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Den W · Jul 17th, 2007, 04:14 PM

spoke to my dealer (Lind in Chelmsford) they rekon they're going to have a kit fitted to their existing demo for the end of July but they quoted me £1633 fitted. That sounds expensive doesn't it?

scone · Jul 17th, 2007, 06:47 PM

I rang up parts at my dealer about the kit and he checked up on the computer while i was on the phone and it came up as not yet available, awaiting UK testing and homogenation. He rang me back half an later to say he'd been in touch with BMW to ask for a release date and they had told him the parts and not yet been fitted to a UK car for test so could not give him a date.

[quote][spoke to my dealer (Lind in Chelmsford) they rekon they're going to have a kit fitted to their existing demo for the end of July but they quoted me £1633 fitted. That sounds expensive doesn't it?/QUOTE]

£1663 does sound a bit steep as the parts are only £1095 including vat, with a suggested fitting time of two hours. There are two dealers in Scotland who will fit the kit all in for £1200, you could drive to Scotland get it fitted, drive back and still be £300 better off.

Washy · Jul 17th, 2007, 06:50 PM

I thought it took 4 hours to fit

scone · Jul 17th, 2007, 07:08 PM

I've seen the press release on my dealers computer and it says 2 hours.

zyo · Jul 17th, 2007, 07:15 PM

So if i wanted to purchase the items without having them fitted then it would cost me £1095 ?. If thats the case is it really now £150 per hour for a BMW/ MINI mechanic to fit it?

Washy · Jul 17th, 2007, 07:21 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by scone (original)

I've seen the press release on my dealers computer and it says 2 hours.

Fair enough. Convinced I read somewhere 4 though...

scone · Jul 17th, 2007, 07:24 PM

My dealer charges £100 per hour an he's the cheapest in the midlands. Daro911 in a post earlier in the thread says his dealer charges £188 per hour, so maybe £150 per hour is about the average dealer charge.

zyo · Jul 17th, 2007, 07:27 PM

Thats ridiculous, I wonder what sort of hourly rate our overseas friends pay for BMW/MINI service. Is it a case of us getting ripped off or is it everyone?

movit · Jul 18th, 2007, 06:35 AM

As we have a S in order we also ordered the JCW Kit. Price was EUR 1.650 exclusive installing which is set for 4 hours. No installing charges as part of the buying deal of a new car.

Japper · Jul 18th, 2007, 06:57 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by scone (original)

I've seen the press release on my dealers computer and it says 2 hours.

I've also seen the dealers press release and it is definately 4 hours. The press release for the USA states 2 hours though...................................your guess is as good as mine

Confused by the delay on this kit, as Mike Cooper as stated officially that the kit has been ready / signed off for weeks and that kits are boxed in his factory

gabe · Jul 23rd, 2007, 02:29 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Arnbut (original)

Anybody have U.S. pricing?

Yup: MINI USA Prices the Stage 1 JCW Kit

roland2003 · Jul 24th, 2007, 10:57 AM

Hi, Im still waiting to find out (100% confirmation) whether you get a replacment exhaust manifold ?.... anyone know for definate? It stated you do on one press release, but its not been mentioned since.
Best Regards Roland GTT

Snowie · Jul 24th, 2007, 11:40 AM

When I spoke to the guys at MINI United they said a new exhaust manifold was part of the upgrade

Alan

Japper · Jul 24th, 2007, 12:12 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

Hi, Im still waiting to find out (100% confirmation) whether you get a replacment exhaust manifold ?.... anyone know for definate? It stated you do on one press release, but its not been mentioned since.
Best Regards Roland GTT

Hi Roland,

I'm still on the case to find out if this cat downpipe or just the exhaust manifold between turbo and engine.

But it's hard going as no one seems to know until they get a kit in and for some reason they've not hit dealers yet !

Washy · Jul 24th, 2007, 12:18 PM

The JCW website does not mention the manifold as part of the kit either.

Japper · Jul 24th, 2007, 01:35 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original)

The JCW website does not mention the manifold as part of the kit either.

Washy, well spotted as that's been added recently and confuses things even more. However it would mean GTT stealth cat can be added too meaning serious performance

However a little dissapointed in the power curve for the Tuning kit as it's a full 1k revs later before the power matches that of the std. MCS and any power benefit is from 4k onwards.

At least traction will remain about the same

Washy · Jul 24th, 2007, 01:49 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original)

Washy, well spotted as that's been added recently and confuses things even more. However it would mean GTT stealth cat can be added too meaning serious performance

However a little dissapointed in the power curve for the Tuning kit as it's a full 1k revs later before the power matches that of the std. MCS and any power benefit is from 4k onwards.

At least traction will remain about the same

I noticed the power curve too.....

Japper · Jul 24th, 2007, 02:03 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original)

I noticed the power curve too.....

The more i look at it though, the less it makes sense.

MCS - 175bhp @ 5500rpm
Works - 192bhp @ 6000rpm

So pro-rata they should have the same power curve with the works having more at top end. On top of this the Works has a little more torque across range so how can the power come in later like the graph shows.

