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Purple Dave · Apr 10th, 2007, 11:43 AM

I am convinced it's a temperature thing.

This weekend (warmer weather), I have tried the car from cold and experienced much less noise from the engine.

On Sunday, I didn't go out in the car till the afternoon and it was very warm outside. The car hardly made any noise and after a couple of minutes, it was gone completely.

Coincidence??? I don't think so. Not that it makes me any happier, because it may mean there is no fix.

CBCooper · Apr 10th, 2007, 12:33 PM

It's defintately a strange one. My car can make the noise first start in the morning, i can drive it for 5 mins, leave it for a few hours, the noise is there from start up. I can drive for hours then come home, leave it for hours, start up, the noise is there. But some days its perfectly fine!? But, it still makes this abnormal noise from day to day every week, I've had the chain tensioner piston replaced and this does NOT fix the problem. My car is back in for the last chance to sort this and a few other problems out.

m1mo, you say the technicians heard the noise from your car and they said it was 'normal'. Did you actually ask them to explain what it was? I'd be inclined to think they dont honestly know and any sane person knows a NORMAL engine is not designed to make any noise other than the standard mechanical clatter we all expect from an engine. If this noise is an inherent design feature how come there is only a handful of us with this noise/problem?
Those videos posted dont honestly convey how bad it is! To actually stand next to your pride and joy and listen to that racket is shocking and frustrating as we STILL have no answer to resolve this. I want to get to the bottom of this for my own sake and for everyone else who has this problem.
Will keep you posted

m1m0 · Apr 10th, 2007, 01:11 PM

The guy tried to explain it - essentially he said it was just a feature of the new engines, all part of the way they work to keep emissions down, etc, etc.

Trouble is we were in a hurry to collect the car on the way to work, having dropped it off to have 12 other issues resolved. As such we didn't have much time to go into it, and I was busy checking that the carpet gap was fixed, the boot alignment was fixed, the boot alarm was fixed, etc.

We did manage to get another R56 Cooper S loaner for an afternoon, though, to see if this produced the noise. It didn't - but then ours sometimes will go for days without making it. Interestingly, it did make the 'growl' when slowing down for speedbumps in 2nd and then pulling away, though.

I guess the bottom line is that we're still no further ahead diagnosing this problem - if indeed it is a problem. But the number of people experiencing it seems to be on the increase. I notice that Paul and Olly have mentioned similar noises elsewhere - see:

http://www.mini2.com/forum/2nd-gen-f...ml#post2975699

...and the post immediately beneath it.

CC07ERS · Apr 10th, 2007, 01:14 PM

Dont you think the engine has a ticky noise , for a new engine iam not expecting that.

chipcooper · Apr 10th, 2007, 08:52 PM

My engine has gone a lot quieter now the weather has warmed up. I am taking it back to my dealer tomorrow.I have been very patient but I am starting to get a little bit peed off now

The car is lumpy on tick over.I still have the faulty gear box that not only makes a strange noise when gearing down from 3rd to 2nd but also makes a loud rattling noise when ticking over then goes when you put you clutch pedal down! I also have a rushing water sound coming from behind the dash when first started up and over the weekend a strange noise has appeared on the steering.And the final straw was when a friend of mine asked me if it was a diesel

Not a happy bunny.I Work in the motor trade and drive many a different car- a lot with high milage!!! but i haven't heard anything as hideous as this!!! I have owned 6 minis one being a 51reg that got bought back for having so many faults but i would say this one has to be the worst one

stratius · Apr 12th, 2007, 10:35 AM

I just took My R56 into the dealer this morning to check the Diesel noise out and the first thing the technician said was its the "characteristic" sound of the engine!! I ve left the car to have a better look at it and should have an answer within the day. Honestly if they dont give me a good explanation of what the noise I am writing an official complaint to BMW.
Maybe this forum should start this initiative, since so many people seem to be having the same problem, and demand an official reply from BMW. If I wanted a car that sounds like that I would be driving a truck.
Ill keep you guys posted on the findings of the dealer. Do you think this sound has any effect on the performance of the engine?

Wipeout · Apr 12th, 2007, 10:52 AM

I've got exact the same problem with my Mini (among other problems) and I am now discussing rejection.

They seem to think it is a perfectly acceptable characteristic. I have argued with them, that most reasonable people would consider if a fault with the engine and unnacceptable.

