[anissut]

So, the 192 bhp does sound very tempting. Regardless of any future stage tuning kits or even a completely new JCW car in 2008 I still can't help thinking about just putting the cash on the table and upgrading to 192bhp. Is anyone else having similar thoughts? I might sound my dealer out to find out when it is officially available and how much it is actually going to cost. Does anyone else have any idea of what kind of performance figures we can expect? 0.2-0.5 secs knocked off to 60mph? 145mpg top speed?

Alternatively just wait for GTT or Lohen to release their tuning kits as I'm sure they will be better value for money but most importantly they won't be warrantied and I question whether the TLC will consequently be upheld.

Any thoughts?

[popey]

Im thinking the same now .

BUT when can I have it done????

[m1m0]

Yesssssss... we need answers. Mid-2007 has been banded about - isnt that only a few weeks off? Shouldn't we have some more information from MINI by now? Especially now the ONE and Cooper D releases are out of the way with.

[frd]

Anyone have any idea on prices? I've read some other threads and everyone seems clueless. Any inside info someone might be willing to share?

[Rocco9999]

I read 3000 Euros so about £2000 plus fitting?
Bit pricey, but as has been said I woudlnt want to loose my warranty so what choice do I have?

Quote: Originally Posted by frd (original)

Anyone have any idea on prices? I've read some other threads and everyone seems clueless. Any inside info someone might be willing to share?

[anissut]

I can certainly see the benefit of the JCW kit in terms of warranty, branding etc. but part of me thinks that a Militek/Quicksilver exhaust, a remap (when a reputed company starts to do them), and an induction kit would take the Cooper S above 192bhp anyway, maybe closer to 200bhp. I don't think Mini would invalidate your total warranty if you have an aftermarket exhaust and induction kit and they wouldn't even know about the remap. I can imagine if you went down that route you're talking maybe £1000-1200 all in fitted incl. vat and probably 200bhp and upwards against the JCW route which will probably come in at £2000-2500 fitted incl. vat. For half the price that maybe the route to go down.

[msh441]

I heard the figure was going to be between $2000 and $3000 (USD) installed.

If that turns out to be accurate & includes the intake, exhaust and an ECU map to accomodate the chage... give a HP boost to 192 and boosts the torque up... all while maintaining my factoy warranty. I'd be on the list to get it done, fore sure!

[Rocco9999]

yeah you're right they did change the law to say that the Manufacturer had to prove that the modification caused the failure. So an exhaust is irrelevant but the intake could invalidate any future engine claims as they could say it didnt filter well enough?

Still it didnt stop me fitting one to my 53 plate Civic type R and then taking it off when it went back to the dealers

The problem with the remap is if the delaer ever tried to re-flash your ECU come service time they would either get a shock or simply remove the upgrade!

i hope its £1500 fitted then I would probably go for it. Would it be classed as an aftermarket mod with the insurers?

Quote: Originally Posted by anissut (original)

I can certainly see the benefit of the JCW kit in terms of warranty, branding etc. but part of me thinks that a Militek/Quicksilver exhaust, a remap (when a reputed company starts to do them), and an induction kit would take the Cooper S above 192bhp anyway, maybe closer to 200bhp. I don't think Mini would invalidate your total warranty if you have an aftermarket exhaust and induction kit and they wouldn't even know about the remap. I can imagine if you went down that route you're talking maybe £1000-1200 all in fitted incl. vat and probably 200bhp and upwards against the JCW route which will probably come in at £2000-2500 fitted incl. vat. For half the price that maybe the route to go down.

[zyo]

While these mods might not invalidate your warranty, technically speaking it should invalidate your TLC. MINI run the TLC and according to the book any performance tuning will invalidate the TLC sevice pack. I know there are friendly dealers that will overlook the aftermarket tuning but expensive as it maybe (relatively) the JCW will keep your TLC intact..

