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ClaudioMartins · May 15th, 2007, 12:15 PM

I was browsing the web and found this....

"Mini JCW
A hot-hatch Mini, to be the fastest-yet, developed by John Cooper Works, to be built alongside the mainstream Minis at Cowley. It's thought to have a 220-225bhp twin-turbo engine (a version of the single-turbo 1.6, which can be boosted up to 192bhp with the existing JCW tuning kit). Unveiling at the Mini United rally in June is rumoured."

This is under a list of cars coming out in 2007

How many of you think this is true

Link:
Future models: 2007 - 4Car Feature - from Channel 4

FergusM · May 15th, 2007, 12:53 PM

well sounds about right as they do the twin turbo on the BMW 335i.... suppose we'll just have o wait and see.

cct1 · May 15th, 2007, 02:43 PM

That makes alot of sense, especially keeping in mind that there is a school of thought that the current twin scroll turbo is closed to maxed out as is; the stage I, while adding significant improvement, isn't an earth shattering jump in performance.

CC07ERS · May 17th, 2007, 05:30 PM

Just more speculation nothin concrete as usual.

mister.t · May 17th, 2007, 07:27 PM

Bring back the older blower

Then times it by two

Mozza · May 17th, 2007, 08:43 PM

Gabe from Motoringfile.com has indicated he's recently received information that says the new JCW factory R56 MCS will not be available for "several years". Let's hope this is not true.

Tone · May 18th, 2007, 01:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Mozza (original)

Gabe from Motoringfile.com has indicated he's recently received information that says the new JCW factory R56 MCS will not be available for "several years". Let's hope this is not true.

Bet she's being kidded along. Why wait years for the top o' the range? Nah, Rakey [and he knows

] says present position is an anticipated launch around next March. So - if the suspension is a bit lower, and it gets more bells and whistles, not forgetting a great power surge, it'll look less Fisher-Price and more the bees' knees. Get in the queue, everyone...

Cape Cod MINI · May 18th, 2007, 02:19 PM

Never happen, IMHO. Too much trouble and too risky for MINI to do it.
My fiver says it's all engine managment, turbo back w/ high flo cat, and intake.

gabe · May 18th, 2007, 07:23 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Mozza (original)

Gabe from Motoringfile.com has indicated he's recently received information that says the new JCW factory R56 MCS will not be available for "several years". Let's hope this is not true.

May want to go back to re-read that.... I revised my statement when I saw it was being taken the wrong way.

Mozza · May 18th, 2007, 10:19 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by gabe (original)

May want to go back to re-read that.... I revised my statement when I saw it was being taken the wrong way.

Just reread your edit, so you're saying you didn't say that with any solid evidence to back it up. Gabe you don't seem the sort to just 'spout off', in all your articles you seem a remarkably level headed guy so I'm assuming you are making the assumption that the R56 factory JCW won't be released for 'several years yet' on some sort of information. Care to share it with us?

gabe · May 19th, 2007, 03:30 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Mozza (original)

Just reread your edit, so you're saying you didn't say that with any solid evidence to back it up. Gabe you don't seem the sort to just 'spout off', in all your articles you seem a remarkably level headed guy so I'm assuming you are making the assumption that the R56 factory JCW won't be released for 'several years yet' on some sort of information. Care to share it with us?

I'm sorry to seem to coy about this. But I guess the point I want to get across is that I have no concrete information since the article I published a few months ago on MotoringFile: Future JCW Vehicles

And based on that, the stage one is what we're seeing in July. That's the car I'll be personally getting. Hope that helps.

madadd · May 21st, 2007, 01:48 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by gabe (original)

I'm sorry to seem to coy about this. But I guess the point I want to get across is that I have no concrete information since the article I published a few months ago on MotoringFile:

And based on that, the stage one is what we're seeing in July. That's the car I'll be personally getting. Hope that helps.

Ordered my MCS on Friday last for September 1st. Asked about the works tuning kit (as we all now know its on its way!). I said, can I order it now, or if available before September, I'll have it.

Was told "I've spoken to mini this morning, and it won't be here this year. It is still being tested!".

If thats the case, then a full JCW car def won't be this year.

Moreover, a twin turbo on a MCS! I'll bet my car that doesnt happen!

...Mad

Ant FR · May 31st, 2007, 11:59 AM

it will never happen. general consensus on new mini is it would need a new bigger turbo on it to get anything over 210bhp. Can't see the development costs allowing it to happen.

johnnyv · May 31st, 2007, 08:00 PM

IMHO judging by what has been said about the 207 RC (not the GTI which has 175bhp) the RC is also surmised to have about 200-220bhp.
Same engine

both parties BMW + PSA working towards the same sort of power output

I reckon BMW will go the root of a larger turbo coupled with increased flow from Intake to Exhaust ie. airfilter, free flow cylinder head, injectors, free flow exhaust manifold (keeping it twin scroll), free flow cat and back box.

