there is a good chance the noise will occur the next morning !

However if it's driven a few miles and then parked overnight in the garage it's OK next morning.

The Type-R was the same if started then parked in the garage overnight, but did not get the MCS 'noise' in the morning......instead the engine would sound and feel rough for about 5 minutes.

The dealer said it was due to the automatic choke coming into operation and the cylinders not having time to burn the fuel, consequently next morning on start up the engine was partly flooded.

This might have something to do with what our German writer is referring to in the thumbnails.

caesar · Apr 19th, 2008, 06:39 PM

MJS

I should have added .......things could have been worse the replacement sun-roof only whistled but did not leak

fbirch · Apr 20th, 2008, 05:55 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MJS (original)

I've just been trying to drive dynamically and only got 10.7 average mpg,
does this count

Think if I didn't see the funny side, I would probably cry....

MJS - Do you know if they swaped your ECU at the same time your engine was changed? The fact that switching off the engine and then back on makes the noise go away for some owners leads me to question if this noise could have something to do with the ECU. If the problem is somehow in the ECU and they didn't change that when they changed the engine, that could account for the noise recurring so soon.

MJS · Apr 20th, 2008, 11:14 AM

No, none of the electrics or ancillaries were replaced.

I'm not sure how the ECU could affect it, but I see where you are coming from and the question you have raised.

It still seems odd how they have gone to the extent of replacing the full engine, especially after the dealer bulletin from p45 reminding them to reassure the customer that no damage will or has taken place. It just doesn't add up....

caesar · Apr 20th, 2008, 11:26 AM

If the existing ECU was wrongly programmed for the NEW engine, then it's just a matter of upgrading the program by a flash download......no need for it to be replaced unless it was faulty.

MJS · Apr 20th, 2008, 02:25 PM

Honestly don't think it's anything to do with the ECU or any other programming issues.

The problem is down to oil supply as per dealer bulletin on page 35 (again...)

Bluebabe · Apr 21st, 2008, 09:57 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MJS (original)

Honestly don't think it's anything to do with the ECU or any other programming issues.

The problem is down to oil supply as per dealer bulletin on page 35 (again...)

I think you are right MJS even the dealers are quoting it as such. Can't see why they would do that unless the problem was worse and they were trying to dumb it down!
But then what could be worse and not yet heard about?

This issue to me sounds serious enough though, I think they are just playing for time for a fix and possibly adding it as a face lift, (maybe next year)? just as they did with various recorded issues on the previous generation.
That means they will service the people experiencing the problem, But only if they complain enough! (No more Sitting On the fence peeps!)

I am wondering how many people overall are suffering with this problem and if there is any way to survey and work out an accurate percentage. Is there anyone here able to do this survey?

MJS · Apr 21st, 2008, 10:16 AM

True enough Bluebabe, if we remember back to the early One/Cooper gearbox issues, they must have been serious enough as they changed the gearbox design in the facelift....

I would agree they are probably playing it down until the possible facelift models as well.

Can a moderator put a poll up? Maybe we should have
1. No noise at all (fingers crossed)
2. Heard the noise but will live with it
3. Heard the noise and trying to get it fixed

Is there any way to put maybe another poll up, if people have the noise
1. Build date
2. Mileage
3. Date first heard the noise

This should give us some results we can work with then...

caesar · Apr 21st, 2008, 10:36 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MJS (original)

True enough Bluebabe, if we remember back to the early One/Cooper gearbox issues, they must have been serious enough as they changed the gearbox design in the facelift....

I would agree they are probably playing it down until the possible facelift models as well.

Can a moderator put a poll up? Maybe we should have
1. No noise at all (fingers crossed)
2. Heard the noise but will live with it
3. Heard the noise and trying to get it fixed

Is there any way to put maybe another poll up, if people have the noise
1. Build date
2. Mileage
3. Date first heard the noise

This should give us some results we can work with then...

Excellent suggestion..........I fully endorse it. By working together is the only method to get BMW
to take notice and hopefully resolve the issue.

Tunster · Apr 21st, 2008, 10:42 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MJS (original)

True enough Bluebabe, if we remember back to the early One/Cooper gearbox issues, they must have been serious enough as they changed the gearbox design in the facelift....

I would agree they are probably playing it down until the possible facelift models as well.

Can a moderator put a poll up? Maybe we should have
1. No noise at all (fingers crossed)
2. Heard the noise but will live with it
3. Heard the noise and trying to get it fixed

Is there any way to put maybe another poll up, if people have the noise
1. Build date
2. Mileage
3. Date first heard the noise

This should give us some results we can work with then...