[wiggis]

I have it from a reasonably trusted source that the R56 MCS engine will not take a significant amount of tuning above the standard specification - around 10% to 15% was what I was told - before stuff starts breaking. Apparently the block cannot take much more than that and remain reliable in the long term, and the turbo is already running at nearly maximum boost for its size. Basically, the engine was designed with that power output level in mind and not much more.

I am also told that while there will be a mild tuning kit for the R56 MCS, there will also be a future properly 'hot' R56 MCS JCW edition, but it will use a different engine to the rest of the range, able to generate a lot more power reliably - 240 bhp was mentioned as the target output.

Giving too much away already

When I can get an R56 Cooper S with 240 bhp and a reliable engine, I will part with my GP

[scone]

Will it be 2 wheel drive or 4 wheel drive , or would that sort of information put your source in danger.

[Tone]

Quote: Originally Posted by wiggis (original)

I am also told that while there will be a mild tuning kit for the R56 MCS, there will also be a future properly 'hot' R56 MCS JCW edition, but it will use a different engine to the rest of the range, able to generate a lot more power reliably - 240 bhp was mentioned as the target output.

Giving too much away already

When I can get an R56 Cooper S with 240 bhp and a reliable engine, I will part with my GP

A different engine? Ver-y int-er-est-ing...

[BMWF1]

Considering that many people have found the stock R56 S to be producing well over its stock claims, wouldnt this mild tune then equate to an equal increase from those dyno specs we have heard about? Consider: the JCW kit may claim "only" 192 horsepower but it wouldnt surprise me to hear that, like the stock car, the actual number is closer to 200-210. And even so I strongly doubt that many people would drive the 192 horsepower version and 210 horsepower version and then insist on the 210. Having tuned my MX-5 to produce a little more than 15 horsepower at the crank, I can tell you that these sorts of increases generally end up being powerband tuners more than raw power increases. The engine will rev smoother, sound different, and perform, generally, racier. But I think a lot of people expect 10 horsepower to be something a lot more than it actually is.

As for me, 192 horsepower would be plenty in this car. As Tom Ford said on Fifth Gear, "that's about as fast as I would want to go in a MINI."

[pipedream72]

Folks, just for your info...I've spoken to two dealers in the last couple of days about the 192bhp kit. The one in Southampton weren't aware of it at all. Then spoke to dealer in Portsmouth who knew of the kit and the german press release and offered to call central mini sales to find out if there was any update. He came back to me saying that the UK press release was currently undergoing sign-off but no news on price or availability date as of yet....

He did say though that it would be a dealer fit option so I'm guessing that we could all go back and get it fitted retrospectively at no greater cost than if fitted prior to delivery.

I want to spec it as part of a company car order so its all the more frustrating for me as I need to wait for it to be available at the time that I submit my order. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhh

Steve.

[madadd]

Quote: Originally Posted by pipedream72 (original)

Folks, just for your info...I've spoken to two dealers in the last couple of days about the 192bhp kit. The one in Southampton weren't aware of it at all. Then spoke to dealer in Portsmouth who knew of the kit and the german press release and offered to call central mini sales to find out if there was any update. He came back to me saying that the UK press release was currently undergoing sign-off but no news on price or availability date as of yet....

He did say though that it would be a dealer fit option so I'm guessing that we could all go back and get it fitted retrospectively at no greater cost than if fitted prior to delivery.

I want to spec it as part of a company car order so its all the more frustrating for me as I need to wait for it to be available at the time that I submit my order. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhh

Steve.

My dealer says next year! Or rather he says 'not this year!'. But I seemed to know considerably more than he did about it! (2 dealerships I questioned).

My order is in for September 1st. They cateogrically stated it won't be available by then either!

...Mad

[Tone]

Quote: Originally Posted by BMWF1 (original)

As for me, 192 horsepower would be plenty in this car. As Tom Ford said on Fifth Gear, "that's about as fast as I would want to go in a MINI."

Okay, I'd drink to that, but with a few more bells and whistles, perhaps to make it look a little less cutesy...