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Paul · Feb 28th, 2007, 11:04 PM

The best sauces suggest the "big one" is still very much on it's way.... Later......

Rakey · Feb 28th, 2007, 11:07 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original)

The best sauces suggest the "big one" is still very much on it's way.... Later......

Is that direct from HP or heinz?

Olly. · Feb 28th, 2007, 11:11 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey (original)

Correct, sound kit for the MCS, with a hint of power like there used to be on the Cooper

I'm sure you know the rest mate, and it wouldn't have been in the MINI2 news all those months ago about a seperate model if it wasn't happening

Yep know exactly what you mean. I just for a minute thought that this was the JCW car

Now I just need to find out how much this stage 1 kit is

MAD Always · Mar 1st, 2007, 05:24 AM

John Cooper Works Tuning Kit for the MINI Cooper S

Sir Johnaraz · Mar 1st, 2007, 11:02 AM

I am waiting to see the actual components, since it seems a bit pricey (1700 Euro without fitting)

LMB · Mar 1st, 2007, 12:20 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Aberdeen Al (original)

"...there will be a 4 x 4 variant with a possible 250 bhp (for starters) and a wide arch body kit..."

Now that sounds more like it.

wow · Mar 1st, 2007, 12:37 PM

Does anyone have a picture of the components?

Does the Stage 1 MINI R56 Cooper S 200bhp stand a chance against the R53 Cooper S JCW 210 BHP?

Rakey · Mar 3rd, 2007, 11:17 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by wow (original)

Does anyone have a picture of the components?

Does the Stage 1 MINI R56 Cooper S 200bhp stand a chance against the R53 Cooper S JCW 210 BHP?

I'd say yes, as even the standard MCS is just as quick as the old 210 JCW

Evo · Mar 3rd, 2007, 05:32 PM

Just for the record. John Cooper Garage is no longer British? I think I heard that it was bought by BMW?

Paul · Mar 3rd, 2007, 05:38 PM

Quite some time ago now yes. So it matches the MINI now.

Simon Syddall · Mar 8th, 2007, 08:33 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Aberdeen Al (original)

I popped into our local Mini dealer this afternoon as I was trying to kill some time whilst my front tyres were being replaced and he said.....

"...the Mini Traveller will be available early next year..."

and

"...the JCW will be in 2 stages a 200 / 220 bhp option..."

and

"...there will be a 4 x 4 variant with a possible 250 bhp (for starters) and a wide arch body kit..."

Remember I'm only the messenger!!!

I've been shot down for saying this before - can't remember the counter arguement, because I didn't agree........

These things take months in concept, design, testing, type approval and other bureaucratic crap. So, they ARE known about, well in advance.

Why aren't ALL the dealers properly briefed and allowed to give out the info? Surely, that gets more interest, more orders, more deposits, more £££ ??!!

Selected "leaks" to dubious press hacks, just result in their views and opinions and mis-information, which don't sell cars to me. It won't make me go to the hidious overcrowded debacles, badged as "car shows", either. I just want to go and have a coffee and a chat with my dealer.

I have found MINI sales people a committed and enthusiastic bunch (let down by ***** support from MINI and sometimes ***** service departments) and MINI owners very brand loyal. Surely that is more of an asset, than someone whose favorite car changes each week?

scottp7 · Mar 29th, 2007, 12:36 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Aberdeen Al (original)

I popped into our local Mini dealer this afternoon as I was trying to kill some time whilst my front tyres were being replaced and he said.....

"...the Mini Traveller will be available early next year..."

and

"...the JCW will be in 2 stages a 200 / 220 bhp option..."

and

"...there will be a 4 x 4 variant with a possible 250 bhp (for starters) and a wide arch body kit..."

Remember I'm only the messenger!!!

lol a 4 x 4 Mini, makes sense

they would be stupid if they released something like that and surely it wud look butt ugly. Whats next in the pipeline i wonder!!

BMW Mini MPV?

Paul · Mar 29th, 2007, 09:30 AM

Bit like the Moke, but with proper 4WD?

Guran · Apr 4th, 2007, 07:25 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by scottp7 (original)

lol a 4 x 4 Mini, makes sense

they would be stupid if they released something like that and surely it wud look butt ugly. Whats next in the pipeline i wonder!!

BMW Mini MPV?

