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DHA · Sep 1st, 2007, 11:01 PM

Was looking at mini.co.uk today and was loving the interior and exterior options you can get from JCW. However I was disappointed to see that the works kit "only" offers 190bhp compared to 210 in the previous gen MINI. Any ideas why this is? I see the torque is similar but 190bhp these days isnt a huge amount of power.

Scrogg · Sep 1st, 2007, 11:08 PM

The dealer-fitted 'Stage 1' kit is 190bhp, yes.

The John Cooper Works factory model, due out next year, will be 210bhp.

DHA · Sep 1st, 2007, 11:14 PM

Ahhh

I shall (well I have to anyway) wait an see what that brings. Cheers

kevkbuk · Sep 2nd, 2007, 02:58 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Scrogg (original)

The John Cooper Works factory model, due out next year, will be 210bhp.

Have Mini actually announced this yet???

Scrogg · Sep 2nd, 2007, 03:13 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by kevkbuk (original)

Have Mini actually announced this yet???

According to the News section on here, yes.

Although I should have put 'around 210bhp'!

zyo · Sep 2nd, 2007, 03:14 PM

I think some people on here have said that the R56 MCS is as quick as the first generation works and thats with 175bhp so the 192 bhp should be a useful gain. My dealer has got their works kit fitted to the demonstrator so why not pop and see if your dealer has and take it for a spin.

Paul · Sep 2nd, 2007, 03:54 PM

MINI Cooper S - Pre-facelift

Max. output/hp/revs: 154 kW (210 hp) at 6950 rpm

Max. torque/revs: 245 Nm at 4500 rpm

Top speed: 230 km/h

Acceleration 0-100 km/h: 6.7 sec

Acceleration 80-120 km/h, 4th / 5th / 6th gear: 5.6 sec.

Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (urban): 11.4 l/100 km / 270 g/km

Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (extra-urban): 6.8 l/100 km / 162 g/km

Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (combined): 8.4 l/100 km / 202 g/km

MINI Cooper S - Post-facelift

Max. output/hp/revs: 154 kW (210 hp) at 6950 rpm

Max. torque/revs: 245 Nm at 4500 rpm

Top speed: 230 km/h

Acceleration 0-100 km/h: 6.6 sec

Acceleration 80-120 km/h,4th / 5th / 6th gear: 5.4 / 6.7 / 8.9 sec

Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (urban): 11.8 l/100 km / 281 g/km

Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (extra-urban): 6.8 l/100 km / 163 g/km

Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (combined): 8.6 l/100 km / 207 g/km

MINI Cooper S - Second Generation

Max. output/hp/revs: 141 kW (192 hp) at 6000 rpm

Max. torque/revs: 250 Nm at 1750-5000 rpm
270 Nm at 1750-4500 rpm with Overboost)

Top speed: 232 km/h

Acceleration 0-100 km/h: 6.8 sec

Acceleration 80-120 km/h, 4th / 5th / 6th gear: 5.3 / 6.6 / 7.6 sec.

Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (urban): 8.9 l/100 km / (n/a)

Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (extra-urban): 5.7 l/100 km / (n/a)

Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (combined): 6.9 l/100 km / 164 g/km

Paul · Sep 2nd, 2007, 03:55 PM

Look at the peak power and especially torque, and when you have that 'on tap'.

kevkbuk · Sep 2nd, 2007, 04:58 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Scrogg (original)

According to the News section on here, yes.

No, the Mini Challenge race car is not road legal, though you can buy one if you want an expensive track toy.

Scrogg · Sep 2nd, 2007, 05:03 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by kevkbuk (original)

No, the Mini Challenge race car is not road legal, though you can buy one if you want an expensive track toy.

Look a bit further down that article.

The section entitled "Factory JCW MINI Cooper S Next Year?"

kevkbuk · Sep 2nd, 2007, 05:28 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Scrogg (original)

The section entitled "Factory JCW MINI Cooper S Next Year?"

These are just rumours though still aren't they? Nothing has been confirmed...

I would guess that such a model would be likely, but I can also remember a while back when all Mini sites reported there would be no dealer fit R56 Tuning kits....

msh441 · Sep 3rd, 2007, 08:20 AM

The R56S is really more than what the paper bhp numbers would suggest. What the bone-stock S does with175 bhp is incredible.

I have a feeling allthough 192bhp is lower than the previous generations JHW on paper, the overall performance of the newer car is going to be off the hook.

I was an early adopter and haven't been disappointed over 8000 miles... I'll give the JCW kit a shot.

Sep 1st, 2007, 11:01 PM	#1
DHA Should I JCW or not? Join Date: Jul 2005 Local Time: 06:51 AM Posts: 159 Offline	New S works only 190bhp? Was looking at mini.co.uk today and was loving the interior and exterior options you can get from JCW. However I was disappointed to see that the works kit "only" offers 190bhp compared to 210 in the previous gen MINI. Any ideas why this is? I see the torque is similar but 190bhp these days isnt a huge amount of power.

