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Den W · Nov 16th, 2007, 09:08 AM

Hi all, has anyone got any news on the stage2 yet? Will we be able to have it retro fitted like the stage 1 at a dealer or is it only available on the forth coming stand alone JCW S? questions questions!..............

Rakey · Nov 16th, 2007, 09:54 AM

There is no confirmed information on this product, but if you search for Factory JCW you will find the thread about the stage two kit with the rumours on it, as it is rumoured to be a factory built car, about 218bhp, more agresive and hard core than the standard car, more in line with the GP special edition

kevkbuk · Nov 16th, 2007, 10:16 AM

Latest rumour from Motoringfile is that it'll be a factory model with different engine kit and the JCW brake kit. No JCW suspension, or special bodykit... those will all be dealer fit still to rake in the £££s for Mini.

minicabrio · Nov 16th, 2007, 11:36 AM

Hi Den,

I think the general consensus is that the Stage 1 kit that's currently available will always be available as a retrofit by the dealers - the Stage 2 car will be a factory works fitted vehicle, not available for retrofit.

Jon

DHA · Nov 17th, 2007, 08:34 PM

From motoring file:

"In between US Clubman and 1 Series debuts at the LA Autoshow, we managed to get some further inside info on the new factory JCW MINI.

We know the car will make it’s public debut at the Geneva Motor Show next March. Now we can finally confirm that the factory JCW MINI will be released for sale worldwide in June of 2008. We’re not clear if it will be labeled as a 2008 or 2009 at this time but we hope to have some clarification by the Geneva Motorshow in March.

In the meantime, check back Monday for some further JCW news."

Tara&Paul · Nov 17th, 2007, 11:27 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Den W (original)

Hi all, has anyone got any news on the stage2 yet? Will we be able to have it retro fitted like the stage 1 at a dealer or is it only available on the forth coming stand alone JCW S? questions questions!..............

Not wishing to be a kill joy or rain on anyone's parade, but isn't 192 bhp enough in an R56? In the short time that I've owned my R56 JCW, I've found that 192 bhp is sometimes too much for the car if the road surface is less than bone dry.

A couple of times I've dropped from 6th to 3rd to over-take a slower vehicle and the front wheels have lost traction and the traction control has cut in. I've then switched the TC off, but when the LSD bites it gets a bit snatchy.

So do we really need more than 199ft lb of torque? Isn't 0 to 60mph in six and a bit seconds and 145 mph top speed enough in an R56?

There is a difference between power and usable power!

P.

msh441 · Nov 18th, 2007, 02:35 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tara&Paul (original)

Not wishing to be a kill joy or rain on anyone's parade, but isn't 192 bhp enough in an R56? In the short time that I've owned my R56 JCW, I've found that 192 bhp is sometimes too much for the car if the road surface is less than bone dry.

We're into the web season here in Washington (one word=fallwinterspring

) and I would have to agree. The Stage I is a hangful in the wet. Squirmy on every take-off. A little squggley during the changes to 2nd, 3rd and 4th. No traction control kicking in on me, though... just the LSD transferring powered back and forth as the runflats struggle to get a grip. I can't imagine what even more power would be like.

That said, I'd be willing to try!

Japper · Nov 18th, 2007, 10:56 AM

Well i must have a good one then, because traction on mine is eye watering. My std R53MCS would light up it's front tyres in the first four gears in the wet. So in answer to the original question................yes i think the R56 chassis can handle more power

.

DHA · Nov 18th, 2007, 11:28 AM

I think tyres are a major thing here, with runflats we had traction problems in our R53 MCS and the GP. The GP is now on Michelin non runflats and traction is not a problem.

BlackManWilly · Nov 18th, 2007, 09:00 PM

Just a small, off-topic question: What happens if a tyre gets punchured in the middle of no where and you don't have runflats on???

Tara&Paul · Nov 18th, 2007, 09:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by BlackManWilly (original)

Just a small, off-topic question: What happens if a tyre gets punchured in the middle of no where and you don't have runflats on???

