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lortos_diam · Mar 15th, 2008, 07:21 AM

How long does it take?
Is it ready within 1 day?

scone · Mar 15th, 2008, 05:31 PM

Yes it should be ready in a day, one or two people have had problems having there ECU reprogrammed and it's ran over, but if all goes well you'll have it in a day.

kevkbuk · Mar 15th, 2008, 08:21 PM

Yep, the ECU reprogramming can be hit and miss it seems. When I got mine done it took ages to update the software and then the air conditioning didn't work so had to make a trip back to the dealer to get it sorted. Just check everything is working ok before you leave the dealer.

lortos_diam · Mar 17th, 2008, 09:34 AM

I'll get the car to my dealer tomorrow to have it installed. I'll check everything before leaving.

Can get the spare parts that are going to be removed from the car? I have only done 400km and they are in as new condition

thanx

kevkbuk · Mar 17th, 2008, 10:39 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by lortos_diam (original)

Can get the spare parts that are going to be removed from the car? I have only done 400km and they are in as new condition

thanx

Yes, they are your property, but you'll probably need to ask for them.

Den W · Mar 17th, 2008, 10:40 AM

are there deals still to be had on getting the tuning kit?

MINIJUS · Mar 17th, 2008, 11:39 AM

has anyone had a kit fitted near essex what was the price compaired to woodmand as thats a bit of a drive

J

mj2k · Mar 17th, 2008, 01:13 PM

Does anyone know what the final CO2 reading is for the stage 1 kit?

Looking at a new company car & playing the co-car taxation game; Std S with everything vs Stage 1 Works with fewer toys vs Factory Works in July with slightly less again!

The only bit of data I cant track down is the stage 1 emissions. My dealer in Maidenhead kept telling me the stage 1 kit is 210bhp, so have given in even talking to them!!

Thanks

Matt

scone · Mar 17th, 2008, 01:38 PM

The emissions for the stage 1 tuning kit remain the same as the standard S. I was talking to my dealer this morning about the factory car and she thought the first deliveries would be in September.

mj2k · Mar 17th, 2008, 02:11 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by scone (original)

The emissions for the stage 1 tuning kit remain the same as the standard S.

Thanks Scone,

I'm truly surprised by that - I can't understand how you can extract more from the engine without it producing more CO2 from the rear.

Even if it is more, there is a chance it might work out the same given the kit is fitted at the dealers, and V11D (think thats the correct form?!) is based on the emissions as it leaves the factory.

Having said that, after adding options to both choices of works tune, I need to decide if the factory option is worth the extra £45 per month in tax vs a similarly extra'd up stage 1.

kevkbuk · Mar 17th, 2008, 07:10 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by scone (original)

The emissions for the stage 1 tuning kit remain the same as the standard S

I don't think that's correct, I have an early R56 without the fuel saving features and I looked into this when I purchased the kit. I seem to remember it did increase the emissions slightly, but this wouldn't change the road tax as that is only concerned with the emissions of the car from the factory. The later model with fuel saving technology had lower emissions standard, so I would assume the same is still true if not more so.

caesar · Mar 17th, 2008, 07:20 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by kevkbuk (original)

I don't think that's correct, I have an early R56 without the fuel saving features and I looked into this when I purchased the kit. I seem to remember it did increase the emissions slightly, but this wouldn't change the road tax as that is only concerned with the emissions of the car from the factory. The later model with fuel saving technology had lower emissions standard, so I would assume the same is still true if not more so.

Yes that's correct, the new Mini's with start/stop fuel saving are now in a lower road tax bracket since the new budget was announced

So it will depend on whether or not you have this.

scone · Mar 17th, 2008, 09:50 PM

I have to be honest in all the press releases for the tuning kit I never saw any mention of increased emissions, but as for tax purposes there is definately no increase as it is dealer fitted. Mini did claim there was no increase in fuel consumption, does anyone know if no extra fuel would mean there was no extra carbon emissions.

Tara&Paul · Mar 18th, 2008, 03:29 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by caesar (original)

Yes that's correct, the new Mini's with start/stop fuel saving are now in a lower road tax bracket since the new budget was announced

So it will depend on whether or not you have this.

Which VED group is an R56 Cooper S with the stop/start function in?

caesar · Mar 18th, 2008, 03:43 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tara&Paul (original)

Which VED group is an R56 Cooper S with the stop/start function in?

Correct me if I'm wrong but any Mini including the 'S' that has start/stop function will be paying £25 a year less road tax as a result of the recent budget. I am not sure if this applies to diesel models.

lortos_diam · Mar 19th, 2008, 02:25 PM

Just took delivery of my JCW Stage I Cooper S.
Everything was working properly at the dealer, but as soon as I left the dealership I noticed that the auto start/stop function was not working. I contacted the dealer again and they said that I should try it a bit more and she if it works when it gets warmer, otherwise take it back to them tomorrow.