According to the dealer, there technical expert thinks it is due to insufficient oil on the tappets at start up. Which I have then argued is a fault.

Mine happens on cold frosty mornings only.

stratius · Apr 12th, 2007, 10:56 AM

Just got a call from the dealer and the dont see a problem with it..
They insist that the noise that the engine makes is the sound of the high pressure fuel pump on the injection system. Can this be possible? In other words they provided no remedy what so ever for the sound and practically they expect me to put up with it.

I honesty think we should definately start an official complaint to BMW.

CBCooper · Apr 12th, 2007, 12:01 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Wipeout (original)

there technical expert thinks it is due to insufficient oil on the tappets at start up.
.

They have basically admitted something is wrong. Ask them to give you a complete report on there findings and the exact details as to why there is insufficient supply to the tappets. Also ask them to give it to you in writing that this 'perfectly acceptable characteristic' is no cause for concern and will have no affect on the longevity of your engine.
Rant mode off

CB

Martin F · Apr 12th, 2007, 12:03 PM

I am not sure what the complaint would be.

So far this noise seems to be just that, a noise. It may not be expected and does not sound good, but is there any evidence that it is a symptom of a more serious problem? If not then I am not sure how far we would get in saying that we do not like the noise our cars sometimes make on cold mornings. Or am I missing something?

stratius · Apr 12th, 2007, 12:45 PM

I will certainly make them put their findings in writing just to be safe. I am not so much worried that the car makes an ugly sound but more if that sound is something that we should be cautious about and could eventually lead to a great fault to the engine. Also, the noise in my car doesn't dissapear at all and its there all the time form start up (end get louder as the engine warms up), whether the weather is hot or not .
Has anyone heard or know of a new engine crashing or having a serious hands on fault that could be directly related to the "diesel" sound? if we do then that is a start and I would hate to be the first to experience it!

CBCooper · Apr 12th, 2007, 12:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Martin F (original)

It may not be expected and does not sound good, but is there any evidence that it is a symptom of a more serious problem??

Not one dealer has given a satisfactory explanation as to what the cause is and so far they seem to be guessing at what it can be. If they dont know what it is, how can they give me and others the proof that it isnt a serious problem and when we are 20-30k miles along the road it has not affected our engines lifespan.
Yes you are missing something Martin. Only a handful of cars appear to make this abnormal sound. If everyones R56 MCS made this noise we could all sit here and chortle at the wonderful clatter we just spent our hard earned money on.
When i start my car i expect it to tick over with the usual mechanical chorus one should expect from a new car, not one day its fine the next it knocks and clatters, afterall this isnt a Y reg 150 quid Ford Escort we just bought from Honest Bobs Cars.
Except for the colours, we have two identical R56 MCS' in the family, both delivered on the same day, mechanically these are two completely different cars. Agreed no two cars are the same, but i expect in this day and age that the mechanical tolerances of the engine's manufacture to be very close and not to have one engine that purr's everyday and the other sounding like a Massey Ferguson Tractor when it feels like it.

CB

Westerley · Apr 12th, 2007, 02:37 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by CBCooper (original)

Except for the colours, we have two identical R56 MCS' in the family, both delivered on the same day, mechanically these are two completely different cars. Agreed no two cars are the same, but i expect in this day and age that the mechanical tolerances of the engine's manufacture to be very close and not to have one engine that purr's everyday and the other sounding like a Massey Ferguson Tractor when it feels like it.

CB

What did your dealer have to say about this? How do they explain that one does it and one doesn't?

Mine has done this only once about a week ago. It was a really warm day, started it up and it sounded like a bag of spanners. Hasn't done it again since.

craigd · Apr 12th, 2007, 03:02 PM

I spoke with Steven Knowles (Head of Mini Technical last thurs) about this problem and a couple of others...

he said that the fault with the noise from the engine is because the car is direct injection. He also said the car sounded "tappety" as they were hydraulic tappets.. I am not buying either of those responses... As others have said, I don't know any other car that is a petrol and some people are mistaking it for a diesel.

I also have the sound of rushing water behind the passenger side of the dash. When quizzed about this, he also said it was a charachteristic of the vehicle as it was the engine pushing the coolant round the system...

That also sounds like nonsense to me...

My car still has 3 faults still to be fixed (rushing water, speakers to be replaced and software fix for the fuel gauge problem....)

