[mini5lover]

Hello all, I have just got back from my dealer having taken Swiper for his first oil/brake fluid change.
Got chatting whilst waiting and was told that there will be a works upgrade available in two weeks time (the same as I already have on Swiper), dealer fitted. The factory fit will not be available until next year I was told.
Furthermore he had one! they were running it in and he said I could drive it on Sunday if I like.
Well, I had already decided to keep Swiper for a few years as I love the supercharged works and was wary of a turbo charged one, but he assured me that the works has a twin turbo and with the uprated torque would be speedy, although the bhp is still only 210.
I am tempted (I think) but would anyone advise me to wait for the factory fit? Will it be better/faster does anyone think. Obviously my dealer doesnt want me to wait hes after my cash!

[Paul]

1) It doesn't have a twin turbo
2) It isn't 210 hp.
3) Look here: 2nd Gen John Cooper Works in particular here: JCW Stage 1 tuning kit released

[mini5lover]

Oh my goodness my husband was right then.
I like a fool believed him.So it wont be as fast as Swiper then? I might still have a drive on Sunday even if only to tell him I will wait for the factory build. Which incidentally he tells me will be no faster than this upgrade. Is that a lie as well?

[Paul]

Yes the new works will be quicker than your current works. The standard new S is pretty much as quick (in some cases quicker) than the old 210 hp Works, so the new Works will be quicker still.

[Japper]

Quote: Originally Posted by mini5lover (original)

Oh my goodness my husband was right then.
I like a fool believed him.So it wont be as fast as Swiper then? I might still have a drive on Sunday even if only to tell him I will wait for the factory build. Which incidentally he tells me will be no faster than this upgrade. Is that a lie as well?

I'm sure you'll find out on Sunday that the R56 with JCW Stage 1 kit will be quicker than yours. The std. R56MCS feels nearly as quick as a R53MCS and mags have been testing it and stating similar, if not quicker times.

[Japper]

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original)

Yes the new works will be quicker than your current works. The standard new S is pretty much as quick (in some cases quicker) than the old 210 hp Works, so the new Works will be quicker still.

Beat me

[mini5lover]

I suppose I cannot comment until after Sunday when I drive it, will let you know, Swiper is supposed to be 6.5 seconds though and I thought the new one is 6.8.
I cant wait to try it out.

[Japper]

Quote: Originally Posted by mini5lover (original)

I suppose I cannot comment until after Sunday when I drive it, will let you know, Swiper is supposed to be 6.5 seconds though and I thought the new one is 6.8.
I cant wait to try it out.

Swiper is listed as 6.7 IIRC. The std. R56MCS is posting them kind of times in auto tests. The Works kitted ones should pull low 6's.

[Japper]

Forgot to add. If you're testing a brand new demo with less than 1000miles on it then it will not be at it's best. I have test driven 3 or 4 R56MCS now and they really do need a few miles to loosen up. Not something i found nearly as much with the R53.

[Paul]

MINI Cooper S - Pre-facelift

Max. output/hp/revs: 154 kW (210 hp) at 6950 rpm

Max. torque/revs: 245 Nm at 4500 rpm

Top speed: 230 km/h

Acceleration 0-100 km/h: 6.7 sec

Acceleration 80-120 km/h, 4th / 5th / 6th gear: 5.6 sec.

Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (urban): 11.4 l/100 km / 270 g/km

Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (extra-urban): 6.8 l/100 km / 162 g/km

Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (combined): 8.4 l/100 km / 202 g/km

MINI Cooper S - Post-facelift

Max. output/hp/revs: 154 kW (210 hp) at 6950 rpm

Max. torque/revs: 245 Nm at 4500 rpm

Top speed: 230 km/h

Acceleration 0-100 km/h: 6.6 sec

Acceleration 80-120 km/h,4th / 5th / 6th gear: 5.4 / 6.7 / 8.9 sec

Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (urban): 11.8 l/100 km / 281 g/km

Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (extra-urban): 6.8 l/100 km / 163 g/km

Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (combined): 8.6 l/100 km / 207 g/km

MINI Cooper S - Second Generation

Max. output/hp/revs: 141 kW (192 hp) at 6000 rpm

Max. torque/revs: 250 Nm at 1750-5000 rpm
270 Nm at 1750-4500 rpm with Overboost)

Top speed: 232 km/h

Acceleration 0-100 km/h: 6.8 sec

Acceleration 80-120 km/h, 4th / 5th / 6th gear: 5.3 / 6.6 / 7.6 sec.

Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (urban): 8.9 l/100 km / (n/a)

Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (extra-urban): 5.7 l/100 km / (n/a)

Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (combined): 6.9 l/100 km / 164 g/km

[scone]

Road and Track magazine have tested R53 Works and R56 MCS on the same bit of track in near enough identical conditions and the times are near enough exactly the same.http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...pockets_dp.pdf
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...data_panel.pdf

[mini5lover]

Well thank you everyone, this is a lot to take in, cant wait for Sunday!!!

[DerekH]

That extra torque will help the R56 no end also with low revs, to pull out of corners. i love our new MCS and for a petrol engine the torque is great i was worried after having two 330D Bmws with my current car having massive torque only wish the 335D had manual box but to much torque for manual at present.

[mini5lover]

I know I am probably having a "girlie" moment but I wish I understood what torque means. Anyone put it in english for me?

[Japper]

Quote: Originally Posted by mini5lover (original)

I know I am probably having a "girlie" moment but I wish I understood what torque means. Anyone put it in english for me?

Torque is what pushes you back in your seat and power is what keeps you pinned back once there.

[Paul]

This is a fairly basic and easy to understand explanation. As torque is force, it's a bit hard to explain as power and torque are related and hard to describe really! What is torque? - Ask.cars.com Torque basically (as that implies) is the "raw" pulling or pushing power of the engine, the more torque, the "stronger" the engine is, something like that anyway.

[devaisl]

Mmm interesting! Pauls figures from Mini/ John Cooper Works shows that the post facelift S goes 0-100km in 6.6 seconds as opposed to the R56 figure of 0-100km in 6.8. I always presumed the R56 0-100km was a tad quicker than the post facelift?

[mini5lover]

Thanks for the explanation, I understand a bit better now.

As the last post said, my mcs works is supposed to be 6.6 seconds and the new mcs 6.8 so how can people say the new one is faster when the figures suggest otherwise?

[Paul]

Generally speaking people spend less time sprinting to 62mph from a standstill than they do working in the gears and driving at various speeds from 10-20 mph up to whatever speeds they go to. It's the in gear times, wider, flatter power band and high torque figures that make the new car quicker in "real life" than the old car. Either way, we're talking tiny margins, until you get to the 6th gear performance where the new car is around a second "faster" than the old car.

[Japper]

Quote: Originally Posted by mini5lover (original)

Thanks for the explanation, I understand a bit better now.

As the last post said, my mcs works is supposed to be 6.6 seconds and the new mcs 6.8 so how can people say the new one is faster when the figures suggest otherwise?

What they state and what you get are two different things. They state 7.1secs for the std. MCS but ALL auto mags world wide have beaten this by some margin. In fact i think one managed a 5.8 sec. time