You either put the spare tyre on, if you have one or you have a long walk home!

Tara&Paul · Nov 18th, 2007, 09:49 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original)

Well i must have a good one then, because traction on mine is eye watering. My std R53MCS would light up it's front tyres in the first four gears in the wet. So in answer to the original question................yes i think the R56 chassis can handle more power

.

I agree with you, I think the R56 chassis can handle more power than 192 bhp. However, I don't think the 18" Bridgestone Potenza runflat tyres that I have on my MCS can!

Any suggestions out there?

P & T.

DHA · Nov 18th, 2007, 11:43 PM

Michelin Pilot Sports (and a can of tyre foam in case you get a puncture

)

Japper · Nov 19th, 2007, 02:46 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tara&Paul (original)

I agree with you, I think the R56 chassis can handle more power than 192 bhp. However, I don't think the 18" Bridgestone Potenza runflat tyres that I have on my MCS can!

Any suggestions out there?

P & T.

Same tyres as mine and they seem to grip remarkably well considering the power / torque.

Den W · Nov 19th, 2007, 05:11 PM

Thanks guys for the responses I'm just not sure about the 192 kit - don't get me wrong it's awsome but the 2 cars I've driven which were both well run in didn't feel different enough to my standard S.........

Maybe I should sell the other kidney and save up some pennies towards the JCW car coming out

Den

Tara&Paul · Nov 21st, 2007, 09:52 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original)

Same tyres as mine and they seem to grip remarkably well considering the power / torque.

Japper, how many miles have you done on the Potenza runflats? Maybe mine still have to be scrubbed in?

P.

Japper · Nov 22nd, 2007, 08:06 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tara&Paul (original)

Japper, how many miles have you done on the Potenza runflats? Maybe mine still have to be scrubbed in?

P.

3K Miles now

IIRC they were good after 500 miles but seem to have got a little better.

I don't do traffic light grand prix's but i very rarely trigger the traction control............LSD yes but not TC. I drive with the TC turned off a lot of the time and find very little difference, so turn it off far less than i did on my R53MCS even with the MTH tune.

DerekH · Dec 2nd, 2007, 06:35 PM

I think Japper must have an advantage with the heat in his home town melting the tar and making his tyre's stick to the road or he drive's with the music on full tilt so can't hear

his tyre's screaming for there life, or maybe it's because i have no LSD.

Japper · Dec 2nd, 2007, 06:49 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by DerekH (original)

I think Japper must have an advantage with the heat in his home town melting the tar and making his tyre's stick to the road or he drive's with the music on full tilt so can't hear

his tyre's screaming for there life, or maybe it's because i have no LSD.

Lol, heat in Aberdeen....................funny

The LSD is an absolute must in my opinion. This thing just sticks and goes.

By the way i'm too old to have my music loud. A night in Babylon last night only strengthend that point beyond any doubt

DerekH · Dec 4th, 2007, 09:59 PM

Japper so thats the answer no LSD, not the heat then, or the music volume.

Nov 16th, 2007, 09:08 AM	#1
Den W Now Aero Kitted! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Essex Local Time: 12:17 AM Posts: 330 Offline	Info on jcw stage2? Hi all, has anyone got any news on the stage2 yet? Will we be able to have it retro fitted like the stage 1 at a dealer or is it only available on the forth coming stand alone JCW S? questions questions!..............

Nov 16th, 2007, 09:54 AM	#2 (permalink)
Rakey Remember My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 12:17 AM Posts: 50,154 Offline	There is no confirmed information on this product, but if you search for Factory JCW you will find the thread about the stage two kit with the rumours on it, as it is rumoured to be a factory built car, about 218bhp, more agresive and hard core than the standard car, more in line with the GP special edition The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