Performance-wise I noticed an improvement in responsiveness and a faster acceleration overall.

any comments on the auto start/stop not working are more than acceptable

thanx

EAC · Mar 19th, 2008, 07:55 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by lortos_diam (original)

Just took delivery of my JCW Stage I Cooper S.
Everything was working properly at the dealer, but as soon as I left the dealership I noticed that the auto start/stop function was not working. I contacted the dealer again and they said that I should try it a bit more and she if it works when it gets warmer, otherwise take it back to them tomorrow.

Don't worry about it for now. Various things can prevent the start/stop system from working, engine too cold, outside air temp too cold, battery below certain amount of charge, etc. Mine has rarely worked since January, but does occasionally, normally on longer runs in warmer temperatures.

Chris.

lortos_diam · Mar 19th, 2008, 10:23 PM

You were right Chris.
It appears that the engine had to get warmer. It works just fine now.
thanx for the response

Lawrothegreat · Mar 21st, 2008, 11:20 AM

Yeh lots of things stop the stop/start function working:

Outside temperature (I think its below 3 degrees - or certainly around there)
The engine needs to warm up sufficiently (though shouldn't take too long)
Whether you are using the heater/air conditioning unit
Battery charge

Having said that battery charge shouldn't be a massive problem. Sometimes I spend days just in traffic with the engine auto switched off, with the headlights on main beam, radio/CD on etc - and I never get a problem.

RedCooperNonChilli · May 7th, 2008, 11:08 AM

Does anyone know what the quarter mile time is for the Stage 1 kit ??

Mar 17th, 2008, 10:40 AM	#546 (permalink)
Den W Essex MINI2er Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Essex Local Time: 09:56 PM Posts: 307 Offline	are there deals still to be had on getting the tuning kit? ESSEXMINI2ERS

Mar 21st, 2008, 11:20 AM	#559 (permalink)
Lawrothegreat Mini Design Philosopher Join Date: May 2004 Location: Berkshire, UK Local Time: 09:56 PM Posts: 732 Offline	Yeh lots of things stop the stop/start function working: Outside temperature (I think its below 3 degrees - or certainly around there) The engine needs to warm up sufficiently (though shouldn't take too long) Whether you are using the heater/air conditioning unit Battery charge Having said that battery charge shouldn't be a massive problem. Sometimes I spend days just in traffic with the engine auto switched off, with the headlights on main beam, radio/CD on etc - and I never get a problem.

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Mar 15th, 2008, 05:31 PM	#542 (permalink)
scone MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2004 Location: Winsford,Cheshire Local Time: 09:56 PM Posts: 184 Offline	Yes it should be ready in a day, one or two people have had problems having there ECU reprogrammed and it's ran over, but if all goes well you'll have it in a day.

Mar 15th, 2008, 08:21 PM	#543 (permalink)
kevkbuk MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2006 Local Time: 09:56 PM Posts: 394 Offline	Yep, the ECU reprogramming can be hit and miss it seems. When I got mine done it took ages to update the software and then the air conditioning didn't work so had to make a trip back to the dealer to get it sorted. Just check everything is working ok before you leave the dealer.

Mar 17th, 2008, 09:34 AM	#544 (permalink)
lortos_diam MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2006 Local Time: 11:56 PM Posts: 29 Offline	I'll get the car to my dealer tomorrow to have it installed. I'll check everything before leaving. Can get the spare parts that are going to be removed from the car? I have only done 400km and they are in as new condition thanx

Mar 17th, 2008, 10:39 AM	#545 (permalink)
kevkbuk MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2006 Local Time: 09:56 PM Posts: 394 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by lortos_diam (original) Can get the spare parts that are going to be removed from the car? I have only done 400km and they are in as new condition thanx Yes, they are your property, but you'll probably need to ask for them.

Mar 17th, 2008, 11:39 AM	#547 (permalink)
MINIJUS MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2007 Local Time: 09:56 PM Posts: 81 Offline	has anyone had a kit fitted near essex what was the price compaired to woodmand as thats a bit of a drive J

Mar 17th, 2008, 01:13 PM	#548 (permalink)
mj2k MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2008 Local Time: 09:56 PM Posts: 2 Offline	Does anyone know what the final CO2 reading is for the stage 1 kit? Looking at a new company car & playing the co-car taxation game; Std S with everything vs Stage 1 Works with fewer toys vs Factory Works in July with slightly less again! The only bit of data I cant track down is the stage 1 emissions. My dealer in Maidenhead kept telling me the stage 1 kit is 210bhp, so have given in even talking to them!! Thanks Matt

Mar 17th, 2008, 01:38 PM	#549 (permalink)
scone MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2004 Location: Winsford,Cheshire Local Time: 09:56 PM Posts: 184 Offline	The emissions for the stage 1 tuning kit remain the same as the standard S. I was talking to my dealer this morning about the factory car and she thought the first deliveries would be in September.

