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"Reedy" · Feb 15th, 2006, 09:10 PM

Just been looking around on the web for info on 2007 mini, found out that it might have a starter button instead of a key, has anyone else heard that,?

MarkW19 · Feb 15th, 2006, 09:19 PM

Wouldn't suprise me!

Keyless entry with a starter button, fairly standard these days. Plus the "official" JCW retrofit starter button has just come out.

"Reedy" · Feb 15th, 2006, 09:23 PM

I think the starter button will be incorperated within the centre console, speedo area.

MarkW19 · Feb 15th, 2006, 09:35 PM

The JCW one is, there's a thread on it somewhere...

Paul · Feb 16th, 2006, 12:51 PM

It will be pretty much as described in the various concept reports in the MINI2 news section (Concept Detroit, Frankfurt etc.) similar (almost the same as I think) the BMW 1 Series I believe.

Jordan210 · Feb 16th, 2006, 01:16 PM

We have a 1 aerues the push start is very cool looking but does not allways do what u want it to do if they put it on a mini they need to tweak it abit

Paul · Feb 16th, 2006, 01:24 PM

How do you mean, doesn't always do what you want?

Jordan210 · Feb 16th, 2006, 01:29 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett

How do you mean, doesn't always do what you want?

Some times you put your foot on the clutch and press the buton and insted of startign the engin up it will just turn the inside lights on. also where the key goes the key some times falls out and the car will still start up evan tho there is no key in it stuff like that

Paul · Feb 16th, 2006, 01:37 PM

Sounds like fun! As far as I am aware it's going to be basically the same for the MINI (makes economic sense really), so that might be a bit baffling!

AidenL · Feb 16th, 2006, 02:12 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Jordan210

Some times you put your foot on the clutch and press the buton and insted of startign the engin up it will just turn the inside lights on. also where the key goes the key some times falls out and the car will still start up evan tho there is no key in it stuff like that

Sounds faulty

I never had that hassle with my 325

Its all about Comfort Opening, BMW are standardising this option across their range, not as standard, but as an option, if you follow...........

Jordan210 · Feb 16th, 2006, 02:21 PM

its not faulty it happend on some of the test cars we had lol

it would look cool on a mini

memphisto · Feb 16th, 2006, 02:46 PM

I had a BMW 1 series as a loaner and I wasn’t impressed by the whole keyless thing.

The remote looks like an ugly USB memory stick and once you are in the car you have to push it into a slot in the dashboard. Then you have to depress the clutch, and finally press the START button.

What is the advantage over the traditional - Put key in lock and turn?

AidenL · Feb 16th, 2006, 03:09 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by memphisto

I had a BMW 1 series as a loaner and I wasn’t impressed by the whole keyless thing.

The remote looks like an ugly USB memory stick and once you are in the car you have to push it into a slot in the dashboard. Then you have to depress the clutch, and finally press the START button.

What is the advantage over the traditional - Put key in lock and turn?

Advantage is, with comfort opening, you don't use the key at all - leave it in your pocket, handbag, breifcase, whatever, flick the door handle, the door unlocks, sit in, press the clutch, press the button, drive off - the key never comes into play

Brynster · Feb 16th, 2006, 04:42 PM

Next step: brain implant.

memphisto · Feb 16th, 2006, 05:15 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Aiden

Advantage is, with comfort opening, you don't use the key at all - leave it in your pocket, handbag, breifcase, whatever, flick the door handle, the door unlocks, sit in, press the clutch, press the button, drive off - the key never comes into play

Thanks for that.

Looked at the BMW web site and the option is available on the BMW 1 Series, but at some cost.

Comfort Access system - keyless door entry - £425 !!

bobdobbs · Feb 16th, 2006, 05:53 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Aiden

Advantage is, with comfort opening, you don't use the key at all - leave it in your pocket, handbag, breifcase, whatever, flick the door handle, the door unlocks, sit in, press the clutch, press the button, drive off - the key never comes into play

That would be great -- if MINI offers comfort access. But so far spy shots have only shown the insert-the-fob, press-a-button type systems. With all they're trying to do with the revamp, I wouldn't be surprised if comfort access was left off the options list for a while, leaving the early-adopters with a half-baked system to start their cars (much like some E90 owners, who couldn't get comfort access initially). I hope I'm wrong.

memphisto · Feb 16th, 2006, 06:20 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Aiden

Advantage is, with comfort opening, you don't use the key at all - leave it in your pocket, handbag, breifcase, whatever, flick the door handle, the door unlocks, sit in, press the clutch, press the button, drive off - the key never comes into play

Just had another thought.