What is needed is a new topic with the poll regarding to whether you get the noise, and everyone who votes puts the info within the thread (rather than making another poll) regarding the build date, mileage, and date first heard the noise etc.

Maybe a mod could possibly sticky the thread so it gets looked at all the time and all S owners can post their info.

MJS · Apr 21st, 2008, 10:43 AM

Good stuff, at least we can agree on one thing caesar

Then we can all start pulling together and get to the bottom of this....

caesar · Apr 21st, 2008, 11:05 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MJS (original)

Good stuff, at least we can agree on one thing caesar

Then we can all start pulling together and get to the bottom of this....

It's not as bad as that MJS.......we have agreed on many things in a way

Boro Boy · Apr 21st, 2008, 11:10 AM

Have a look here, now a website dedicated to the issue. It'll be on Sky News next ...

caesar · Apr 21st, 2008, 11:35 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Boro Boy (original)

Have a look here, now a website dedicated to the issue. It'll be on Sky News next ...

Have just registered......many thanks for the link.

rogan200 · Apr 21st, 2008, 12:41 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by caesar (original)

Have just registered......many thanks for the link.

Website is a great idea. I just hope everyone reading this thread on mini2 with the problem will register. It will help get an idea of the scale of the problem.

caesar · Apr 21st, 2008, 12:52 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by rogan200 (original)

Website is a great idea. I just hope everyone reading this thread on mini2 with the problem will register. It will help get an idea of the scale of the problem.

The sites not working too well at the moment, just tried to post a thread and got ' Template Parse Error' with a message to try later

Bishamon · Apr 21st, 2008, 01:08 PM

There is a stickied survey thread on NAM collecting information. I would recommend everyone fill there information in there as well. The more data collected the better:

MINI COOPER :: North American Motoring - Cold Start Issues Database

Quote: Originally Posted by MJS (original)

True enough Bluebabe, if we remember back to the early One/Cooper gearbox issues, they must have been serious enough as they changed the gearbox design in the facelift....

I would agree they are probably playing it down until the possible facelift models as well.

Can a moderator put a poll up? Maybe we should have
1. No noise at all (fingers crossed)
2. Heard the noise but will live with it
3. Heard the noise and trying to get it fixed

Is there any way to put maybe another poll up, if people have the noise
1. Build date
2. Mileage
3. Date first heard the noise

This should give us some results we can work with then...

Boro Boy · Apr 21st, 2008, 01:38 PM

Bishamon, thanks. Have just been browsing through some of the entries on the NAM thread you linked to. One comment on one entry I thought was particularly interesting ...

" ... Had the noise twice, changed oil to 0w-40 and have not had rattle since even with negative temperatures."

I'm not sure that 0W-40 is the recommended grade, which is 5W-30 I believe. I have topped mine up with Castrol Edge 0W-30 and noise still occasionally rears its ugly head.

Anyone else got a view on this?

MJS · Apr 21st, 2008, 01:52 PM

you could try draining the oil and filling it up with 0W-40 and see what happens?

Also bear in mind, the weather is becoming warmer so the chances of the noise being there is going down every day. Unless of course we get another cold spell...

Apr 20th, 2008, 05:55 AM	#904 (permalink)
fbirch MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Dec 2006 Local Time: 02:26 AM Posts: 10 Offline	ECU Changed? Quote: Originally Posted by MJS (original) I've just been trying to drive dynamically and only got 10.7 average mpg, does this count Think if I didn't see the funny side, I would probably cry.... MJS - Do you know if they swaped your ECU at the same time your engine was changed? The fact that switching off the engine and then back on makes the noise go away for some owners leads me to question if this noise could have something to do with the ECU. If the problem is somehow in the ECU and they didn't change that when they changed the engine, that could account for the noise recurring so soon.

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Apr 19th, 2008, 02:58 PM	#901
MJS MINI2 Senior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Lancashire Local Time: 03:26 AM Posts: 360 Offline	I've just been trying to drive dynamically and only got 10.7 average mpg, does this count Think if I didn't see the funny side, I would probably cry....