Am i missing something obvious, or is that grapth flawed ?.

Come on guru's, ease my pain

roland2003 · Jul 24th, 2007, 07:12 PM

Hi, I think this JCW kit is going to get the power IMO almost solely from the re-map. (I doubt the cat back & airfilter will do anything apart from justify more money & labour). The stock car drops boost down to around 12psi by 5500. Reprog the boost to hold say 14 psi to 6K and youve got a power increase. Check out my Boost Pressure thread. The crazy thing is power(boost) appears to depend on how quickly you stamp on the gas pedal...maybe the JCW prog addresses this quirk.
Japper...thanks. You dont think they've changed their mind & decided not to put the manifold in the kit ? TBH the manifold isnt going to need changing just because you up the boost a couple of psi. We up the boost on a Renault 5 from 10psi to 30psi

and their just fine (just glow a bit more orange !)
Best Regards Roland GTT

MINIAC · Jul 24th, 2007, 08:06 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original)

The more i look at it though, the less it makes sense.

MCS - 175bhp @ 5500rpm
Works - 192bhp @ 6000rpm

So pro-rata they should have the same power curve with the works having more at top end. On top of this the Works has a little more torque across range so how can the power come in later like the graph shows.

Am i missing something obvious, or is that grapth flawed ?.

Come on guru's, ease my pain

The graph in question ...

Jul 17th, 2007, 04:14 PM	#101
Den W Now Aero Kitted! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Essex Local Time: 06:27 AM Posts: 332 Offline	spoke to my dealer (Lind in Chelmsford) they rekon they're going to have a kit fitted to their existing demo for the end of July but they quoted me £1633 fitted. That sounds expensive doesn't it? ESSEXMINI2ERS

Jul 17th, 2007, 06:50 PM	#103 (permalink)
Washy 1151bhp/tonne Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Northampton Local Time: 06:27 AM Posts: 18,289 Offline	I thought it took 4 hours to fit Black to the future....

Jul 17th, 2007, 07:21 PM	#106 (permalink)
Washy 1151bhp/tonne Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Northampton Local Time: 06:27 AM Posts: 18,289 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by scone (original) I've seen the press release on my dealers computer and it says 2 hours. Fair enough. Convinced I read somewhere 4 though... Black to the future....

Jul 18th, 2007, 06:57 AM	#110 (permalink)
Japper MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oil Country Local Time: 06:27 AM Posts: 933 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by scone (original) I've seen the press release on my dealers computer and it says 2 hours. I've also seen the dealers press release and it is definately 4 hours. The press release for the USA states 2 hours though...................................your guess is as good as mine Confused by the delay on this kit, as Mike Cooper as stated officially that the kit has been ready / signed off for weeks and that kits are boxed in his factory 06 HB/W MCS Chilli

Jul 24th, 2007, 10:57 AM	#112 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 06:27 AM Posts: 2,733 Offline	Hi, Im still waiting to find out (100% confirmation) whether you get a replacment exhaust manifold ?.... anyone know for definate? It stated you do on one press release, but its not been mentioned since. Best Regards Roland GTT www.gttuning.com

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Jul 17th, 2007, 06:47 PM	#102 (permalink)
scone MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2004 Location: Winsford,Cheshire Local Time: 06:27 AM Posts: 168 Offline	I rang up parts at my dealer about the kit and he checked up on the computer while i was on the phone and it came up as not yet available, awaiting UK testing and homogenation. He rang me back half an later to say he'd been in touch with BMW to ask for a release date and they had told him the parts and not yet been fitted to a UK car for test so could not give him a date. [quote][spoke to my dealer (Lind in Chelmsford) they rekon they're going to have a kit fitted to their existing demo for the end of July but they quoted me £1633 fitted. That sounds expensive doesn't it?/QUOTE] £1663 does sound a bit steep as the parts are only £1095 including vat, with a suggested fitting time of two hours. There are two dealers in Scotland who will fit the kit all in for £1200, you could drive to Scotland get it fitted, drive back and still be £300 better off.

Jul 17th, 2007, 07:08 PM	#104 (permalink)
scone MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2004 Location: Winsford,Cheshire Local Time: 06:27 AM Posts: 168 Offline	I've seen the press release on my dealers computer and it says 2 hours.

Jul 17th, 2007, 07:15 PM	#105 (permalink)
zyo owt else is just traffic Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Edge of Reason Local Time: 06:27 AM Posts: 1,424 Offline	So if i wanted to purchase the items without having them fitted then it would cost me £1095 ?. If thats the case is it really now £150 per hour for a BMW/ MINI mechanic to fit it?

Jul 17th, 2007, 07:24 PM	#107 (permalink)
scone MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2004 Location: Winsford,Cheshire Local Time: 06:27 AM Posts: 168 Offline	My dealer charges £100 per hour an he's the cheapest in the midlands. Daro911 in a post earlier in the thread says his dealer charges £188 per hour, so maybe £150 per hour is about the average dealer charge.