Why do you have to depress the clutch before starting the engine. Surely, it would be easier for the electronics to check the gearbox was in neutral before starting it?

MarkW19 · Feb 16th, 2006, 06:21 PM

I think it's for security...

bobdobbs · Feb 16th, 2006, 10:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by memphisto

Why do you have to depress the clutch before starting the engine. Surely, it would be easier for the electronics to check the gearbox was in neutral before starting it?

Definitely not easier. There's a switch on the clutch pedal telling the computer it's state. Is there anything comparable on the tranny? Even if there were, either flag is as easy to read as the other.

badboyzbadboyz · Feb 16th, 2006, 10:58 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by memphisto

Thanks for that.

Looked at the BMW web site and the option is available on the BMW 1 Series, but at some cost.

Comfort Access system - keyless door entry - £425 !!

BMW really are stuck in the dark ages. My girlfriends £9,000 Nissan Micra has this feature as standard. I'm surprised the 1 series doesn't come with a tape cassette only, rather like my 2004 £15,800 MINI Cooper S did

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"Reedy" Lost in Mini2 My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 03:13 AM Posts: 923 Offline	Mini 07 starter button instead of key Just been looking around on the web for info on 2007 mini, found out that it might have a starter button instead of a key, has anyone else heard that,? JCW Black R105 - JCW Strut - More Mods Soon...

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"Reedy" Lost in Mini2 My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 03:13 AM Posts: 923 Offline	I think the starter button will be incorperated within the centre console, speedo area. JCW Black R105 - JCW Strut - More Mods Soon...

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AidenL Nice TTs......... Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: On The Coast........ Local Time: 03:13 AM Posts: 42,147 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Jordan210 Some times you put your foot on the clutch and press the buton and insted of startign the engin up it will just turn the inside lights on. also where the key goes the key some times falls out and the car will still start up evan tho there is no key in it stuff like that Sounds faulty I never had that hassle with my 325 Its all about Comfort Opening, BMW are standardising this option across their range, not as standard, but as an option, if you follow........... *Global Moderator*

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AidenL Nice TTs......... Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: On The Coast........ Local Time: 03:13 AM Posts: 42,147 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by memphisto I had a BMW 1 series as a loaner and I wasn’t impressed by the whole keyless thing. The remote looks like an ugly USB memory stick and once you are in the car you have to push it into a slot in the dashboard. Then you have to depress the clutch, and finally press the START button. What is the advantage over the traditional - Put key in lock and turn? Advantage is, with comfort opening, you don't use the key at all - leave it in your pocket, handbag, breifcase, whatever, flick the door handle, the door unlocks, sit in, press the clutch, press the button, drive off - the key never comes into play *Global Moderator*

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Feb 15th, 2006, 09:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
MarkW19 Grinning Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds Local Time: 03:13 AM Posts: 3,831 Offline	Wouldn't suprise me! Keyless entry with a starter button, fairly standard these days. Plus the "official" JCW retrofit starter button has just come out.

Feb 15th, 2006, 09:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
MarkW19 Grinning Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds Local Time: 03:13 AM Posts: 3,831 Offline	The JCW one is, there's a thread on it somewhere...

Feb 16th, 2006, 12:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 03:13 AM Posts: 40,555 Offline	It will be pretty much as described in the various concept reports in the MINI2 news section (Concept Detroit, Frankfurt etc.) similar (almost the same as I think) the BMW 1 Series I believe.

Feb 16th, 2006, 01:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
Jordan210 Cyber Police My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In your House ! Local Time: 03:13 AM Posts: 9,535 Offline	We have a 1 aerues the push start is very cool looking but does not allways do what u want it to do if they put it on a mini they need to tweak it abit

Feb 16th, 2006, 01:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 03:13 AM Posts: 40,555 Offline	How do you mean, doesn't always do what you want?

