[Washy]

Quote: Originally Posted by mini5lover (original)

Looks nice but with all those improvements is not as fast as I thought it would be, only 6.5 seconds, that is not much better than my works is it? I dont really think that it would be worth the extra money but time will tell when we see it in the flesh.

Its not about the 0-60 IMHO.....my R56 stage 1 JCW is much faster than my old works was where it really matters and that is the in gear accelleration...

[Tara&Paul]

Quote: Originally Posted by Humph (original)

Seems a little short sighted this statement, sorry. It's not all about 0-60 times, bhp, and top speed. No point having these things if the car can't handle it. Therefore this model has upgraded brakes, suspension, DTC etc. to improve the driving experience. Also as stated until we see the full tech info and curves it's difficult to make too much sense of what the difefrences will be. And they are throwing in some additional standard kit.

The car is pricey, but isn't every MINI. As quoted earlier it is still cheaper that the GP was.

What isn't clear is whether the Aero kit is included. Whether this car will have the option to spec chili pack etc. or is it a GP type standard package? If it is possible to spec the car up it will end up being a very pricey little car.

I have also being wondering about the lifespan of the tuning kit now. Will they continue to produce it? Or will it be dropped in the same way as the Cooper works kit was when the MCS was released? Time will tell.

I was really looking forward to the release of the JCW Stage 2 kit as was ready to part with some hard earned cash again, but I'm initially disappointed.

I was hoping that the Stage 2 kit would have about 220bhp and turn the R56 MCS into a sub 6 second 0 to 60mph car, low 5's would have been nice! And have a transmission and suspension set-up that could deal with the extra power so that you could use all the power in real world driving and not just on the track.

I'll still probably buy one though....

[MINIAC]

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul (original)

Output is 155 k/w or 211 ps

or 208 US ponies

[mini5lover]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tara&Paul (original)

I was really looking forward to the release of the JCW Stage 2 kit as was ready to part with some hard earned cash again, but I'm initially disappointed.

I was hoping that the Stage 2 kit would have about 220bhp and turn the R56 MCS into a sub 6 second 0 to 60mph car, low 5's would have been nice! And have a transmission and suspension set-up that could deal with the extra power so that you could use all the power in real world driving and not just on the track.

I'll still probably buy one though....

My thoughts exactly, 6.5 is not good enough! Swiper is not worth changing for that. Will reserve judgement until I drive one but I think I will be keeping him.

[Washy]

Trouble is that to get sub 6 second 0-60 it would need more like 280bhp.....not convinced the chassis woiuld take that kind of power...

[Den W]

Does look very interesting, I bet the performance figures are conservative I'll wait to read a full road test. I'd like to see a bog standard one to see what you get for your £20.5k, will it look like a standard S apart from the wheels on the outside and ant. headling and a/c 160mph speedo on the in?

Den

[Fin]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tara&Paul (original)

I was really looking forward to the release of the JCW Stage 2 kit as was ready to part with some hard earned cash again, but I'm initially disappointed.

I was hoping that the Stage 2 kit would have about 220bhp and turn the R56 MCS into a sub 6 second 0 to 60mph car, low 5's would have been nice! And have a transmission and suspension set-up that could deal with the extra power so that you could use all the power in real world driving and not just on the track.

I'll still probably buy one though....

Quote: Originally Posted by mini5lover (original)

My thoughts exactly, 6.5 is not good enough! Swiper is not worth changing for that. Will reserve judgement until I drive one but I think I will be keeping him.

Just start the stopwatch later. I've hit 60 mph in 3 seconds flat that way.

[Fabio]

looks great

[jamesbeaumont]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tara&Paul (original)

I was really looking forward to the release of the JCW Stage 2 kit as was ready to part with some hard earned cash again, but I'm initially disappointed.

I was hoping that the Stage 2 kit would have about 220bhp and turn the R56 MCS into a sub 6 second 0 to 60mph car, low 5's would have been nice! And have a transmission and suspension set-up that could deal with the extra power so that you could use all the power in real world driving and not just on the track.

I'll still probably buy one though....

Quote: Originally Posted by mini5lover (original)

My thoughts exactly, 6.5 is not good enough! Swiper is not worth changing for that. Will reserve judgement until I drive one but I think I will be keeping him.

Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original)

Trouble is that to get sub 6 second 0-60 it would need more like 280bhp.....not convinced the chassis woiuld take that kind of power...

A Mini doing 0-60 in sub 6 seconds? Thats not an easy task! The current mazda is the currently the most powerful fwd car with 265bhp and manages it in 6 mostly because its a bigger car than the mini therefore has better traction, even still it struggles massively with its power. Mini is probably trying to strike the ultimate balance between power and driveability. I reckon it'll be quite a different machine to an S and even an S JCW so dont knock it till youve tried it Considering the S JCW is currently Evos fastest ever fwd hatch and only just off the pace off an S3 this new car should be phoenominal, what more do you want? Good job Mini

[simeds]

not sure about that spoiler on the clubman, but as i've decided that the old works was to lary it dosn't really matter

[Washy]

Quote: Originally Posted by jamesbeaumont (original)

A Mini doing 0-60 in sub 6 seconds? Thats not an easy task! The current mazda is the currently the most powerful fwd car with 265bhp and manages it in 6 mostly because its a bigger car than the mini therefore has better traction, even still it struggles massively with its power. Mini is probably trying to strike the ultimate balance between power and driveability. I reckon it'll be quite a different machine to an S and even an S JCW so dont knock it till youve tried it Considering the S JCW is currently Evos fastest ever fwd hatch and only just off the pace off an S3 this new car should be phoenominal, what more do you want? Good job Mini

I wasn't knocking it...I was actually making the same point

[LMB]

Quote: Originally Posted by LMB (original)

How does this differ to the current Cooper S+JCW kit?

Anyone?

[mister.t]

WANT one of these

[Washy]

Quote: Originally Posted by LMB (original)

Anyone?

Got all the engine upgrades from the challenge car Mo. Uprated pistons, different compression, bigger turbo, beefed up gear box etc.

The current JCW kit is essentially an ecu upgrade, plus different manifold and exhaust.

[minicabrio]

Looks great

Worth remembering that the standard 175bhp Cooper S is pretty much on par with the old R53 Cooper S Works in terms of real world performance... so this should really be something else

[Hyper Active]

Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC (original)

Wasn't the GP around £22,000?

The GP got Recaro seats, JCW suspension and a body kit for the £22k asking price. If you add the Recaro seats, JCW body kit and suspension to the new MINI John Cooper Works, then the price is going to be around £24k.

I do like what i've read so far about this new MINI, but i think BMW are asking too much for it. I would like to have seen it between £1k to £1.5k cheaper personally. There asking customers to pay £4500 more than a standard Cooper S, for what amounts to adding a tuning kit and a big brake kit.

[LMB]

Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original)

Got all the engine upgrades from the challenge car Mo. Uprated pistons, different compression, bigger turbo, beefed up gear box etc.

The current JCW kit is essentially an ecu upgrade, plus different manifold and exhaust.

Got ya. Cheers.

[Tara&Paul]

Quote: Originally Posted by jamesbeaumont (original)

A Mini doing 0-60 in sub 6 seconds? Thats not an easy task! The current mazda is the currently the most powerful fwd car with 265bhp and manages it in 6 mostly because its a bigger car than the mini therefore has better traction, even still it struggles massively with its power. Mini is probably trying to strike the ultimate balance between power and driveability. I reckon it'll be quite a different machine to an S and even an S JCW so dont knock it till youve tried it Considering the S JCW is currently Evos fastest ever fwd hatch and only just off the pace off an S3 this new car should be phoenominal, what more do you want? Good job Mini

Yes it would be difficult, but you could get close if...

You use the same spec' engine as the fast Pug 308, the 218bhp one. And try and make the car as light as possible, so rip out everything that isn't 100% required, electrics are heavy! And use a lower final drive ratio set-up for acceleration rather than top speed.

In theory, a car weighing 1050kg with 218bhp ATF and FWD, would accelerate from 0 to 60mph in 5.5 seconds?

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[SeldomSeen]

Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original)

If I could be sure the damn thing wouldnt rattle and the dreaded engine noise was sorted i might be tempted....

+1

[LMB]

Didn't know the current MCS had any major issue.