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MINIAC · Aug 9th, 2007, 01:44 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by msh441 (original)

Got link from him with manifod pics (the section that connects the head with the turbo)... as well as the heat shield cover. Both look pretty much like stock, though. So no obvious differences without some hands-on inspection.

Is the stock air filter cylindrical as shown in the following picture?

Looks like the R53 JCW filter.

msh441 · Aug 9th, 2007, 03:00 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC (original)

Is the stock air filter cylindrical as shown in the following picture?

Looks like the R53 JCW filter.

Nope... it's a standard rectangular flat panel fiter. That's the JCW internals pictured.

Washy · Aug 11th, 2007, 12:46 PM

Just been to the dealer to sort out my car and they have their kit being fitted to the demo car. So it looks it is out.
My kit was ordered as soon as they had the chassis number for the car and I am hopeful I will get it on the 1st Sept

Wooly · Aug 11th, 2007, 01:47 PM

Does the exhaust loose the popping. Ive noticed american cars dont have it, so im just wondering if the jcw will loose it too.

msh441 · Aug 12th, 2007, 08:21 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Wooly (original)

Does the exhaust loose the popping. Ive noticed american cars dont have it, so im just wondering if the jcw will loose it too.

I would guess (and it's just that - a guess) that just like now, the EU market will get a different ECU program, just like it is now for the S. Its the only thing keeping the popping off-throttle out of the US cars right now.

If anything I would guess it ADDS it to the US cars, since there has been several requests for it and it might appeal to those who would bu such a kit. Add to the audible sporty-ness of the car and all.

Tonyrec · Aug 12th, 2007, 11:47 AM

I was told by my local dealer that when you order the kit, it has to be paid for up front. This is because the VIN specific activation code is set at the factory and the CD is sent out with the kit. It can therefore only be fitted to your particular chassis number.

I do like the 'sound' of the kit but i wont commit until ive read a report or two and had the CO emissions confirmed, oh and sorted out some Insurance. I did phone More Than (who im with at the moment) and they said that they wouldnt insure my car with the stage 1 kit fitted.

As you can see, there are quite a few things to consider for the 'relative' increase in performance.

Washy · Aug 12th, 2007, 02:51 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyrec (original)

I was told by my local dealer that when you order the kit, it has to be paid for up front. This is because the VIN specific activation code is set at the factory and the CD is sent out with the kit. It can therefore only be fitted to your particular chassis number.

I do like the 'sound' of the kit but i wont commit until ive read a report or two and had the CO emissions confirmed, oh and sorted out some Insurance. I did phone More Than (who im with at the moment) and they said that they wouldnt insure my car with the stage 1 kit fitted.

As you can see, there are quite a few things to consider for the 'relative' increase in performance.

I spoke to more than and they wouldn't insure me either. Some of the others such as direct line told me that that would treat it as a works.

My dealer told me that if you ordered it you could not change your mind because of the activation code too

Tonyrec · Aug 12th, 2007, 06:03 PM

Well thats the first hurdle over....ive got a quote for £286 fully Comp for a Works Mini.

There are some bonuses for being an old git!

Washy · Aug 12th, 2007, 06:06 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyrec (original)

Well thats the first hurdle over....ive got a quote for £286 fully Comp for a Works Mini.

There are some bonuses for being an old git!

Mine has cost me a bit more than that..and I am an old git too....but it is ballpark with what I pay for my current JCW so its ok...

popey · Aug 12th, 2007, 09:09 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyrec (original)

Well thats the first hurdle over....ive got a quote for £286 fully Comp for a Works Mini.

There are some bonuses for being an old git!

Thats the same as me on a 1.25 Fiesta (27, 6 years NCD, No Points or accidents)

Intresting that Directline will insure it as a JCW as they wont let anyone under 25 mod there car (no alloys, bodykit, air filter) (Mrs is 22

)

Japper · Aug 13th, 2007, 11:15 AM

Well my insurers have the R56 Works version on their system already. My renwal will go up £40 over my existing R53MCS with an extra years no claims.........................roll on the ist Sept

Japper · Aug 13th, 2007, 11:54 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original)

Just been to the dealer to sort out my car and they have their kit being fitted to the demo car. So it looks it is out.