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Apr 19th, 2008, 06:01 PM	#902 (permalink)
caesar MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Wales Local Time: 03:26 AM Posts: 814 Offline	Well MJS at least you have a sense of humour after this frustrating disappointment Returning to the content of the Thumbnails ......strangely I have noticed with my MCS that if it's been parked on the driveway leading to the garage for a few hours, then started and parked immediately inside the garage overnight ....there is a good chance the noise will occur the next morning ! However if it's driven a few miles and then parked overnight in the garage it's OK next morning. The Type-R was the same if started then parked in the garage overnight, but did not get the MCS 'noise' in the morning......instead the engine would sound and feel rough for about 5 minutes. The dealer said it was due to the automatic choke coming into operation and the cylinders not having time to burn the fuel, consequently next morning on start up the engine was partly flooded. This might have something to do with what our German writer is referring to in the thumbnails.

Apr 19th, 2008, 06:39 PM	#903 (permalink)
caesar MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Wales Local Time: 03:26 AM Posts: 814 Offline	MJS I should have added .......things could have been worse the replacement sun-roof only whistled but did not leak

Apr 20th, 2008, 11:14 AM	#905 (permalink)
MJS MINI2 Senior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Lancashire Local Time: 03:26 AM Posts: 360 Offline	No, none of the electrics or ancillaries were replaced. I'm not sure how the ECU could affect it, but I see where you are coming from and the question you have raised. It still seems odd how they have gone to the extent of replacing the full engine, especially after the dealer bulletin from p45 reminding them to reassure the customer that no damage will or has taken place. It just doesn't add up....

Apr 20th, 2008, 11:26 AM	#906 (permalink)
caesar MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Wales Local Time: 03:26 AM Posts: 814 Offline	If the existing ECU was wrongly programmed for the NEW engine, then it's just a matter of upgrading the program by a flash download......no need for it to be replaced unless it was faulty.

Apr 20th, 2008, 02:25 PM	#907 (permalink)
MJS MINI2 Senior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Lancashire Local Time: 03:26 AM Posts: 360 Offline	Honestly don't think it's anything to do with the ECU or any other programming issues. The problem is down to oil supply as per dealer bulletin on page 35 (again...)

Apr 21st, 2008, 09:57 AM	#908 (permalink)
Bluebabe MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: SURREY Local Time: 03:26 AM Posts: 106 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MJS (original) Honestly don't think it's anything to do with the ECU or any other programming issues. The problem is down to oil supply as per dealer bulletin on page 35 (again...) I think you are right MJS even the dealers are quoting it as such. Can't see why they would do that unless the problem was worse and they were trying to dumb it down! But then what could be worse and not yet heard about? This issue to me sounds serious enough though, I think they are just playing for time for a fix and possibly adding it as a face lift, (maybe next year)? just as they did with various recorded issues on the previous generation. That means they will service the people experiencing the problem, But only if they complain enough! (No more Sitting On the fence peeps!) I am wondering how many people overall are suffering with this problem and if there is any way to survey and work out an accurate percentage. Is there anyone here able to do this survey?

Apr 21st, 2008, 10:16 AM	#909 (permalink)
MJS MINI2 Senior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Lancashire Local Time: 03:26 AM Posts: 360 Offline	True enough Bluebabe, if we remember back to the early One/Cooper gearbox issues, they must have been serious enough as they changed the gearbox design in the facelift.... I would agree they are probably playing it down until the possible facelift models as well. Can a moderator put a poll up? Maybe we should have 1. No noise at all (fingers crossed) 2. Heard the noise but will live with it 3. Heard the noise and trying to get it fixed Is there any way to put maybe another poll up, if people have the noise 1. Build date 2. Mileage 3. Date first heard the noise This should give us some results we can work with then...

Apr 21st, 2008, 10:36 AM	#910 (permalink)
caesar MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Wales Local Time: 03:26 AM Posts: 814 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MJS (original) True enough Bluebabe, if we remember back to the early One/Cooper gearbox issues, they must have been serious enough as they changed the gearbox design in the facelift.... I would agree they are probably playing it down until the possible facelift models as well. Can a moderator put a poll up? Maybe we should have 1. No noise at all (fingers crossed) 2. Heard the noise but will live with it 3. Heard the noise and trying to get it fixed Is there any way to put maybe another poll up, if people have the noise 1. Build date 2. Mileage 3. Date first heard the noise This should give us some results we can work with then... Excellent suggestion..........I fully endorse it. By working together is the only method to get BMW to take notice and hopefully resolve the issue.