Sep 3rd, 2007, 08:20 AM	#12 (permalink)
msh441 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pacific NW Local Time: 10:51 PM Posts: 439 Offline	The R56S is really more than what the paper bhp numbers would suggest. What the bone-stock S does with175 bhp is incredible. I have a feeling allthough 192bhp is lower than the previous generations JHW on paper, the overall performance of the newer car is going to be off the hook. I was an early adopter and haven't been disappointed over 8000 miles... I'll give the JCW kit a shot. Founding member of R56 Anonymous: "Hello. My name is Mike. I'm a driving enthusiast... and I still like the R56"

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Sep 1st, 2007, 11:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
Scrogg YLYP Reclamation Squad Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gloucester Local Time: 06:51 AM Posts: 15,246 Offline	The dealer-fitted 'Stage 1' kit is 190bhp, yes. The John Cooper Works factory model, due out next year, will be 210bhp.

Sep 1st, 2007, 11:14 PM	#3 (permalink)
DHA Should I JCW or not? Join Date: Jul 2005 Local Time: 06:51 AM Posts: 159 Offline	Ahhh I shall (well I have to anyway) wait an see what that brings. Cheers

Sep 2nd, 2007, 02:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
kevkbuk MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2006 Local Time: 06:51 AM Posts: 463 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Scrogg (original) The John Cooper Works factory model, due out next year, will be 210bhp. Have Mini actually announced this yet???

Sep 2nd, 2007, 03:13 PM	#5 (permalink)
Scrogg YLYP Reclamation Squad Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gloucester Local Time: 06:51 AM Posts: 15,246 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by kevkbuk (original) Have Mini actually announced this yet??? According to the News section on here, yes. Although I should have put 'around 210bhp'!

Sep 2nd, 2007, 03:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
zyo owt else is just traffic Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Edge of Reason Local Time: 06:51 AM Posts: 1,428 Offline	I think some people on here have said that the R56 MCS is as quick as the first generation works and thats with 175bhp so the 192 bhp should be a useful gain. My dealer has got their works kit fitted to the demonstrator so why not pop and see if your dealer has and take it for a spin.

Sep 2nd, 2007, 03:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 06:51 AM Posts: 40,709 Offline	MINI Cooper S - Pre-facelift Max. output/hp/revs: 154 kW (210 hp) at 6950 rpm Max. torque/revs: 245 Nm at 4500 rpm Top speed: 230 km/h Acceleration 0-100 km/h: 6.7 sec Acceleration 80-120 km/h, 4th / 5th / 6th gear: 5.6 sec. Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (urban): 11.4 l/100 km / 270 g/km Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (extra-urban): 6.8 l/100 km / 162 g/km Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (combined): 8.4 l/100 km / 202 g/km MINI Cooper S - Post-facelift Max. output/hp/revs: 154 kW (210 hp) at 6950 rpm Max. torque/revs: 245 Nm at 4500 rpm Top speed: 230 km/h Acceleration 0-100 km/h: 6.6 sec Acceleration 80-120 km/h,4th / 5th / 6th gear: 5.4 / 6.7 / 8.9 sec Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (urban): 11.8 l/100 km / 281 g/km Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (extra-urban): 6.8 l/100 km / 163 g/km Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (combined): 8.6 l/100 km / 207 g/km MINI Cooper S - Second Generation Max. output/hp/revs: 141 kW (192 hp) at 6000 rpm Max. torque/revs: 250 Nm at 1750-5000 rpm 270 Nm at 1750-4500 rpm with Overboost) Top speed: 232 km/h Acceleration 0-100 km/h: 6.8 sec Acceleration 80-120 km/h, 4th / 5th / 6th gear: 5.3 / 6.6 / 7.6 sec. Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (urban): 8.9 l/100 km / (n/a) Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (extra-urban): 5.7 l/100 km / (n/a) Fuel consumption / CO2 emission (combined): 6.9 l/100 km / 164 g/km

Sep 2nd, 2007, 03:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 06:51 AM Posts: 40,709 Offline	Look at the peak power and especially torque, and when you have that 'on tap'.

Sep 2nd, 2007, 04:58 PM	#9 (permalink)
kevkbuk MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2006 Local Time: 06:51 AM Posts: 463 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Scrogg (original) According to the News section on here, yes. No, the Mini Challenge race car is not road legal, though you can buy one if you want an expensive track toy.

Sep 2nd, 2007, 05:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
Scrogg YLYP Reclamation Squad Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gloucester Local Time: 06:51 AM Posts: 15,246 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by kevkbuk (original) No, the Mini Challenge race car is not road legal, though you can buy one if you want an expensive track toy. Look a bit further down that article. The section entitled "Factory JCW MINI Cooper S Next Year?"

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Sep 2nd, 2007, 05:28 PM	#11 (permalink)
kevkbuk MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2006 Local Time: 06:51 AM Posts: 463 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Scrogg (original) The section entitled "Factory JCW MINI Cooper S Next Year?" These are just rumours though still aren't they? Nothing has been confirmed... I would guess that such a model would be likely, but I can also remember a while back when all Mini sites reported there would be no dealer fit R56 Tuning kits....