According to local dealer this kit is still not 'officially' released. I believe product update bulletins get sent out to dealers on a weekly basis every Monday. So only two more Mondays left if i'm to get my kit fitted before picking car up on 1st Sept.

otherwise more messing about with insurance

Washy · Aug 13th, 2007, 12:34 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original)

According to local dealer this kit is still not 'officially' released. I believe product update bulletins get sent out to dealers on a weekly basis every Monday. So only two more Mondays left if i'm to get my kit fitted before picking car up on 1st Sept.

otherwise more messing about with insurance

Interesting..So 1st Sept could be a bit optimistic then..

Japper · Aug 13th, 2007, 12:39 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original)

Interesting..So 1st Sept could be a bit optimistic then..

It's going to be tight Neil

Washy · Aug 13th, 2007, 12:42 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original)

It's going to be tight Neil

Not good...

thought this time might be third time lucky. I took my first R53 JCW without the kit as it didnt turn up in time.....my current factory JCW was delayed....oh well

Tonyrec · Aug 13th, 2007, 06:26 PM

I have just started a thread in the R53 John Cooper section about what youre vehicle will be shown as on the log book with a JCW conversion fitted.

Im now having real difficulty finding Insurance because they all say that they wont touch a Cooper S with a JCW Conversion because its not fitted at the factory and its merely a modification to improve performance.

Ive tried all the big ones such as Admiral/More Than etc and they all say the same. Unless its out of the factory as a Works then they will not touch it with a bargepole.

Im now beginning to wonder if it would be worth it

I did say that its not like ive just popped down to Halfrauds and bought a load of booty to slap on the new car to make it go faster..........................ITS A PROPER CAR!

But in essance, they see it as the same thing.

zyo · Aug 13th, 2007, 07:05 PM

I don't know how competitive they are but surely MINI's own insurance should cover it.

DerekH · Aug 13th, 2007, 07:10 PM

Guys was away for weekend spoke to dealer who said kit being fitted to 2008 model MCS for demo will be available to drive 01/09/2007, they said that the kits have been going for dealer demo's instead of customers so this has held up supply as well. I don't know if this is correct but sounded as though they new there stuff.

scone · Aug 13th, 2007, 07:40 PM

Spoke to my dealer today and they had fitted the kit to their demo and were just fitting the
R109 wheels, he said ring back tomorrow and if everything had gone OK they would arrange a test drive for me. He said customer orders would still be the middle of September. I asked how long the kit had taken to fit as the kit fitted in the review on Motoringfile had taken 6-7 hours to fit, he said it had taken no time at all.

Washy · Aug 13th, 2007, 08:27 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyrec (original)

I have just started a thread in the R53 John Cooper section about what youre vehicle will be shown as on the log book with a JCW conversion fitted.

Im now having real difficulty finding Insurance because they all say that they wont touch a Cooper S with a JCW Conversion because its not fitted at the factory and its merely a modification to improve performance.

Ive tried all the big ones such as Admiral/More Than etc and they all say the same. Unless its out of the factory as a Works then they will not touch it with a bargepole.

Im now beginning to wonder if it would be worth it

I did say that its not like ive just popped down to Halfrauds and bought a load of booty to slap on the new car to make it go faster..........................ITS A PROPER CAR!

But in essance, they see it as the same thing.

As far as I know even the factory fit cars were still MCS's as it was just an option rather than a specific car....

Aug 9th, 2007, 03:00 AM	#162 (permalink)
msh441 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pacific NW Local Time: 04:49 PM Posts: 439 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC (original) Is the stock air filter cylindrical as shown in the following picture? Looks like the R53 JCW filter. Nope... it's a standard rectangular flat panel fiter. That's the JCW internals pictured. Founding member of R56 Anonymous: "Hello. My name is Mike. I'm a driving enthusiast... and I still like the R56"

Aug 11th, 2007, 12:46 PM	#163 (permalink)
Washy Six cylinders two turbos Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: in the country Local Time: 11:49 PM Posts: 18,723 Offline	Just been to the dealer to sort out my car and they have their kit being fitted to the demo car. So it looks it is out. My kit was ordered as soon as they had the chassis number for the car and I am hopeful I will get it on the 1st Sept 135i M sport convertible

Aug 12th, 2007, 08:21 AM	#165 (permalink)
msh441 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pacific NW Local Time: 04:49 PM Posts: 439 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Wooly (original) Does the exhaust loose the popping. Ive noticed american cars dont have it, so im just wondering if the jcw will loose it too. I would guess (and it's just that - a guess) that just like now, the EU market will get a different ECU program, just like it is now for the S. Its the only thing keeping the popping off-throttle out of the US cars right now. If anything I would guess it ADDS it to the US cars, since there has been several requests for it and it might appeal to those who would bu such a kit. Add to the audible sporty-ness of the car and all. Founding member of R56 Anonymous: "Hello. My name is Mike. I'm a driving enthusiast... and I still like the R56"