We can only wait and see (Due to parts problems still...)

CBCooper · Apr 12th, 2007, 03:18 PM

My car is in for a number of faults to be looked at, i took a technician out (again) yesterday to let him hear and see the problems my car has, its spent over 3 weeks in and out of the workshop since i had it for the following problems and some still persist:
1. Headlight alignment (in twice for that, fixed 2nd time)
2. Dashboard rattles (again in twice, still rattles but is bearable)
3. Knocking/rattle from drivers side suspension (Suspension Struts replaced made no difference) back 3 times now and still unresolved
4. Abnormal labouring/growling noise from low rev pull away, i was told it was my exhaust vibrating but they couldnt fix it or make it stop or see what it was vibrating on, but i feel this is the dual mass flywheel problem mentioned in another thread. There investigating that again
5. Drivers window is inoperative, i was told my battery was low, they even showed me the printout of the batterys charge level it was at 94.3% and when they charged it it was 97% whoopee doo!, window worked (just) was really lazy and slow, i even questioned why my battery would lose significant enough charge to not power the window yet it can turn over the engine no problem, i was just told that "Thats what the fix is on the puma system" Three cheers for them using some initiative then, the following day it stopped working again. Funny how the 'low' battery had no affect on the passengers window...
6. Chain tensioner piston replaced as possible cure for the engine noise. No difference
7. The outstanding warranty campaign (recall) for the N/S outer gaitor which needs replacing

Those are the major issues, my lower front grill was unclipped/loose requiring headlight removal to fix whilst i waited, bolt/screw missing from rear bumper just a couple more things that missed pdi i guess.

So im slightly annoyed and in that time i've had a mini one convertible, an R56 mini cooper, a BMW 120D and am now in a mini MCS convertible as courtesy cars and to my frustration they have all been brilliant!, which is what having a new car should be all about. As all this continues, the countless times i have been back to the dealers all on my days off work and the time wasted when i could be doing so many better things, it all just leaves a sour taste in your mouth, im absolutely fed up with it all.
Will keep you updated, car went in yesterday, no news today.
CB

CooperS4us · Apr 12th, 2007, 03:32 PM

Reject the car.

medilloni · Apr 12th, 2007, 03:43 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by CBCooper (original)

Not one dealer has given a satisfactory explanation as to what the cause is and so far they seem to be guessing at what it can be. If they dont know what it is, how can they give me and others the proof that it isnt a serious problem and when we are 20-30k miles along the road it has not affected our engines lifespan.
Yes you are missing something Martin. Only a handful of cars appear to make this abnormal sound. If everyones R56 MCS made this noise we could all sit here and chortle at the wonderful clatter we just spent our hard earned money on.
When i start my car i expect it to tick over with the usual mechanical chorus one should expect from a new car, not one day its fine the next it knocks and clatters, afterall this isnt a Y reg 150 quid Ford Escort we just bought from Honest Bobs Cars.
Except for the colours, we have two identical R56 MCS' in the family, both delivered on the same day, mechanically these are two completely different cars. Agreed no two cars are the same, but i expect in this day and age that the mechanical tolerances of the engine's manufacture to be very close and not to have one engine that purr's everyday and the other sounding like a Massey Ferguson Tractor when it feels like it.

CB

I agree with you completely CBcooper.

Mine also has the JCB mating call and I have recorded a normal start and the clatter - both supplied to the dealer on CD. They are convinced (because BMW told them to change it!)it's the timing chain tensioner and that there will be no long term engine damage. Whilst I doubt very much that this is the cause, there is a chance it could be for the simple reason that all the valves would be out of sync if the timing chain was slack (untensioned), so making the heavy top end clatter.

It was interesting to hear the head of the service dept say that there would be no long term damage: when I asked him what happens when two metal parts collide enough to make that noise, and where he supposed the resulting worn metal particles would go, he seemed a little lost for wards.......... I've been toottering on the edge of rejection for a wee while (due to other faults too) - I might let them have a go, PROVIDING they provide me with assurance they will take the car back without question if it does it again.

So annoying when the car is otherwise such a bundle of fun. And I can't wait to get to a trouble free stage so I can start making a few changes.