Jul 17th, 2007, 07:27 PM	#108 (permalink)
zyo owt else is just traffic Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Edge of Reason Local Time: 06:27 AM Posts: 1,424 Offline	Thats ridiculous, I wonder what sort of hourly rate our overseas friends pay for BMW/MINI service. Is it a case of us getting ripped off or is it everyone?

Jul 18th, 2007, 06:35 AM	#109 (permalink)
movit MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Local Time: 07:27 AM Posts: 15 Offline	As we have a S in order we also ordered the JCW Kit. Price was EUR 1.650 exclusive installing which is set for 4 hours. No installing charges as part of the buying deal of a new car.

Jul 23rd, 2007, 02:29 AM	#111 (permalink)
gabe MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, USA Local Time: 12:27 AM Posts: 280 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Arnbut (original) Anybody have U.S. pricing? Yup: MINI USA Prices the Stage 1 JCW Kit

Jul 24th, 2007, 11:40 AM	#113 (permalink)
Snowie MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Camberley, Surrey Local Time: 06:27 AM Posts: 1,417 Offline	When I spoke to the guys at MINI United they said a new exhaust manifold was part of the upgrade Alan

Jul 24th, 2007, 12:12 PM	#114 (permalink)
Japper MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oil Country Local Time: 06:27 AM Posts: 933 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original) Hi, Im still waiting to find out (100% confirmation) whether you get a replacment exhaust manifold ?.... anyone know for definate? It stated you do on one press release, but its not been mentioned since. Best Regards Roland GTT Hi Roland, I'm still on the case to find out if this cat downpipe or just the exhaust manifold between turbo and engine. But it's hard going as no one seems to know until they get a kit in and for some reason they've not hit dealers yet ! 06 HB/W MCS Chilli

Jul 24th, 2007, 12:18 PM	#115 (permalink)
Washy 1151bhp/tonne Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Northampton Local Time: 06:27 AM Posts: 18,289 Offline	The JCW website does not mention the manifold as part of the kit either. Black to the future....

Jul 24th, 2007, 01:35 PM	#116 (permalink)
Japper MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oil Country Local Time: 06:27 AM Posts: 933 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original) The JCW website does not mention the manifold as part of the kit either. Washy, well spotted as that's been added recently and confuses things even more. However it would mean GTT stealth cat can be added too meaning serious performance However a little dissapointed in the power curve for the Tuning kit as it's a full 1k revs later before the power matches that of the std. MCS and any power benefit is from 4k onwards. At least traction will remain about the same 06 HB/W MCS Chilli

Jul 24th, 2007, 01:49 PM	#117 (permalink)
Washy 1151bhp/tonne Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Northampton Local Time: 06:27 AM Posts: 18,289 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original) Washy, well spotted as that's been added recently and confuses things even more. However it would mean GTT stealth cat can be added too meaning serious performance However a little dissapointed in the power curve for the Tuning kit as it's a full 1k revs later before the power matches that of the std. MCS and any power benefit is from 4k onwards. At least traction will remain about the same I noticed the power curve too..... Black to the future....

Jul 24th, 2007, 02:03 PM	#118 (permalink)
Japper MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oil Country Local Time: 06:27 AM Posts: 933 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original) I noticed the power curve too..... The more i look at it though, the less it makes sense. MCS - 175bhp @ 5500rpm Works - 192bhp @ 6000rpm So pro-rata they should have the same power curve with the works having more at top end. On top of this the Works has a little more torque across range so how can the power come in later like the graph shows. Am i missing something obvious, or is that grapth flawed ?. Come on guru's, ease my pain 06 HB/W MCS Chilli

Jul 24th, 2007, 07:12 PM	#119 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 06:27 AM Posts: 2,733 Offline	Hi, I think this JCW kit is going to get the power IMO almost solely from the re-map. (I doubt the cat back & airfilter will do anything apart from justify more money & labour). The stock car drops boost down to around 12psi by 5500. Reprog the boost to hold say 14 psi to 6K and youve got a power increase. Check out my Boost Pressure thread. The crazy thing is power(boost) appears to depend on how quickly you stamp on the gas pedal...maybe the JCW prog addresses this quirk. Japper...thanks. You dont think they've changed their mind & decided not to put the manifold in the kit ? TBH the manifold isnt going to need changing just because you up the boost a couple of psi. We up the boost on a Renault 5 from 10psi to 30psi and their just fine (just glow a bit more orange !) Best Regards Roland GTT www.gttuning.com

Jul 24th, 2007, 08:06 PM	#120 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 10:27 PM Posts: 8,319 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original) The more i look at it though, the less it makes sense. MCS - 175bhp @ 5500rpm Works - 192bhp @ 6000rpm So pro-rata they should have the same power curve with the works having more at top end. On top of this the Works has a little more torque across range so how can the power come in later like the graph shows. Am i missing something obvious, or is that grapth flawed ?. Come on guru's, ease my pain The graph in question ... Attached Thumbnails

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