Aug 12th, 2007, 02:51 PM	#167 (permalink)
Washy Six cylinders two turbos Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: in the country Local Time: 11:49 PM Posts: 18,723 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyrec (original) I was told by my local dealer that when you order the kit, it has to be paid for up front. This is because the VIN specific activation code is set at the factory and the CD is sent out with the kit. It can therefore only be fitted to your particular chassis number. I do like the 'sound' of the kit but i wont commit until ive read a report or two and had the CO emissions confirmed, oh and sorted out some Insurance. I did phone More Than (who im with at the moment) and they said that they wouldnt insure my car with the stage 1 kit fitted. As you can see, there are quite a few things to consider for the 'relative' increase in performance. I spoke to more than and they wouldn't insure me either. Some of the others such as direct line told me that that would treat it as a works. My dealer told me that if you ordered it you could not change your mind because of the activation code too 135i M sport convertible

Aug 12th, 2007, 06:06 PM	#169 (permalink)
Washy Six cylinders two turbos Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: in the country Local Time: 11:49 PM Posts: 18,723 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyrec (original) Well thats the first hurdle over....ive got a quote for £286 fully Comp for a Works Mini. There are some bonuses for being an old git! Mine has cost me a bit more than that..and I am an old git too....but it is ballpark with what I pay for my current JCW so its ok... 135i M sport convertible

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Aug 9th, 2007, 01:44 AM	#161
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 03:49 PM Posts: 8,665 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by msh441 (original) Got link from him with manifod pics (the section that connects the head with the turbo)... as well as the heat shield cover. Both look pretty much like stock, though. So no obvious differences without some hands-on inspection. Is the stock air filter cylindrical as shown in the following picture? Looks like the R53 JCW filter.

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Aug 11th, 2007, 01:47 PM	#164 (permalink)
Wooly Mad fer it Join Date: Aug 2005 Local Time: 12:49 AM Posts: 1,054 Offline	Does the exhaust loose the popping. Ive noticed american cars dont have it, so im just wondering if the jcw will loose it too.

Aug 12th, 2007, 11:47 AM	#166 (permalink)
Tonyrec MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Herts Local Time: 11:49 PM Posts: 325 Offline	I was told by my local dealer that when you order the kit, it has to be paid for up front. This is because the VIN specific activation code is set at the factory and the CD is sent out with the kit. It can therefore only be fitted to your particular chassis number. I do like the 'sound' of the kit but i wont commit until ive read a report or two and had the CO emissions confirmed, oh and sorted out some Insurance. I did phone More Than (who im with at the moment) and they said that they wouldnt insure my car with the stage 1 kit fitted. As you can see, there are quite a few things to consider for the 'relative' increase in performance.

Aug 12th, 2007, 06:03 PM	#168 (permalink)
Tonyrec MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Herts Local Time: 11:49 PM Posts: 325 Offline	Well thats the first hurdle over....ive got a quote for £286 fully Comp for a Works Mini. There are some bonuses for being an old git!

Aug 12th, 2007, 09:09 PM	#170 (permalink)
popey Wanted an Audi My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Blackpool Local Time: 11:49 PM Posts: 1,788 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyrec (original) Well thats the first hurdle over....ive got a quote for £286 fully Comp for a Works Mini. There are some bonuses for being an old git! Thats the same as me on a 1.25 Fiesta (27, 6 years NCD, No Points or accidents) Intresting that Directline will insure it as a JCW as they wont let anyone under 25 mod there car (no alloys, bodykit, air filter) (Mrs is 22)

Aug 13th, 2007, 11:15 AM	#171 (permalink)
Japper MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oil Country Local Time: 11:49 PM Posts: 1,070 Offline	Well my insurers have the R56 Works version on their system already. My renwal will go up £40 over my existing R53MCS with an extra years no claims.........................roll on the ist Sept 06 HB/W MCS Chilli