Footynote: We bought a new Cooper for the missus at the same time (jan/feb this year) and that car is completely perfect in every way

dneal · Apr 12th, 2007, 07:06 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by CBCooper

Except for the colours, we have two identical R56 MCS' in the family, both delivered on the same day, mechanically these are two completely different cars. Agreed no two cars are the same, but i expect in this day and age that the mechanical tolerances of the engine's manufacture to be very close and not to have one engine that purr's everyday and the other sounding like a Massey Ferguson Tractor when it feels like it.

Take both cars in, and when they insist the clackety one is "normal"; ask them what is wrong with the quiet one. It must be, by their logic, abnormal.

Wipeout · Apr 13th, 2007, 06:24 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by CooperS4us (original)

Reject the car.

It's hard work reject a car, when the dealers seem convinced that it's fine and it's your expectations which are wrong.

Everybody except Mini seems to think the car isn't satisfactory.

I am currently talking with mini now, and it's hard work.

dneal · Apr 13th, 2007, 08:00 PM

Quote:

I also have the sound of rushing water behind the passenger side of the dash. When quizzed about this, he also said it was a charachteristic of the vehicle as it was the engine pushing the coolant round the system... That also sounds like nonsense to me...

That sound is air in the coolant system. You're hearing it as it circulates through the heater core.

Apr 10th, 2007, 08:52 PM	#85 (permalink)
chipcooper MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bolton Local Time: 12:55 AM Posts: 74 Offline	My engine has gone a lot quieter now the weather has warmed up. I am taking it back to my dealer tomorrow.I have been very patient but I am starting to get a little bit peed off now The car is lumpy on tick over.I still have the faulty gear box that not only makes a strange noise when gearing down from 3rd to 2nd but also makes a loud rattling noise when ticking over then goes when you put you clutch pedal down! I also have a rushing water sound coming from behind the dash when first started up and over the weekend a strange noise has appeared on the steering.And the final straw was when a friend of mine asked me if it was a diesel Not a happy bunny.I Work in the motor trade and drive many a different car- a lot with high milage!!! but i haven't heard anything as hideous as this!!! I have owned 6 minis one being a 51reg that got bought back for having so many faults but i would say this one has to be the worst one COOPER S

Apr 12th, 2007, 03:32 PM	#96 (permalink)
CooperS4us MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: South Florida Local Time: 07:55 PM Posts: 955 Offline	Reject the car. '02 Cooper CVT PW/B Leatherette, MFSW, 15" 8-spokes '05 MCS CR/W

Apr 12th, 2007, 03:43 PM	#97 (permalink)
medilloni The Stig's Dad Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: North West UK Local Time: 11:55 PM Posts: 162 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by CBCooper (original) Not one dealer has given a satisfactory explanation as to what the cause is and so far they seem to be guessing at what it can be. If they dont know what it is, how can they give me and others the proof that it isnt a serious problem and when we are 20-30k miles along the road it has not affected our engines lifespan. Yes you are missing something Martin. Only a handful of cars appear to make this abnormal sound. If everyones R56 MCS made this noise we could all sit here and chortle at the wonderful clatter we just spent our hard earned money on. When i start my car i expect it to tick over with the usual mechanical chorus one should expect from a new car, not one day its fine the next it knocks and clatters, afterall this isnt a Y reg 150 quid Ford Escort we just bought from Honest Bobs Cars. Except for the colours, we have two identical R56 MCS' in the family, both delivered on the same day, mechanically these are two completely different cars. Agreed no two cars are the same, but i expect in this day and age that the mechanical tolerances of the engine's manufacture to be very close and not to have one engine that purr's everyday and the other sounding like a Massey Ferguson Tractor when it feels like it. CB I agree with you completely CBcooper. Mine also has the JCB mating call and I have recorded a normal start and the clatter - both supplied to the dealer on CD. They are convinced (because BMW told them to change it!)it's the timing chain tensioner and that there will be no long term engine damage. Whilst I doubt very much that this is the cause, there is a chance it could be for the simple reason that all the valves would be out of sync if the timing chain was slack (untensioned), so making the heavy top end clatter. It was interesting to hear the head of the service dept say that there would be no long term damage: when I asked him what happens when two metal parts collide enough to make that noise, and where he supposed the resulting worn metal particles would go, he seemed a little lost for wards.......... I've been toottering on the edge of rejection for a wee while (due to other faults too) - I might let them have a go, PROVIDING they provide me with assurance they will take the car back without question if it does it again. So annoying when the car is otherwise such a bundle of fun. And I can't wait to get to a trouble free stage so I can start making a few changes. Footynote: We bought a new Cooper for the missus at the same time (jan/feb this year) and that car is completely perfect in every way "He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant, and she was the East River."

