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Mozza · Jul 25th, 2007, 03:41 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by zyo (original)

Thats ridiculous, I wonder what sort of hourly rate our overseas friends pay for BMW/MINI service. Is it a case of us getting ripped off or is it everyone?

Can't speak for the other dealers in the states but mine charges $90(45STG) an hour. From what I can gather from this thread that's considerably less than you're paying back home.

roland2003 · Jul 25th, 2007, 08:43 AM

THAT GRAPH IS VERY WRONG!
Thanks Miniac, Ive just had a quick look and assuming the torque curves are correct, power can be calculated from that. The POWER curve for the STOCK car is inflated in the lower registers big time . For example at 2000rpm the power calculates circa 75bhp.....but theyve put it on the graph as nearly 100bhp!!!!
-It is very worrying when BMW/JCW can make such a huge mess up as this.
The truth is thepower of the JCW never goes below the stock car (assuming torque graph correct...it looks sensible).
Is that graph from BMW/JCW?
Best Regards Roland GTT

Washy · Jul 25th, 2007, 08:49 AM

It is the graph from the JCW website....

Japper · Jul 25th, 2007, 08:58 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

THAT GRAPH IS VERY WRONG!
Thanks Miniac, Ive just had a quick look and assuming the torque curves are correct, power can be calculated from that. The POWER curve for the STOCK car is inflated in the lower registers big time . For example at 2000rpm the power calculates circa 75bhp.....but theyve put it on the graph as nearly 100bhp!!!!
-It is very worrying when BMW/JCW can make such a huge mess up as this.
The truth is thepower of the JCW never goes below the stock car (assuming torque graph correct...it looks sensible).
Is that graph from BMW/JCW?
Best Regards Roland GTT

Thanks Roland, that's exactly how i understood it and was trying to get across to all.

I'm relieved

Japper · Jul 25th, 2007, 08:58 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original)

It is the graph from the JCW website....

Yeah, but not the UK website.

Washy · Jul 25th, 2007, 09:10 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original)

Yeah, but not the UK website.

from johncooper.co.uk......thats where I found it anyway

Japper · Jul 25th, 2007, 09:12 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original)

from johncooper.co.uk......thats where I found it anyway

Sorry Washy, i meant it's not shown if you go into the Mini UK site directly or it didn't for me anyway

Washy · Jul 25th, 2007, 09:35 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original)

Sorry Washy, i meant it's not shown if you go into the Mini UK site directly or it didn't for me anyway

I just checked there and couldn't find it either.....

zyo · Jul 25th, 2007, 12:30 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Mozza (original)

Can't speak for the other dealers in the states but mine charges $90(45STG) an hour. From what I can gather from this thread that's considerably less than you're paying back home.

Yeah by the looks of it we are paying at least $200 an hour and judging by what they want to charge for fitting the JCW kit it's more like $300 an hour,

Japper · Jul 25th, 2007, 01:02 PM

Drat.........................dealer has told me toady that the kit is delayed until the end of August. So it looks like i'll pick up my MCS on sept 1st. and then take it back a couple of weeks later for the kit.

Washy · Jul 25th, 2007, 01:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original)

Drat.........................dealer has told me toady that the kit is delayed until the end of August. So it looks like i'll pick up my MCS on sept 1st. and then take it back a couple of weeks later for the kit.

Must give my dealer a ring then as I will be in the same boat...

Japper · Jul 26th, 2007, 03:05 PM

Reply i got from customer services

So Roland, we're still in the dark whether or not the cat gets changed out

Dear Mr Shears
Thank you for contacting MINI Customer Information.
We are pleased to hear that you have a MINI Cooper S on order and can advise that we anticipate that the new JCW Tuning kit will be available from the end of July. However, we don't yet have published fuel consumption figures available for a MINI Cooper S with a JCW Kit.
The main components of the JCW Kit are a sports exhaust with improved exhaust gas flow that makes the engine sound even more impressive and provides a winning look with powerful twin chrome exhaust pipe finishers. A special air filter also contributes to the improved power output and the acoustic roar. The kit is finished off by the adapted engine control unit. This makes the engine even more free-revving for rapid acceleration throughout the engine rev range.
Tuning is not just a question of improved performance but also quality and safety, this is the guiding philosophy with which the JCW tuning kit was produced. This particularly applies in terms of endurance, effect on other components and compliance with statutory regulations. If the tuning kit is fitted by a MINI service authorised workshop the customer's warranty will not be effected. This is how the JCW tuning kit differs from many other tuning kits available on the market.
Package includes:

JCW air filter system
Stainless steel sports exhaust
Exhaust manifold for operation at higher temperatures
Turbocharger air filter air guide
Modified engine electronics system
Activation code for engine control unit (specific to chassis number)
JCW emblems for front grille and tailgate
JCW engine badge with serial kit number
JCW certificate of authenticity