Aug 13th, 2007, 11:54 AM	#172 (permalink)
Japper MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oil Country Local Time: 11:49 PM Posts: 1,070 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original) Just been to the dealer to sort out my car and they have their kit being fitted to the demo car. So it looks it is out. According to local dealer this kit is still not 'officially' released. I believe product update bulletins get sent out to dealers on a weekly basis every Monday. So only two more Mondays left if i'm to get my kit fitted before picking car up on 1st Sept. otherwise more messing about with insurance 06 HB/W MCS Chilli

Aug 13th, 2007, 12:34 PM	#173 (permalink)
Washy Six cylinders two turbos Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: in the country Local Time: 11:49 PM Posts: 18,723 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original) According to local dealer this kit is still not 'officially' released. I believe product update bulletins get sent out to dealers on a weekly basis every Monday. So only two more Mondays left if i'm to get my kit fitted before picking car up on 1st Sept. otherwise more messing about with insurance Interesting..So 1st Sept could be a bit optimistic then.. 135i M sport convertible

Aug 13th, 2007, 12:39 PM	#174 (permalink)
Japper MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oil Country Local Time: 11:49 PM Posts: 1,070 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original) Interesting..So 1st Sept could be a bit optimistic then.. It's going to be tight Neil 06 HB/W MCS Chilli

Aug 13th, 2007, 12:42 PM	#175 (permalink)
Washy Six cylinders two turbos Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: in the country Local Time: 11:49 PM Posts: 18,723 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original) It's going to be tight Neil Not good... thought this time might be third time lucky. I took my first R53 JCW without the kit as it didnt turn up in time.....my current factory JCW was delayed....oh well 135i M sport convertible

Aug 13th, 2007, 06:26 PM	#176 (permalink)
Tonyrec MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Herts Local Time: 11:49 PM Posts: 325 Offline	I have just started a thread in the R53 John Cooper section about what youre vehicle will be shown as on the log book with a JCW conversion fitted. Im now having real difficulty finding Insurance because they all say that they wont touch a Cooper S with a JCW Conversion because its not fitted at the factory and its merely a modification to improve performance. Ive tried all the big ones such as Admiral/More Than etc and they all say the same. Unless its out of the factory as a Works then they will not touch it with a bargepole. Im now beginning to wonder if it would be worth it I did say that its not like ive just popped down to Halfrauds and bought a load of booty to slap on the new car to make it go faster..........................ITS A PROPER CAR! But in essance, they see it as the same thing.

Aug 13th, 2007, 07:05 PM	#177 (permalink)
zyo owt else is just traffic Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Edge of Reason Local Time: 11:49 PM Posts: 1,424 Offline	I don't know how competitive they are but surely MINI's own insurance should cover it.

Aug 13th, 2007, 07:10 PM	#178 (permalink)
DerekH MINI2 Master Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fraserburgh Local Time: 12:49 AM Posts: 827 Offline	Guys was away for weekend spoke to dealer who said kit being fitted to 2008 model MCS for demo will be available to drive 01/09/2007, they said that the kits have been going for dealer demo's instead of customers so this has held up supply as well. I don't know if this is correct but sounded as though they new there stuff.

Aug 13th, 2007, 07:40 PM	#179 (permalink)
scone MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2004 Location: Winsford,Cheshire Local Time: 11:49 PM Posts: 166 Offline	Spoke to my dealer today and they had fitted the kit to their demo and were just fitting the R109 wheels, he said ring back tomorrow and if everything had gone OK they would arrange a test drive for me. He said customer orders would still be the middle of September. I asked how long the kit had taken to fit as the kit fitted in the review on Motoringfile had taken 6-7 hours to fit, he said it had taken no time at all.

Aug 13th, 2007, 08:27 PM	#180 (permalink)
Washy Six cylinders two turbos Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: in the country Local Time: 11:49 PM Posts: 18,723 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyrec (original) I have just started a thread in the R53 John Cooper section about what youre vehicle will be shown as on the log book with a JCW conversion fitted. Im now having real difficulty finding Insurance because they all say that they wont touch a Cooper S with a JCW Conversion because its not fitted at the factory and its merely a modification to improve performance. Ive tried all the big ones such as Admiral/More Than etc and they all say the same. Unless its out of the factory as a Works then they will not touch it with a bargepole. Im now beginning to wonder if it would be worth it I did say that its not like ive just popped down to Halfrauds and bought a load of booty to slap on the new car to make it go faster..........................ITS A PROPER CAR! But in essance, they see it as the same thing. As far as I know even the factory fit cars were still MCS's as it was just an option rather than a specific car.... 135i M sport convertible

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