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Apr 10th, 2007, 11:43 AM	#81
Purple Dave MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Essex Local Time: 12:55 AM Posts: 487 Offline	I am convinced it's a temperature thing. This weekend (warmer weather), I have tried the car from cold and experienced much less noise from the engine. On Sunday, I didn't go out in the car till the afternoon and it was very warm outside. The car hardly made any noise and after a couple of minutes, it was gone completely. Coincidence??? I don't think so. Not that it makes me any happier, because it may mean there is no fix.

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Apr 10th, 2007, 12:33 PM	#82 (permalink)
CBCooper November build Diesel MCS Join Date: Oct 2003 Local Time: 11:55 PM Posts: 77 Offline	It's defintately a strange one. My car can make the noise first start in the morning, i can drive it for 5 mins, leave it for a few hours, the noise is there from start up. I can drive for hours then come home, leave it for hours, start up, the noise is there. But some days its perfectly fine!? But, it still makes this abnormal noise from day to day every week, I've had the chain tensioner piston replaced and this does NOT fix the problem. My car is back in for the last chance to sort this and a few other problems out. m1mo, you say the technicians heard the noise from your car and they said it was 'normal'. Did you actually ask them to explain what it was? I'd be inclined to think they dont honestly know and any sane person knows a NORMAL engine is not designed to make any noise other than the standard mechanical clatter we all expect from an engine. If this noise is an inherent design feature how come there is only a handful of us with this noise/problem? Those videos posted dont honestly convey how bad it is! To actually stand next to your pride and joy and listen to that racket is shocking and frustrating as we STILL have no answer to resolve this. I want to get to the bottom of this for my own sake and for everyone else who has this problem. Will keep you posted

Apr 10th, 2007, 01:11 PM	#83 (permalink)
m1m0 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cardiff Local Time: 12:55 AM Posts: 214 Offline	The guy tried to explain it - essentially he said it was just a feature of the new engines, all part of the way they work to keep emissions down, etc, etc. Trouble is we were in a hurry to collect the car on the way to work, having dropped it off to have 12 other issues resolved. As such we didn't have much time to go into it, and I was busy checking that the carpet gap was fixed, the boot alignment was fixed, the boot alarm was fixed, etc. We did manage to get another R56 Cooper S loaner for an afternoon, though, to see if this produced the noise. It didn't - but then ours sometimes will go for days without making it. Interestingly, it did make the 'growl' when slowing down for speedbumps in 2nd and then pulling away, though. I guess the bottom line is that we're still no further ahead diagnosing this problem - if indeed it is a problem. But the number of people experiencing it seems to be on the increase. I notice that Paul and Olly have mentioned similar noises elsewhere - see: http://www.mini2.com/forum/2nd-gen-f...ml#post2975699 ...and the post immediately beneath it.

Apr 10th, 2007, 01:14 PM	#84 (permalink)
CC07ERS TYPE R GT VTEC POWERED My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Type R GT Local Time: 12:55 AM Posts: 2,694 Offline	Dont you think the engine has a ticky noise , for a new engine iam not expecting that.

Apr 12th, 2007, 10:35 AM	#86 (permalink)
stratius MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Athens Local Time: 02:55 AM Posts: 13 Offline	I just took My R56 into the dealer this morning to check the Diesel noise out and the first thing the technician said was its the "characteristic" sound of the engine!! I ve left the car to have a better look at it and should have an answer within the day. Honestly if they dont give me a good explanation of what the noise I am writing an official complaint to BMW. Maybe this forum should start this initiative, since so many people seem to be having the same problem, and demand an official reply from BMW. If I wanted a car that sounds like that I would be driving a truck. Ill keep you guys posted on the findings of the dealer. Do you think this sound has any effect on the performance of the engine?

Apr 12th, 2007, 10:52 AM	#87 (permalink)
Wipeout MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Local Time: 12:55 AM Posts: 32 Offline	I've got exact the same problem with my Mini (among other problems) and I am now discussing rejection. They seem to think it is a perfectly acceptable characteristic. I have argued with them, that most reasonable people would consider if a fault with the engine and unnacceptable. According to the dealer, there technical expert thinks it is due to insufficient oil on the tappets at start up. Which I have then argued is a fault. Mine happens on cold frosty mornings only.