Nov 18th, 2007, 02:35 AM	#7 (permalink)
msh441 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pacific NW Local Time: 05:17 PM Posts: 439 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Tara&Paul (original) Not wishing to be a kill joy or rain on anyone's parade, but isn't 192 bhp enough in an R56? In the short time that I've owned my R56 JCW, I've found that 192 bhp is sometimes too much for the car if the road surface is less than bone dry. We're into the web season here in Washington (one word=fallwinterspring ) and I would have to agree. The Stage I is a hangful in the wet. Squirmy on every take-off. A little squggley during the changes to 2nd, 3rd and 4th. No traction control kicking in on me, though... just the LSD transferring powered back and forth as the runflats struggle to get a grip. I can't imagine what even more power would be like. That said, I'd be willing to try! Founding member of R56 Anonymous: "Hello. My name is Mike. I'm a driving enthusiast... and I still like the R56"

Nov 18th, 2007, 10:56 AM	#8 (permalink)
Japper MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oil Country Local Time: 12:17 AM Posts: 1,070 Offline	Well i must have a good one then, because traction on mine is eye watering. My std R53MCS would light up it's front tyres in the first four gears in the wet. So in answer to the original question................yes i think the R56 chassis can handle more power. 06 HB/W MCS Chilli

Nov 18th, 2007, 09:49 PM	#12 (permalink)
Tara&Paul doh! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hertfordshire Local Time: 12:17 AM Posts: 578 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original) Well i must have a good one then, because traction on mine is eye watering. My std R53MCS would light up it's front tyres in the first four gears in the wet. So in answer to the original question................yes i think the R56 chassis can handle more power. I agree with you, I think the R56 chassis can handle more power than 192 bhp. However, I don't think the 18" Bridgestone Potenza runflat tyres that I have on my MCS can! Any suggestions out there? P & T.

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Nov 16th, 2007, 10:16 AM	#3 (permalink)
kevkbuk MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2006 Local Time: 12:17 AM Posts: 652 Offline	Latest rumour from Motoringfile is that it'll be a factory model with different engine kit and the JCW brake kit. No JCW suspension, or special bodykit... those will all be dealer fit still to rake in the £££s for Mini.

Nov 16th, 2007, 11:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
minicabrio Sing-a-long MINIer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampshire Local Time: 12:17 AM Posts: 16,150 Offline	Hi Den, I think the general consensus is that the Stage 1 kit that's currently available will always be available as a retrofit by the dealers - the Stage 2 car will be a factory works fitted vehicle, not available for retrofit. Jon

Nov 17th, 2007, 08:34 PM	#5 (permalink)
DHA Should I JCW or not? Join Date: Jul 2005 Local Time: 12:17 AM Posts: 160 Offline	From motoring file: "In between US Clubman and 1 Series debuts at the LA Autoshow, we managed to get some further inside info on the new factory JCW MINI. We know the car will make it’s public debut at the Geneva Motor Show next March. Now we can finally confirm that the factory JCW MINI will be released for sale worldwide in June of 2008. We’re not clear if it will be labeled as a 2008 or 2009 at this time but we hope to have some clarification by the Geneva Motorshow in March. In the meantime, check back Monday for some further JCW news."

Nov 17th, 2007, 11:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tara&Paul doh! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hertfordshire Local Time: 12:17 AM Posts: 578 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Den W (original) Hi all, has anyone got any news on the stage2 yet? Will we be able to have it retro fitted like the stage 1 at a dealer or is it only available on the forth coming stand alone JCW S? questions questions!.............. Not wishing to be a kill joy or rain on anyone's parade, but isn't 192 bhp enough in an R56? In the short time that I've owned my R56 JCW, I've found that 192 bhp is sometimes too much for the car if the road surface is less than bone dry. A couple of times I've dropped from 6th to 3rd to over-take a slower vehicle and the front wheels have lost traction and the traction control has cut in. I've then switched the TC off, but when the LSD bites it gets a bit snatchy. So do we really need more than 199ft lb of torque? Isn't 0 to 60mph in six and a bit seconds and 145 mph top speed enough in an R56? There is a difference between power and usable power! P.

Nov 18th, 2007, 11:28 AM	#9 (permalink)
DHA Should I JCW or not? Join Date: Jul 2005 Local Time: 12:17 AM Posts: 160 Offline	I think tyres are a major thing here, with runflats we had traction problems in our R53 MCS and the GP. The GP is now on Michelin non runflats and traction is not a problem.