Feb 16th, 2006, 01:29 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jordan210 Cyber Police My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In your House ! Local Time: 03:13 AM Posts: 9,535 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett How do you mean, doesn't always do what you want? Some times you put your foot on the clutch and press the buton and insted of startign the engin up it will just turn the inside lights on. also where the key goes the key some times falls out and the car will still start up evan tho there is no key in it stuff like that

Feb 16th, 2006, 01:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 03:13 AM Posts: 40,555 Offline	Sounds like fun! As far as I am aware it's going to be basically the same for the MINI (makes economic sense really), so that might be a bit baffling!

Feb 16th, 2006, 02:21 PM	#11 (permalink)
Jordan210 Cyber Police My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In your House ! Local Time: 03:13 AM Posts: 9,535 Offline	its not faulty it happend on some of the test cars we had lol it would look cool on a mini

Feb 16th, 2006, 02:46 PM	#12 (permalink)
memphisto MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bucks Local Time: 03:13 AM Posts: 166 Offline	I had a BMW 1 series as a loaner and I wasn’t impressed by the whole keyless thing. The remote looks like an ugly USB memory stick and once you are in the car you have to push it into a slot in the dashboard. Then you have to depress the clutch, and finally press the START button. What is the advantage over the traditional - Put key in lock and turn?

Feb 16th, 2006, 04:42 PM	#14 (permalink)
Brynster No guts, no glory! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Wiltshire Local Time: 02:13 AM Posts: 572 Offline	Next step: brain implant.

Feb 16th, 2006, 05:15 PM	#15 (permalink)
memphisto MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bucks Local Time: 03:13 AM Posts: 166 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Aiden Advantage is, with comfort opening, you don't use the key at all - leave it in your pocket, handbag, breifcase, whatever, flick the door handle, the door unlocks, sit in, press the clutch, press the button, drive off - the key never comes into play Thanks for that. Looked at the BMW web site and the option is available on the BMW 1 Series, but at some cost. Comfort Access system - keyless door entry - £425 !!

Feb 16th, 2006, 05:53 PM	#16 (permalink)
bobdobbs MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Castro Valley, CA Local Time: 07:13 PM Posts: 38 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Aiden Advantage is, with comfort opening, you don't use the key at all - leave it in your pocket, handbag, breifcase, whatever, flick the door handle, the door unlocks, sit in, press the clutch, press the button, drive off - the key never comes into play That would be great -- if MINI offers comfort access. But so far spy shots have only shown the insert-the-fob, press-a-button type systems. With all they're trying to do with the revamp, I wouldn't be surprised if comfort access was left off the options list for a while, leaving the early-adopters with a half-baked system to start their cars (much like some E90 owners, who couldn't get comfort access initially). I hope I'm wrong.

Feb 16th, 2006, 06:20 PM	#17 (permalink)
memphisto MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bucks Local Time: 03:13 AM Posts: 166 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Aiden Advantage is, with comfort opening, you don't use the key at all - leave it in your pocket, handbag, breifcase, whatever, flick the door handle, the door unlocks, sit in, press the clutch, press the button, drive off - the key never comes into play Just had another thought. Why do you have to depress the clutch before starting the engine. Surely, it would be easier for the electronics to check the gearbox was in neutral before starting it?

Feb 16th, 2006, 06:21 PM	#18 (permalink)
MarkW19 Grinning Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds Local Time: 03:13 AM Posts: 3,831 Offline	I think it's for security...

Feb 16th, 2006, 10:44 PM	#19 (permalink)
bobdobbs MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Castro Valley, CA Local Time: 07:13 PM Posts: 38 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by memphisto Why do you have to depress the clutch before starting the engine. Surely, it would be easier for the electronics to check the gearbox was in neutral before starting it? Definitely not easier. There's a switch on the clutch pedal telling the computer it's state. Is there anything comparable on the tranny? Even if there were, either flag is as easy to read as the other.

Feb 16th, 2006, 10:58 PM	#20 (permalink)
badboyzbadboyz MINI2 Jedi Master Join Date: May 2003 Local Time: 02:13 AM Posts: 1,257 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by memphisto Thanks for that. Looked at the BMW web site and the option is available on the BMW 1 Series, but at some cost. Comfort Access system - keyless door entry - £425 !! BMW really are stuck in the dark ages. My girlfriends £9,000 Nissan Micra has this feature as standard. I'm surprised the 1 series doesn't come with a tape cassette only, rather like my 2004 £15,800 MINI Cooper S did

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