Apr 12th, 2007, 10:56 AM	#88 (permalink)
stratius MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Athens Local Time: 02:55 AM Posts: 13 Offline	Just got a call from the dealer and the dont see a problem with it.. They insist that the noise that the engine makes is the sound of the high pressure fuel pump on the injection system. Can this be possible? In other words they provided no remedy what so ever for the sound and practically they expect me to put up with it. I honesty think we should definately start an official complaint to BMW.

Apr 12th, 2007, 12:01 PM	#89 (permalink)
CBCooper November build Diesel MCS Join Date: Oct 2003 Local Time: 11:55 PM Posts: 77 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Wipeout (original) there technical expert thinks it is due to insufficient oil on the tappets at start up. . They have basically admitted something is wrong. Ask them to give you a complete report on there findings and the exact details as to why there is insufficient supply to the tappets. Also ask them to give it to you in writing that this 'perfectly acceptable characteristic' is no cause for concern and will have no affect on the longevity of your engine. Rant mode off CB

Apr 12th, 2007, 12:03 PM	#90 (permalink)
Martin F Making it add up Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sussex Local Time: 12:55 AM Posts: 601 Offline	I am not sure what the complaint would be. So far this noise seems to be just that, a noise. It may not be expected and does not sound good, but is there any evidence that it is a symptom of a more serious problem? If not then I am not sure how far we would get in saying that we do not like the noise our cars sometimes make on cold mornings. Or am I missing something?

Apr 12th, 2007, 12:45 PM	#91 (permalink)
stratius MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Athens Local Time: 02:55 AM Posts: 13 Offline	I will certainly make them put their findings in writing just to be safe. I am not so much worried that the car makes an ugly sound but more if that sound is something that we should be cautious about and could eventually lead to a great fault to the engine. Also, the noise in my car doesn't dissapear at all and its there all the time form start up (end get louder as the engine warms up), whether the weather is hot or not . Has anyone heard or know of a new engine crashing or having a serious hands on fault that could be directly related to the "diesel" sound? if we do then that is a start and I would hate to be the first to experience it!

Apr 12th, 2007, 12:54 PM	#92 (permalink)
CBCooper November build Diesel MCS Join Date: Oct 2003 Local Time: 11:55 PM Posts: 77 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Martin F (original) It may not be expected and does not sound good, but is there any evidence that it is a symptom of a more serious problem?? Not one dealer has given a satisfactory explanation as to what the cause is and so far they seem to be guessing at what it can be. If they dont know what it is, how can they give me and others the proof that it isnt a serious problem and when we are 20-30k miles along the road it has not affected our engines lifespan. Yes you are missing something Martin. Only a handful of cars appear to make this abnormal sound. If everyones R56 MCS made this noise we could all sit here and chortle at the wonderful clatter we just spent our hard earned money on. When i start my car i expect it to tick over with the usual mechanical chorus one should expect from a new car, not one day its fine the next it knocks and clatters, afterall this isnt a Y reg 150 quid Ford Escort we just bought from Honest Bobs Cars. Except for the colours, we have two identical R56 MCS' in the family, both delivered on the same day, mechanically these are two completely different cars. Agreed no two cars are the same, but i expect in this day and age that the mechanical tolerances of the engine's manufacture to be very close and not to have one engine that purr's everyday and the other sounding like a Massey Ferguson Tractor when it feels like it. CB

Apr 12th, 2007, 02:37 PM	#93 (permalink)
Westerley What's the speed of dark? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nottinghamshire Local Time: 11:55 PM Posts: 132 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by CBCooper (original) Except for the colours, we have two identical R56 MCS' in the family, both delivered on the same day, mechanically these are two completely different cars. Agreed no two cars are the same, but i expect in this day and age that the mechanical tolerances of the engine's manufacture to be very close and not to have one engine that purr's everyday and the other sounding like a Massey Ferguson Tractor when it feels like it. CB What did your dealer have to say about this? How do they explain that one does it and one doesn't? Mine has done this only once about a week ago. It was a really warm day, started it up and it sounded like a bag of spanners. Hasn't done it again since.