Apr 21st, 2008, 10:42 AM	#911 (permalink)
Tunster MCS AB Owner! =D Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Essex, England Local Time: 03:26 AM Posts: 311 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MJS (original) True enough Bluebabe, if we remember back to the early One/Cooper gearbox issues, they must have been serious enough as they changed the gearbox design in the facelift.... I would agree they are probably playing it down until the possible facelift models as well. Can a moderator put a poll up? Maybe we should have 1. No noise at all (fingers crossed) 2. Heard the noise but will live with it 3. Heard the noise and trying to get it fixed Is there any way to put maybe another poll up, if people have the noise 1. Build date 2. Mileage 3. Date first heard the noise This should give us some results we can work with then... What is needed is a new topic with the poll regarding to whether you get the noise, and everyone who votes puts the info within the thread (rather than making another poll) regarding the build date, mileage, and date first heard the noise etc. Maybe a mod could possibly sticky the thread so it gets looked at all the time and all S owners can post their info.

Apr 21st, 2008, 10:43 AM	#912 (permalink)
MJS MINI2 Senior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Lancashire Local Time: 03:26 AM Posts: 360 Offline	Good stuff, at least we can agree on one thing caesar Then we can all start pulling together and get to the bottom of this....

Apr 21st, 2008, 11:05 AM	#913 (permalink)
caesar MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Wales Local Time: 03:26 AM Posts: 814 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MJS (original) Good stuff, at least we can agree on one thing caesar Then we can all start pulling together and get to the bottom of this.... It's not as bad as that MJS.......we have agreed on many things in a way

Apr 21st, 2008, 11:10 AM	#914 (permalink)
Boro Boy MINI2 Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: London Local Time: 03:26 AM Posts: 83 Offline	Have a look here, now a website dedicated to the issue. It'll be on Sky News next ...

Apr 21st, 2008, 11:35 AM	#915 (permalink)
caesar MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Wales Local Time: 03:26 AM Posts: 814 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Boro Boy (original) Have a look here, now a website dedicated to the issue. It'll be on Sky News next ... Have just registered......many thanks for the link.

Apr 21st, 2008, 12:41 PM	#916 (permalink)
rogan200 Mini JCW Owner-To-Be!! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Harrogate / Bristol Local Time: 03:26 AM Posts: 245 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by caesar (original) Have just registered......many thanks for the link. Website is a great idea. I just hope everyone reading this thread on mini2 with the problem will register. It will help get an idea of the scale of the problem.

Apr 21st, 2008, 12:52 PM	#917 (permalink)
caesar MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Wales Local Time: 03:26 AM Posts: 814 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by rogan200 (original) Website is a great idea. I just hope everyone reading this thread on mini2 with the problem will register. It will help get an idea of the scale of the problem. The sites not working too well at the moment, just tried to post a thread and got ' Template Parse Error' with a message to try later

Apr 21st, 2008, 01:08 PM	#918 (permalink)
Bishamon MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Local Time: 10:26 PM Posts: 55 Offline	There is a stickied survey thread on NAM collecting information. I would recommend everyone fill there information in there as well. The more data collected the better: MINI COOPER :: North American Motoring - Cold Start Issues Database Quote: Originally Posted by MJS (original) True enough Bluebabe, if we remember back to the early One/Cooper gearbox issues, they must have been serious enough as they changed the gearbox design in the facelift.... I would agree they are probably playing it down until the possible facelift models as well. Can a moderator put a poll up? Maybe we should have 1. No noise at all (fingers crossed) 2. Heard the noise but will live with it 3. Heard the noise and trying to get it fixed Is there any way to put maybe another poll up, if people have the noise 1. Build date 2. Mileage 3. Date first heard the noise This should give us some results we can work with then...

Apr 21st, 2008, 01:38 PM	#919 (permalink)
Boro Boy MINI2 Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: London Local Time: 03:26 AM Posts: 83 Offline	Bishamon, thanks. Have just been browsing through some of the entries on the NAM thread you linked to. One comment on one entry I thought was particularly interesting ... " ... Had the noise twice, changed oil to 0w-40 and have not had rattle since even with negative temperatures." I'm not sure that 0W-40 is the recommended grade, which is 5W-30 I believe. I have topped mine up with Castrol Edge 0W-30 and noise still occasionally rears its ugly head. Anyone else got a view on this?

Apr 21st, 2008, 01:52 PM	#920 (permalink)
MJS MINI2 Senior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Lancashire Local Time: 03:26 AM Posts: 360 Offline	you could try draining the oil and filling it up with 0W-40 and see what happens? Also bear in mind, the weather is becoming warmer so the chances of the noise being there is going down every day. Unless of course we get another cold spell...

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