Does anyone reckon on a turbo fitted to the R56 being like the Porsche variable vane turbo.... ??? it's only an idea.......

expensive but it would be nice

.

wow · Jun 1st, 2007, 11:48 AM

Claudio, i hope channel 4 is correct as i am craving for the new JCW.

Based on my experince from my current R56 Cooper S the JCW version has to have 4 Wheel drive. The torque steer in my current car is insane and that is only from 250nm of torque!

I think it is a given that the new JCW will have blackend light housings for the front lights like on the Millionth MINI. The body kit will be completly diffrent from the current JCW kit and the air duct on the hood will be used to cool something down. My opinion no facts to back up these claims.

If they wanted to launch the JCW in June we would have seen a couple test cars by now.

scottp7 · Jun 12th, 2007, 03:37 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by madadd (original)

Moreover, a twin turbo on a MCS! I'll bet my car that doesnt happen!

...Mad

sounds good to me

Rocco9999 · Jun 19th, 2007, 11:52 AM

Quote:

I reckon BMW will go the root of a larger turbo coupled with increased flow from Intake to Exhaust ie. airfilter, free flow cylinder head, injectors, free flow exhaust manifold (keeping it twin scroll), free flow cat and back box.

Dont mean to be an @rse but free flow cylinder head isnt worth while with forced induction...

but you are right about PSA-BMW engine similarities.

DOnt forget BMW just want the cheapest option with the least testing involved and fewest parts to release.

May 15th, 2007, 12:15 PM	#1
ClaudioMartins MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Local Time: 06:29 PM Posts: 6 Offline	R56 JCW a twin turbo? I was browsing the web and found this.... "Mini JCW A hot-hatch Mini, to be the fastest-yet, developed by John Cooper Works, to be built alongside the mainstream Minis at Cowley. It's thought to have a 220-225bhp twin-turbo engine (a version of the single-turbo 1.6, which can be boosted up to 192bhp with the existing JCW tuning kit). Unveiling at the Mini United rally in June is rumoured." This is under a list of cars coming out in 2007 How many of you think this is true Link: Future models: 2007 - 4Car Feature - from Channel 4

May 17th, 2007, 07:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
mister.t Dodgey, er, dodgem driver Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nowhere exciting Local Time: 05:29 PM Posts: 3,935 Offline	Bring back the older blower Then times it by two A dream can only become a reality if you chase it... MINI2 Karting

May 18th, 2007, 01:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
Tone MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Dorset, U.K. Local Time: 05:29 PM Posts: 5,795 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Mozza (original) Gabe from Motoringfile.com has indicated he's recently received information that says the new JCW factory R56 MCS will not be available for "several years". Let's hope this is not true. Bet she's being kidded along. Why wait years for the top o' the range? Nah, Rakey [and he knows ] says present position is an anticipated launch around next March. So - if the suspension is a bit lower, and it gets more bells and whistles, not forgetting a great power surge, it'll look less Fisher-Price and more the bees' knees. Get in the queue, everyone... "I get by with a little help from my friends"

May 18th, 2007, 02:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
Cape Cod MINI Exposing the Beast Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cape Cod, MA Local Time: 12:29 PM Posts: 5,344 Offline	Never happen, IMHO. Too much trouble and too risky for MINI to do it. My fiver says it's all engine managment, turbo back w/ high flo cat, and intake. Missing my buddies Dan and Ed but glad I have two angel buddies, And on a quest to Right Secco's Wrongs

May 31st, 2007, 08:00 PM	#14 (permalink)
johnnyv Lovin' the MINI Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cheshire Local Time: 05:29 PM Posts: 86 Offline	'S' WORKS with 220? IMHO judging by what has been said about the 207 RC (not the GTI which has 175bhp) the RC is also surmised to have about 200-220bhp. Same engine both parties BMW + PSA working towards the same sort of power output I reckon BMW will go the root of a larger turbo coupled with increased flow from Intake to Exhaust ie. airfilter, free flow cylinder head, injectors, free flow exhaust manifold (keeping it twin scroll), free flow cat and back box. Does anyone reckon on a turbo fitted to the R56 being like the Porsche variable vane turbo.... ??? it's only an idea....... expensive but it would be nice .

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May 15th, 2007, 12:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
FergusM MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Glasgow Local Time: 05:29 PM Posts: 690 Offline	well sounds about right as they do the twin turbo on the BMW 335i.... suppose we'll just have o wait and see.

May 15th, 2007, 02:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
cct1 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wisconsin Local Time: 11:29 AM Posts: 337 Offline	That makes alot of sense, especially keeping in mind that there is a school of thought that the current twin scroll turbo is closed to maxed out as is; the stage I, while adding significant improvement, isn't an earth shattering jump in performance.