Part numbers are as follows:
Description JCW Tuning Kit
Part number 11.12.0.434.320

The kit is available at launch for manual cars only. We anticipate the tuning kit for cars with Automatic transmission will be available in September/October 2007.
We hope this information is of use. Please feel free to contact us if you have any further questions.
Yours sincerely
MINI UK
Stuart Mitchell
Product Information Advisor
Ellesfield Avenue
Bracknell RG12 8TA
Tel: 0800 083 6464
Fax: 0870 5050 206
Email: customer.information@mini.co.uk
Website: www.mini.co.uk

Japper · Jul 26th, 2007, 04:07 PM

Oh, and just to add. If they don't have official fuel consumption figures yet, then they don't have emisions or tax banding or even type approval, meaning there's no way it's goint to be out much before end of August.

Washy · Jul 26th, 2007, 05:28 PM

Doesn't sound too good...

scone · Jul 26th, 2007, 07:35 PM

My dealer rang today and he's been in touch with BMW and they have said the kit will be available in the middle of September

Paul · Jul 26th, 2007, 07:56 PM

Not great.

As I say, MINI have no idea when they'll get them on their press fleet, which isn't a great sign!

Japper · Jul 26th, 2007, 08:24 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original)

Not great.

As I say, MINI have no idea when they'll get them on their press fleet, which isn't a great sign!

Paul, any idea what the hold up is, as Mike Coopers interview said these left his factory over a month ago !

n5290066 · Jul 27th, 2007, 12:48 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original)

Reply i got from customer services

So Roland, we're still in the dark whether or not the cat gets changed out

Dear Mr Shears
Thank you for contacting MINI Customer Information.

Tuning is not just a question of improved performance but also quality and safety, this is the guiding philosophy with which the JCW tuning kit was produced. This particularly applies in terms of endurance, effect on other components and compliance with statutory regulations. If the tuning kit is fitted by a MINI service authorised workshop the customer's warranty will not be effected. This is how the JCW tuning kit differs from many other tuning kits available on the market.
Package includes:

JCW air filter system
Stainless steel sports exhaust
Exhaust manifold for operation at higher temperatures
Turbocharger air filter air guide
Modified engine electronics system
Activation code for engine control unit (specific to chassis number)
JCW emblems for front grille and tailgate
JCW engine badge with serial kit number
JCW certificate of authenticity

Part numbers are as follows:
Description JCW Tuning Kit
Part number 11.12.0.434.320

The kit is available at launch for manual cars only. We anticipate the tuning kit for cars with Automatic transmission will be available in September/October 2007.
We hope this information is of use. Please feel free to contact us if you have any further questions.
Yours sincerely
MINI UK
Stuart Mitchell

Email: customer.information@mini.co.uk
Website: www.mini.co.uk

It looks like the exhaust manifold has been modified to reduce heat. The easy way to do this is to get a free flow of gases. I reckon the dump pipe cats have been modified/changed or even 1 removed like the mod on the GTT stealth dump pipe/cats. This make sense and would have been a low risk way to improve the power output. They obviously re-mapped to allow for this and some additional boost and added the noise via air filter box and exhaust system. I am looking forward t getting it fitted and then modifying the inlet via the currently unused bonnet scoop.

Paul · Jul 27th, 2007, 09:12 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original)

Paul, any idea what the hold up is, as Mike Coopers interview said these left his factory over a month ago !

No idea, seems like somewhere things are getting a little blurred.

Washy · Jul 28th, 2007, 01:57 PM

Spoke to my dealer this morning and the kits are on hold. Couldn't find out much more than that though...

Jul 25th, 2007, 08:43 AM	#122 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 02:00 AM Posts: 2,754 Offline	THAT GRAPH IS VERY WRONG! Thanks Miniac, Ive just had a quick look and assuming the torque curves are correct, power can be calculated from that. The POWER curve for the STOCK car is inflated in the lower registers big time . For example at 2000rpm the power calculates circa 75bhp.....but theyve put it on the graph as nearly 100bhp!!!! -It is very worrying when BMW/JCW can make such a huge mess up as this. The truth is thepower of the JCW never goes below the stock car (assuming torque graph correct...it looks sensible). Is that graph from BMW/JCW? Best Regards Roland GTT www.gttuning.com

Jul 25th, 2007, 08:49 AM	#123 (permalink)
Washy Six cylinders two turbos Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: in the country Local Time: 02:00 AM Posts: 18,723 Offline	It is the graph from the JCW website.... 135i M sport convertible