Apr 12th, 2007, 03:02 PM	#94 (permalink)
craigd MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2005 Local Time: 12:55 AM Posts: 129 Offline	I spoke with Steven Knowles (Head of Mini Technical last thurs) about this problem and a couple of others... he said that the fault with the noise from the engine is because the car is direct injection. He also said the car sounded "tappety" as they were hydraulic tappets.. I am not buying either of those responses... As others have said, I don't know any other car that is a petrol and some people are mistaking it for a diesel. I also have the sound of rushing water behind the passenger side of the dash. When quizzed about this, he also said it was a charachteristic of the vehicle as it was the engine pushing the coolant round the system... That also sounds like nonsense to me... My car still has 3 faults still to be fixed (rushing water, speakers to be replaced and software fix for the fuel gauge problem....) We can only wait and see (Due to parts problems still...)

Apr 12th, 2007, 03:18 PM	#95 (permalink)
CBCooper November build Diesel MCS Join Date: Oct 2003 Local Time: 11:55 PM Posts: 77 Offline	My car is in for a number of faults to be looked at, i took a technician out (again) yesterday to let him hear and see the problems my car has, its spent over 3 weeks in and out of the workshop since i had it for the following problems and some still persist: 1. Headlight alignment (in twice for that, fixed 2nd time) 2. Dashboard rattles (again in twice, still rattles but is bearable) 3. Knocking/rattle from drivers side suspension (Suspension Struts replaced made no difference) back 3 times now and still unresolved 4. Abnormal labouring/growling noise from low rev pull away, i was told it was my exhaust vibrating but they couldnt fix it or make it stop or see what it was vibrating on, but i feel this is the dual mass flywheel problem mentioned in another thread. There investigating that again 5. Drivers window is inoperative, i was told my battery was low, they even showed me the printout of the batterys charge level it was at 94.3% and when they charged it it was 97% whoopee doo!, window worked (just) was really lazy and slow, i even questioned why my battery would lose significant enough charge to not power the window yet it can turn over the engine no problem, i was just told that "Thats what the fix is on the puma system" Three cheers for them using some initiative then, the following day it stopped working again. Funny how the 'low' battery had no affect on the passengers window... 6. Chain tensioner piston replaced as possible cure for the engine noise. No difference 7. The outstanding warranty campaign (recall) for the N/S outer gaitor which needs replacing Those are the major issues, my lower front grill was unclipped/loose requiring headlight removal to fix whilst i waited, bolt/screw missing from rear bumper just a couple more things that missed pdi i guess. So im slightly annoyed and in that time i've had a mini one convertible, an R56 mini cooper, a BMW 120D and am now in a mini MCS convertible as courtesy cars and to my frustration they have all been brilliant!, which is what having a new car should be all about. As all this continues, the countless times i have been back to the dealers all on my days off work and the time wasted when i could be doing so many better things, it all just leaves a sour taste in your mouth, im absolutely fed up with it all. Will keep you updated, car went in yesterday, no news today. CB

Apr 12th, 2007, 07:06 PM	#98 (permalink)
dneal MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Local Time: 01:55 AM Posts: 35 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by CBCooper Except for the colours, we have two identical R56 MCS' in the family, both delivered on the same day, mechanically these are two completely different cars. Agreed no two cars are the same, but i expect in this day and age that the mechanical tolerances of the engine's manufacture to be very close and not to have one engine that purr's everyday and the other sounding like a Massey Ferguson Tractor when it feels like it. Take both cars in, and when they insist the clackety one is "normal"; ask them what is wrong with the quiet one. It must be, by their logic, abnormal.

Apr 13th, 2007, 06:24 AM	#99 (permalink)
Wipeout MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Local Time: 12:55 AM Posts: 32 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by CooperS4us (original) Reject the car. It's hard work reject a car, when the dealers seem convinced that it's fine and it's your expectations which are wrong. Everybody except Mini seems to think the car isn't satisfactory. I am currently talking with mini now, and it's hard work.

Apr 13th, 2007, 08:00 PM	#100 (permalink)
dneal MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Local Time: 01:55 AM Posts: 35 Offline	Quote: I also have the sound of rushing water behind the passenger side of the dash. When quizzed about this, he also said it was a charachteristic of the vehicle as it was the engine pushing the coolant round the system... That also sounds like nonsense to me... That sound is air in the coolant system. You're hearing it as it circulates through the heater core.

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