May 17th, 2007, 05:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
CC07ERS TYPE R GT VTEC POWERED My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Type R GT Local Time: 05:29 PM Posts: 2,721 Offline	Just more speculation nothin concrete as usual.

May 17th, 2007, 08:43 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mozza MINI2 Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Local Time: 12:29 PM Posts: 27 Offline	Gabe from Motoringfile.com has indicated he's recently received information that says the new JCW factory R56 MCS will not be available for "several years". Let's hope this is not true.

May 18th, 2007, 07:23 PM	#9 (permalink)
gabe MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, USA Local Time: 11:29 AM Posts: 280 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Mozza (original) Gabe from Motoringfile.com has indicated he's recently received information that says the new JCW factory R56 MCS will not be available for "several years". Let's hope this is not true. May want to go back to re-read that.... I revised my statement when I saw it was being taken the wrong way.

May 18th, 2007, 10:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mozza MINI2 Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Local Time: 12:29 PM Posts: 27 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by gabe (original) May want to go back to re-read that.... I revised my statement when I saw it was being taken the wrong way. Just reread your edit, so you're saying you didn't say that with any solid evidence to back it up. Gabe you don't seem the sort to just 'spout off', in all your articles you seem a remarkably level headed guy so I'm assuming you are making the assumption that the R56 factory JCW won't be released for 'several years yet' on some sort of information. Care to share it with us?

May 19th, 2007, 03:30 AM	#11 (permalink)
gabe MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, USA Local Time: 11:29 AM Posts: 280 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Mozza (original) Just reread your edit, so you're saying you didn't say that with any solid evidence to back it up. Gabe you don't seem the sort to just 'spout off', in all your articles you seem a remarkably level headed guy so I'm assuming you are making the assumption that the R56 factory JCW won't be released for 'several years yet' on some sort of information. Care to share it with us? I'm sorry to seem to coy about this. But I guess the point I want to get across is that I have no concrete information since the article I published a few months ago on MotoringFile: Future JCW Vehicles And based on that, the stage one is what we're seeing in July. That's the car I'll be personally getting. Hope that helps.

May 21st, 2007, 01:48 PM	#12 (permalink)
madadd MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2007 Local Time: 05:29 PM Posts: 51 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by gabe (original) I'm sorry to seem to coy about this. But I guess the point I want to get across is that I have no concrete information since the article I published a few months ago on MotoringFile: And based on that, the stage one is what we're seeing in July. That's the car I'll be personally getting. Hope that helps. Ordered my MCS on Friday last for September 1st. Asked about the works tuning kit (as we all now know its on its way!). I said, can I order it now, or if available before September, I'll have it. Was told "I've spoken to mini this morning, and it won't be here this year. It is still being tested!". If thats the case, then a full JCW car def won't be this year. Moreover, a twin turbo on a MCS! I'll bet my car that doesnt happen! ...Mad

May 31st, 2007, 11:59 AM	#13 (permalink)
Ant FR MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2006 Local Time: 05:29 PM Posts: 1,843 Offline	it will never happen. general consensus on new mini is it would need a new bigger turbo on it to get anything over 210bhp. Can't see the development costs allowing it to happen.

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Jun 1st, 2007, 11:48 AM	#15 (permalink)
wow MINI2 Senior Join Date: Apr 2003 Local Time: 06:29 PM Posts: 577 Offline	Claudio, i hope channel 4 is correct as i am craving for the new JCW. Based on my experince from my current R56 Cooper S the JCW version has to have 4 Wheel drive. The torque steer in my current car is insane and that is only from 250nm of torque! I think it is a given that the new JCW will have blackend light housings for the front lights like on the Millionth MINI. The body kit will be completly diffrent from the current JCW kit and the air duct on the hood will be used to cool something down. My opinion no facts to back up these claims. If they wanted to launch the JCW in June we would have seen a couple test cars by now. MINI, it is a way of life.

Jun 12th, 2007, 03:37 PM	#16 (permalink)
scottp7 Kernow Mini Man My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cornwall Local Time: 05:29 PM Posts: 159 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by madadd (original) Moreover, a twin turbo on a MCS! I'll bet my car that doesnt happen! ...Mad sounds good to me

Jun 19th, 2007, 11:52 AM	#17 (permalink)
Rocco9999 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Essex Local Time: 05:29 PM Posts: 91 Offline	Quote: I reckon BMW will go the root of a larger turbo coupled with increased flow from Intake to Exhaust ie. airfilter, free flow cylinder head, injectors, free flow exhaust manifold (keeping it twin scroll), free flow cat and back box. Dont mean to be an @rse but free flow cylinder head isnt worth while with forced induction... but you are right about PSA-BMW engine similarities. DOnt forget BMW just want the cheapest option with the least testing involved and fewest parts to release. Last edited by Rocco9999 : Jun 19th, 2007 at 11:55 AM. Reason: cos i'm an ****

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