Hmm, I think you might be missing the point. Rather than "4x4" I suspect they're talking about "AWD" = all-wheel drive. You know, like Mitsu EVO and Subaru WRX STi - seriously quick stuff! This is a great way for the R56 to cope with more power ... without shredding front tyres, that is, provided the AWD doesn't add too much weight. Imagine 250hp/185kW on a kerb weight of say 1230kg (100kg more than R56 MCS), is good for 6.6kg/kW which I estimate to mean a 0-100km/hr time of around 5.5s thanks to increased traction with AWD. That's a match for EVO and WRX STi ... from a MINI!!!

Bring it on!

jef the ref · Apr 5th, 2007, 08:14 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Guran (original)

Hmm, I think you might be missing the point. Rather than "4x4" I suspect they're talking about "AWD" = all-wheel drive. You know, like Mitsu EVO and Subaru WRX STi - seriously quick stuff! This is a great way for the R56 to cope with more power ... without shredding front tyres, that is, provided the AWD doesn't add too much weight. Imagine 250hp/185kW on a kerb weight of say 1230kg (100kg more than R56 MCS), is good for 6.6kg/kW which I estimate to mean a 0-100km/hr time of around 5.5s thanks to increased traction with AWD. That's a match for EVO and WRX STi ... from a MINI!!!

Bring it on!

An AWD Mini sounds fantastic, it may well also see the return of the Mini to Rallying!!!!

Bring it on, I want one, where can I place my order?

Jef

DerekH · Apr 7th, 2007, 09:14 PM

Jef take it easy Mini ios just teasing i bet to keep us all waiting typical BMW , must agree though 250 Horses in a mini you would have to call it the Mini Cooper Hell Razer

sam_a156 · Apr 21st, 2007, 01:07 PM

Rather than a AWD, I'd rather go for the Renault Clio V6 route. I mean, how cool is that? Take a standard family hatchback, ditch common sense (among other things) and do this:

Renault Clio V6

Have to give it to Renault, they had some cojones. Hope BMW could be as brave. The back seats are pretty useless anyway

Tone · Apr 21st, 2007, 05:03 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by sam_a156 (original)

Rather than a AWD, I'd rather go for the Renault Clio V6 route. I mean, how cool is that? Take a standard family hatchback, ditch common sense (among other things) and do this:

Renault Clio V6

Have to give it to Renault, they had some cojones. Hope BMW could be as brave. The back seats are pretty useless anyway

I note that the Clio is the current model, as the report is dated March, 2004. Can't recollect seeing any on the road, have you? Still, we're a docile lot in the south

sam_a156 · Apr 22nd, 2007, 12:00 AM

Nope, haven't seen them on the road really. Seems to be a sort of collectors' item. Mostly read about it in some mags, incl Evo. I do not think that this was really business for Renault, but in my mind that just underlines the point

It is refreshing when the bean counters do not always have the last word...

jez_MCSc · May 29th, 2007, 04:47 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tone (original)

I note that the Clio is the current model, as the report is dated March, 2004. Can't recollect seeing any on the road, have you? Still, we're a docile lot in the south

There are a couple V6 Clios running about in Bristol! Not that many generally though, think I've seen about 4-5 since they came out in about 2002. Awesome car for thrills I would have thought

Feb 28th, 2007, 11:04 PM	#21
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Big grey box Local Time: 02:40 AM Posts: 40,514 Offline	The best sauces suggest the "big one" is still very much on it's way.... Later...... Trained Monkeys

Feb 28th, 2007, 11:07 PM	#22 (permalink)
Rakey Remember My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 02:40 AM Posts: 50,153 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original) The best sauces suggest the "big one" is still very much on it's way.... Later...... Is that direct from HP or heinz? The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

Mar 1st, 2007, 05:24 AM	#24 (permalink)
MAD Always Mini Tragic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Menai, Sydney Local Time: 12:40 PM Posts: 491 Offline	Stage One R56 JCW Kit John Cooper Works Tuning Kit for the MINI Cooper S Last edited by Paul : Mar 1st, 2007 at 09:11 AM.