Jul 25th, 2007, 08:58 AM	#124 (permalink)
Japper MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oil Country Local Time: 02:00 AM Posts: 1,070 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original) THAT GRAPH IS VERY WRONG! Thanks Miniac, Ive just had a quick look and assuming the torque curves are correct, power can be calculated from that. The POWER curve for the STOCK car is inflated in the lower registers big time . For example at 2000rpm the power calculates circa 75bhp.....but theyve put it on the graph as nearly 100bhp!!!! -It is very worrying when BMW/JCW can make such a huge mess up as this. The truth is thepower of the JCW never goes below the stock car (assuming torque graph correct...it looks sensible). Is that graph from BMW/JCW? Best Regards Roland GTT Thanks Roland, that's exactly how i understood it and was trying to get across to all. I'm relieved 06 HB/W MCS Chilli

Jul 25th, 2007, 08:58 AM	#125 (permalink)
Japper MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oil Country Local Time: 02:00 AM Posts: 1,070 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original) It is the graph from the JCW website.... Yeah, but not the UK website. 06 HB/W MCS Chilli

Jul 25th, 2007, 09:10 AM	#126 (permalink)
Washy Six cylinders two turbos Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: in the country Local Time: 02:00 AM Posts: 18,723 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original) Yeah, but not the UK website. from johncooper.co.uk......thats where I found it anyway 135i M sport convertible

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Jul 25th, 2007, 03:41 AM	#121
Mozza MINI2 Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Local Time: 09:00 PM Posts: 27 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by zyo (original) Thats ridiculous, I wonder what sort of hourly rate our overseas friends pay for BMW/MINI service. Is it a case of us getting ripped off or is it everyone? Can't speak for the other dealers in the states but mine charges $90(45STG) an hour. From what I can gather from this thread that's considerably less than you're paying back home.

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Jul 25th, 2007, 09:12 AM	#127 (permalink)
Japper MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oil Country Local Time: 02:00 AM Posts: 1,070 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original) from johncooper.co.uk......thats where I found it anyway Sorry Washy, i meant it's not shown if you go into the Mini UK site directly or it didn't for me anyway 06 HB/W MCS Chilli

Jul 25th, 2007, 09:35 AM	#128 (permalink)
Washy Six cylinders two turbos Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: in the country Local Time: 02:00 AM Posts: 18,723 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original) Sorry Washy, i meant it's not shown if you go into the Mini UK site directly or it didn't for me anyway I just checked there and couldn't find it either..... 135i M sport convertible

Jul 25th, 2007, 12:30 PM	#129 (permalink)
zyo owt else is just traffic Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Edge of Reason Local Time: 02:00 AM Posts: 1,424 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Mozza (original) Can't speak for the other dealers in the states but mine charges $90(45STG) an hour. From what I can gather from this thread that's considerably less than you're paying back home. Yeah by the looks of it we are paying at least $200 an hour and judging by what they want to charge for fitting the JCW kit it's more like $300 an hour,

Jul 25th, 2007, 01:02 PM	#130 (permalink)
Japper MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oil Country Local Time: 02:00 AM Posts: 1,070 Offline	Drat.........................dealer has told me toady that the kit is delayed until the end of August. So it looks like i'll pick up my MCS on sept 1st. and then take it back a couple of weeks later for the kit. 06 HB/W MCS Chilli

Jul 25th, 2007, 01:05 PM	#131 (permalink)
Washy Six cylinders two turbos Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: in the country Local Time: 02:00 AM Posts: 18,723 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original) Drat.........................dealer has told me toady that the kit is delayed until the end of August. So it looks like i'll pick up my MCS on sept 1st. and then take it back a couple of weeks later for the kit. Must give my dealer a ring then as I will be in the same boat... 135i M sport convertible

Jul 26th, 2007, 03:05 PM	#132 (permalink)
Japper MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oil Country Local Time: 02:00 AM Posts: 1,070 Offline	Reply i got from customer services So Roland, we're still in the dark whether or not the cat gets changed out Dear Mr Shears Thank you for contacting MINI Customer Information. We are pleased to hear that you have a MINI Cooper S on order and can advise that we anticipate that the new JCW Tuning kit will be available from the end of July. However, we don't yet have published fuel consumption figures available for a MINI Cooper S with a JCW Kit. The main components of the JCW Kit are a sports exhaust with improved exhaust gas flow that makes the engine sound even more impressive and provides a winning look with powerful twin chrome exhaust pipe finishers. A special air filter also contributes to the improved power output and the acoustic roar. The kit is finished off by the adapted engine control unit. This makes the engine even more free-revving for rapid acceleration throughout the engine rev range. Tuning is not just a question of improved performance but also quality and safety, this is the guiding philosophy with which the JCW tuning kit was produced. This particularly applies in terms of endurance, effect on other components and compliance with statutory regulations. If the tuning kit is fitted by a MINI service authorised workshop the customer's warranty will not be effected. This is how the JCW tuning kit differs from many other tuning kits available on the market. Package includes: JCW air filter system Stainless steel sports exhaust Exhaust manifold for operation at higher temperatures Turbocharger air filter air guide Modified engine electronics system Activation code for engine control unit (specific to chassis number) JCW emblems for front grille and tailgate JCW engine badge with serial kit number JCW certificate of authenticity Part numbers are as follows: Description JCW Tuning Kit Part number 11.12.0.434.320 The kit is available at launch for manual cars only. We anticipate the tuning kit for cars with Automatic transmission will be available in September/October 2007. We hope this information is of use. Please feel free to contact us if you have any further questions. Yours sincerely MINI UK Stuart Mitchell Product Information Advisor Ellesfield Avenue Bracknell RG12 8TA Tel: 0800 083 6464 Fax: 0870 5050 206 Email: customer.information@mini.co.uk Website: www.mini.co.uk 06 HB/W MCS Chilli