Mar 17th, 2008, 02:11 PM	#550 (permalink)
mj2k MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2008 Local Time: 09:56 PM Posts: 2 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by scone (original) The emissions for the stage 1 tuning kit remain the same as the standard S. Thanks Scone, I'm truly surprised by that - I can't understand how you can extract more from the engine without it producing more CO2 from the rear. Even if it is more, there is a chance it might work out the same given the kit is fitted at the dealers, and V11D (think thats the correct form?!) is based on the emissions as it leaves the factory. Having said that, after adding options to both choices of works tune, I need to decide if the factory option is worth the extra £45 per month in tax vs a similarly extra'd up stage 1.

Mar 17th, 2008, 07:10 PM	#551 (permalink)
kevkbuk MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2006 Local Time: 09:56 PM Posts: 394 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by scone (original) The emissions for the stage 1 tuning kit remain the same as the standard S I don't think that's correct, I have an early R56 without the fuel saving features and I looked into this when I purchased the kit. I seem to remember it did increase the emissions slightly, but this wouldn't change the road tax as that is only concerned with the emissions of the car from the factory. The later model with fuel saving technology had lower emissions standard, so I would assume the same is still true if not more so.

Mar 17th, 2008, 07:20 PM	#552 (permalink)
caesar MINI2 Senior Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Wales Local Time: 09:56 PM Posts: 670 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by kevkbuk (original) I don't think that's correct, I have an early R56 without the fuel saving features and I looked into this when I purchased the kit. I seem to remember it did increase the emissions slightly, but this wouldn't change the road tax as that is only concerned with the emissions of the car from the factory. The later model with fuel saving technology had lower emissions standard, so I would assume the same is still true if not more so. Yes that's correct, the new Mini's with start/stop fuel saving are now in a lower road tax bracket since the new budget was announced So it will depend on whether or not you have this.

Mar 17th, 2008, 09:50 PM	#553 (permalink)
scone MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2004 Location: Winsford,Cheshire Local Time: 09:56 PM Posts: 184 Offline	I have to be honest in all the press releases for the tuning kit I never saw any mention of increased emissions, but as for tax purposes there is definately no increase as it is dealer fitted. Mini did claim there was no increase in fuel consumption, does anyone know if no extra fuel would mean there was no extra carbon emissions.

Mar 18th, 2008, 03:29 PM	#554 (permalink)
Tara&Paul MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hertfordshire Local Time: 09:56 PM Posts: 407 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by caesar (original) Yes that's correct, the new Mini's with start/stop fuel saving are now in a lower road tax bracket since the new budget was announced So it will depend on whether or not you have this. Which VED group is an R56 Cooper S with the stop/start function in?

Mar 18th, 2008, 03:43 PM	#555 (permalink)
caesar MINI2 Senior Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Wales Local Time: 09:56 PM Posts: 670 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Tara&Paul (original) Which VED group is an R56 Cooper S with the stop/start function in? Correct me if I'm wrong but any Mini including the 'S' that has start/stop function will be paying £25 a year less road tax as a result of the recent budget. I am not sure if this applies to diesel models.

Mar 19th, 2008, 02:25 PM	#556 (permalink)
lortos_diam MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2006 Local Time: 11:56 PM Posts: 29 Offline	Just took delivery of my JCW Stage I Cooper S. Everything was working properly at the dealer, but as soon as I left the dealership I noticed that the auto start/stop function was not working. I contacted the dealer again and they said that I should try it a bit more and she if it works when it gets warmer, otherwise take it back to them tomorrow. Performance-wise I noticed an improvement in responsiveness and a faster acceleration overall. any comments on the auto start/stop not working are more than acceptable thanx

Mar 19th, 2008, 07:55 PM	#557 (permalink)
EAC Forum Lurker... Join Date: Apr 2003 Local Time: 09:56 PM Posts: 98 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by lortos_diam (original) Just took delivery of my JCW Stage I Cooper S. Everything was working properly at the dealer, but as soon as I left the dealership I noticed that the auto start/stop function was not working. I contacted the dealer again and they said that I should try it a bit more and she if it works when it gets warmer, otherwise take it back to them tomorrow. Don't worry about it for now. Various things can prevent the start/stop system from working, engine too cold, outside air temp too cold, battery below certain amount of charge, etc. Mine has rarely worked since January, but does occasionally, normally on longer runs in warmer temperatures. Chris.

Mar 19th, 2008, 10:23 PM	#558 (permalink)
lortos_diam MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2006 Local Time: 11:56 PM Posts: 29 Offline	You were right Chris. It appears that the engine had to get warmer. It works just fine now. thanx for the response

May 7th, 2008, 11:08 AM	#560 (permalink)
RedCooperNonChilli R56 Cooper S Chilli My Classifieds Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Local Time: 06:56 AM Posts: 109 Offline	Does anyone know what the quarter mile time is for the Stage 1 kit ??

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