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LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 02:40 AM Posts: 23,749 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Aberdeen Al (original) "...there will be a 4 x 4 variant with a possible 250 bhp (for starters) and a wide arch body kit..." Now that sounds more like it. Global Moderator

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wow MINI2 Senior Join Date: Apr 2003 Local Time: 04:40 AM Posts: 584 Offline	Does anyone have a picture of the components? Does the Stage 1 MINI R56 Cooper S 200bhp stand a chance against the R53 Cooper S JCW 210 BHP? MINI, it is a way of life.

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Feb 28th, 2007, 11:11 PM	#23 (permalink)
Olly. Overboosting..... Join Date: Sep 2003 Local Time: 03:40 AM Posts: 3,458 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey (original) Correct, sound kit for the MCS, with a hint of power like there used to be on the Cooper I'm sure you know the rest mate, and it wouldn't have been in the MINI2 news all those months ago about a seperate model if it wasn't happening Yep know exactly what you mean. I just for a minute thought that this was the JCW car Now I just need to find out how much this stage 1 kit is

Mar 1st, 2007, 11:02 AM	#25 (permalink)
Sir Johnaraz Greek Mini My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London Local Time: 03:40 AM Posts: 188 Offline	I am waiting to see the actual components, since it seems a bit pricey (1700 Euro without fitting)

Mar 3rd, 2007, 11:17 AM	#28 (permalink)
Rakey Remember My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 02:40 AM Posts: 50,153 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by wow (original) Does anyone have a picture of the components? Does the Stage 1 MINI R56 Cooper S 200bhp stand a chance against the R53 Cooper S JCW 210 BHP? I'd say yes, as even the standard MCS is just as quick as the old 210 JCW The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

Mar 3rd, 2007, 05:32 PM	#29 (permalink)
Evo MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Dec 2006 Local Time: 02:40 AM Posts: 23 Offline	Just for the record. John Cooper Garage is no longer British? I think I heard that it was bought by BMW?

Mar 3rd, 2007, 05:38 PM	#30 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Big grey box Local Time: 02:40 AM Posts: 40,514 Offline	Quite some time ago now yes. So it matches the MINI now. Trained Monkeys

Mar 8th, 2007, 08:33 PM	#31 (permalink)
Simon Syddall Syd My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Lincolnshire Local Time: 02:40 AM Posts: 112 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Aberdeen Al (original) I popped into our local Mini dealer this afternoon as I was trying to kill some time whilst my front tyres were being replaced and he said..... "...the Mini Traveller will be available early next year..." and "...the JCW will be in 2 stages a 200 / 220 bhp option..." and "...there will be a 4 x 4 variant with a possible 250 bhp (for starters) and a wide arch body kit..." Remember I'm only the messenger!!! I've been shot down for saying this before - can't remember the counter arguement, because I didn't agree........ These things take months in concept, design, testing, type approval and other bureaucratic crap. So, they ARE known about, well in advance. Why aren't ALL the dealers properly briefed and allowed to give out the info? Surely, that gets more interest, more orders, more deposits, more £££ ??!! Selected "leaks" to dubious press hacks, just result in their views and opinions and mis-information, which don't sell cars to me. It won't make me go to the hidious overcrowded debacles, badged as "car shows", either. I just want to go and have a coffee and a chat with my dealer. I have found MINI sales people a committed and enthusiastic bunch (let down by *** support from MINI and sometimes *** service departments) and MINI owners very brand loyal. Surely that is more of an asset, than someone whose favorite car changes each week? UNLESS YOU LIVE LIFE ON THE EDGE, YOU ARE TAKING UP TOO MUCH SPACE

Mar 29th, 2007, 12:36 AM	#32 (permalink)
scottp7 Kernow Mini Man My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cornwall Local Time: 02:40 AM Posts: 168 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Aberdeen Al (original) I popped into our local Mini dealer this afternoon as I was trying to kill some time whilst my front tyres were being replaced and he said..... "...the Mini Traveller will be available early next year..." and "...the JCW will be in 2 stages a 200 / 220 bhp option..." and "...there will be a 4 x 4 variant with a possible 250 bhp (for starters) and a wide arch body kit..." Remember I'm only the messenger!!! lol a 4 x 4 Mini, makes sense they would be stupid if they released something like that and surely it wud look butt ugly. Whats next in the pipeline i wonder!! BMW Mini MPV?