Jul 26th, 2007, 04:07 PM	#133 (permalink)
Japper MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oil Country Local Time: 02:00 AM Posts: 1,070 Offline	Oh, and just to add. If they don't have official fuel consumption figures yet, then they don't have emisions or tax banding or even type approval, meaning there's no way it's goint to be out much before end of August. 06 HB/W MCS Chilli

Jul 26th, 2007, 05:28 PM	#134 (permalink)
Washy Six cylinders two turbos Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: in the country Local Time: 02:00 AM Posts: 18,723 Offline	Doesn't sound too good... 135i M sport convertible

Jul 26th, 2007, 07:35 PM	#135 (permalink)
scone MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2004 Location: Winsford,Cheshire Local Time: 02:00 AM Posts: 166 Offline	My dealer rang today and he's been in touch with BMW and they have said the kit will be available in the middle of September

Jul 26th, 2007, 07:56 PM	#136 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Big grey box Local Time: 02:00 AM Posts: 40,514 Offline	Not great. As I say, MINI have no idea when they'll get them on their press fleet, which isn't a great sign! Trained Monkeys

Jul 26th, 2007, 08:24 PM	#137 (permalink)
Japper MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oil Country Local Time: 02:00 AM Posts: 1,070 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original) Not great. As I say, MINI have no idea when they'll get them on their press fleet, which isn't a great sign! Paul, any idea what the hold up is, as Mike Coopers interview said these left his factory over a month ago ! 06 HB/W MCS Chilli

Jul 27th, 2007, 12:48 AM	#138 (permalink)
n5290066 in28ive My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Brisbane, Northside Local Time: 12:00 PM Posts: 315 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original) Reply i got from customer services So Roland, we're still in the dark whether or not the cat gets changed out Dear Mr Shears Thank you for contacting MINI Customer Information. Tuning is not just a question of improved performance but also quality and safety, this is the guiding philosophy with which the JCW tuning kit was produced. This particularly applies in terms of endurance, effect on other components and compliance with statutory regulations. If the tuning kit is fitted by a MINI service authorised workshop the customer's warranty will not be effected. This is how the JCW tuning kit differs from many other tuning kits available on the market. Package includes: JCW air filter system Stainless steel sports exhaust Exhaust manifold for operation at higher temperatures Turbocharger air filter air guide Modified engine electronics system Activation code for engine control unit (specific to chassis number) JCW emblems for front grille and tailgate JCW engine badge with serial kit number JCW certificate of authenticity Part numbers are as follows: Description JCW Tuning Kit Part number 11.12.0.434.320 The kit is available at launch for manual cars only. We anticipate the tuning kit for cars with Automatic transmission will be available in September/October 2007. We hope this information is of use. Please feel free to contact us if you have any further questions. Yours sincerely MINI UK Stuart Mitchell Email: customer.information@mini.co.uk Website: www.mini.co.uk It looks like the exhaust manifold has been modified to reduce heat. The easy way to do this is to get a free flow of gases. I reckon the dump pipe cats have been modified/changed or even 1 removed like the mod on the GTT stealth dump pipe/cats. This make sense and would have been a low risk way to improve the power output. They obviously re-mapped to allow for this and some additional boost and added the noise via air filter box and exhaust system. I am looking forward t getting it fitted and then modifying the inlet via the currently unused bonnet scoop.

Jul 27th, 2007, 09:12 AM	#139 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Big grey box Local Time: 02:00 AM Posts: 40,514 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original) Paul, any idea what the hold up is, as Mike Coopers interview said these left his factory over a month ago ! No idea, seems like somewhere things are getting a little blurred. Trained Monkeys

Jul 28th, 2007, 01:57 PM	#140 (permalink)
Washy Six cylinders two turbos Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: in the country Local Time: 02:00 AM Posts: 18,723 Offline	Spoke to my dealer this morning and the kits are on hold. Couldn't find out much more than that though... 135i M sport convertible

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