Nov 18th, 2007, 09:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
BlackManWilly Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Local Time: 01:17 AM Posts: 12 Offline	Just a small, off-topic question: What happens if a tyre gets punchured in the middle of no where and you don't have runflats on???

Nov 18th, 2007, 09:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
Tara&Paul doh! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hertfordshire Local Time: 12:17 AM Posts: 578 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by BlackManWilly (original) Just a small, off-topic question: What happens if a tyre gets punchured in the middle of no where and you don't have runflats on??? You either put the spare tyre on, if you have one or you have a long walk home!

Nov 18th, 2007, 11:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
DHA Should I JCW or not? Join Date: Jul 2005 Local Time: 12:17 AM Posts: 160 Offline	Michelin Pilot Sports (and a can of tyre foam in case you get a puncture )

Nov 19th, 2007, 02:46 AM	#14 (permalink)
Japper MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oil Country Local Time: 12:17 AM Posts: 1,070 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Tara&Paul (original) I agree with you, I think the R56 chassis can handle more power than 192 bhp. However, I don't think the 18" Bridgestone Potenza runflat tyres that I have on my MCS can! Any suggestions out there? P & T. Same tyres as mine and they seem to grip remarkably well considering the power / torque. 06 HB/W MCS Chilli

Nov 19th, 2007, 05:11 PM	#15 (permalink)
Den W Now Aero Kitted! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Essex Local Time: 12:17 AM Posts: 330 Offline	Thanks guys for the responses I'm just not sure about the 192 kit - don't get me wrong it's awsome but the 2 cars I've driven which were both well run in didn't feel different enough to my standard S......... Maybe I should sell the other kidney and save up some pennies towards the JCW car coming out Den

Nov 21st, 2007, 09:52 PM	#16 (permalink)
Tara&Paul doh! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hertfordshire Local Time: 12:17 AM Posts: 578 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original) Same tyres as mine and they seem to grip remarkably well considering the power / torque. Japper, how many miles have you done on the Potenza runflats? Maybe mine still have to be scrubbed in? P.

Nov 22nd, 2007, 08:06 AM	#17 (permalink)
Japper MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oil Country Local Time: 12:17 AM Posts: 1,070 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Tara&Paul (original) Japper, how many miles have you done on the Potenza runflats? Maybe mine still have to be scrubbed in? P. 3K Miles now IIRC they were good after 500 miles but seem to have got a little better. I don't do traffic light grand prix's but i very rarely trigger the traction control............LSD yes but not TC. I drive with the TC turned off a lot of the time and find very little difference, so turn it off far less than i did on my R53MCS even with the MTH tune. 06 HB/W MCS Chilli

Dec 2nd, 2007, 06:35 PM	#18 (permalink)
DerekH MINI2 Master Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fraserburgh Local Time: 01:17 AM Posts: 827 Offline	I think Japper must have an advantage with the heat in his home town melting the tar and making his tyre's stick to the road or he drive's with the music on full tilt so can't hear his tyre's screaming for there life, or maybe it's because i have no LSD.

Dec 2nd, 2007, 06:49 PM	#19 (permalink)
Japper MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oil Country Local Time: 12:17 AM Posts: 1,070 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by DerekH (original) I think Japper must have an advantage with the heat in his home town melting the tar and making his tyre's stick to the road or he drive's with the music on full tilt so can't hear his tyre's screaming for there life, or maybe it's because i have no LSD. Lol, heat in Aberdeen....................funny The LSD is an absolute must in my opinion. This thing just sticks and goes. By the way i'm too old to have my music loud. A night in Babylon last night only strengthend that point beyond any doubt 06 HB/W MCS Chilli

Dec 4th, 2007, 09:59 PM	#20 (permalink)
DerekH MINI2 Master Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fraserburgh Local Time: 01:17 AM Posts: 827 Offline	Japper so thats the answer no LSD, not the heat then, or the music volume.

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