Mar 29th, 2007, 09:30 AM	#33 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Big grey box Local Time: 02:40 AM Posts: 40,514 Offline	Bit like the Moke, but with proper 4WD? Trained Monkeys

Apr 4th, 2007, 07:25 AM	#34 (permalink)
Guran MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wollongong Local Time: 01:40 PM Posts: 205 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by scottp7 (original) lol a 4 x 4 Mini, makes sense they would be stupid if they released something like that and surely it wud look butt ugly. Whats next in the pipeline i wonder!! BMW Mini MPV? Hmm, I think you might be missing the point. Rather than "4x4" I suspect they're talking about "AWD" = all-wheel drive. You know, like Mitsu EVO and Subaru WRX STi - seriously quick stuff! This is a great way for the R56 to cope with more power ... without shredding front tyres, that is, provided the AWD doesn't add too much weight. Imagine 250hp/185kW on a kerb weight of say 1230kg (100kg more than R56 MCS), is good for 6.6kg/kW which I estimate to mean a 0-100km/hr time of around 5.5s thanks to increased traction with AWD. That's a match for EVO and WRX STi ... from a MINI!!! Bring it on!

Apr 5th, 2007, 08:14 AM	#35 (permalink)
jef the ref MCS SS/B Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cheshire Local Time: 02:40 AM Posts: 75 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Guran (original) Hmm, I think you might be missing the point. Rather than "4x4" I suspect they're talking about "AWD" = all-wheel drive. You know, like Mitsu EVO and Subaru WRX STi - seriously quick stuff! This is a great way for the R56 to cope with more power ... without shredding front tyres, that is, provided the AWD doesn't add too much weight. Imagine 250hp/185kW on a kerb weight of say 1230kg (100kg more than R56 MCS), is good for 6.6kg/kW which I estimate to mean a 0-100km/hr time of around 5.5s thanks to increased traction with AWD. That's a match for EVO and WRX STi ... from a MINI!!! Bring it on! An AWD Mini sounds fantastic, it may well also see the return of the Mini to Rallying!!!! Bring it on, I want one, where can I place my order? Jef

Apr 7th, 2007, 09:14 PM	#36 (permalink)
DerekH MINI2 Master Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fraserburgh Local Time: 03:40 AM Posts: 827 Offline	Jef take it easy Mini ios just teasing i bet to keep us all waiting typical BMW , must agree though 250 Horses in a mini you would have to call it the Mini Cooper Hell Razer

Apr 21st, 2007, 01:07 PM	#37 (permalink)
sam_a156 Flying Finn My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Warsaw Local Time: 03:40 AM Posts: 371 Offline	Rather than a AWD, I'd rather go for the Renault Clio V6 route. I mean, how cool is that? Take a standard family hatchback, ditch common sense (among other things) and do this: Renault Clio V6 Have to give it to Renault, they had some cojones. Hope BMW could be as brave. The back seats are pretty useless anyway

Apr 21st, 2007, 05:03 PM	#38 (permalink)
Tone MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Dorset, U.K. Local Time: 03:40 AM Posts: 5,780 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by sam_a156 (original) Rather than a AWD, I'd rather go for the Renault Clio V6 route. I mean, how cool is that? Take a standard family hatchback, ditch common sense (among other things) and do this: Renault Clio V6 Have to give it to Renault, they had some cojones. Hope BMW could be as brave. The back seats are pretty useless anyway I note that the Clio is the current model, as the report is dated March, 2004. Can't recollect seeing any on the road, have you? Still, we're a docile lot in the south "I get by with a little help from my friends"

Apr 22nd, 2007, 12:00 AM	#39 (permalink)
sam_a156 Flying Finn My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Warsaw Local Time: 03:40 AM Posts: 371 Offline	Nope, haven't seen them on the road really. Seems to be a sort of collectors' item. Mostly read about it in some mags, incl Evo. I do not think that this was really business for Renault, but in my mind that just underlines the point It is refreshing when the bean counters do not always have the last word...

May 29th, 2007, 04:47 PM	#40 (permalink)
jez_MCSc MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bristol Local Time: 02:40 AM Posts: 128 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Tone (original) I note that the Clio is the current model, as the report is dated March, 2004. Can't recollect seeing any on the road, have you? Still, we're a docile lot in the south There are a couple V6 Clios running about in Bristol! Not that many generally though, think I've seen about 4-5 since they came out in about 2002. Awesome car for thrills I would have thought

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