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Washy · Feb 24th, 2008, 07:15 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by LMB (original)

Didn't know the current MCS had any major issue.

Some cars (mine included) have a cold start ratlle, where it appears there may be some oil starvation. As yet there is no fix for it despite BMW changing cam tensioners/hydraulic lifters and in some cases whole engines.
Mine also has a whole host of trim and interior rattles.....by far the worst MINI I have had to be honest. Which is a shame as personally I think the R56 has a lot going for it....

LMB · Feb 24th, 2008, 07:19 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original)

Some cars (mine included) have a cold start ratlle, where it appears there may be some oil starvation. As yet there is no fix for it despite BMW changing cam tensioners/hydraulic lifters and in some cases whole engines.
Mine also has a whole host of trim and interior rattles.....by far the worst MINI I have had to be honest. Which is a shame as personally I think the R56 has a lot going for it....

Sounds like we were better off with the R53. My GP was rock solid, no rattles, no squeaks, no problems.

Washy · Feb 24th, 2008, 07:23 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by LMB (original)

Sounds like we were better off with the R53. My GP was rock solid, no rattles, no squeaks, no problems.

Johnny 5 was rock solid too. Dependable friend never ever saw the dealer apart from servicing and a sticker for the aero kit rear...

Rakey · Feb 24th, 2008, 08:29 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by LMB (original)

Sounds like we were better off with the R53. My GP was rock solid, no rattles, no squeaks, no problems.

The GP is still my preferred drive, and that of the other half, its much more fun than the R56, but the R56 does have its place in that its much more easier to drive and more comfortable. But the new JCW car doesn't make me think of replacing the GP for an R56

ScottC25 · Feb 24th, 2008, 09:02 PM

I'm seriously tempted but confused! This JCW looks good but does not fit with the description given in Top Gear Magazine for a "Cooper S Works" as they described it.

Are there 2 new models being launched or have Top Gear jumped the gun and speculated and ended up getting much of the detail wrong??

LMB · Feb 24th, 2008, 09:03 PM

The new JCW would have to be some car to come close to the GP.

minicabrio · Feb 24th, 2008, 09:32 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Hyper Active (original)

There asking customers to pay £4500 more than a standard Cooper S, for what amounts to adding a tuning kit and a big brake kit.

True, but the old factory kit was £3.5k, that included brakes, but did not include suspension, HiFi, Aircon, Alloys..... all of which this car has....

It's a good price really

Hyper Active · Feb 24th, 2008, 09:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by minicabrio (original)

True, but the old factory kit was £3.5k, that included brakes, but did not include suspension, HiFi, Aircon, Alloys..... all of which this car has....

It's a good price really

I have a suspicion though Jon, that the optimised suspension amounts to the optional sports suspension being standard

.

I'm glad to see that they have finally got a model with air con as standard though. Can't believe in this day and age that BMW can get away with it being an option on all previous MINI's. Especially as there is a 97% take up of this option.

I would have liked to see the JCW Aero Kit included in the £20500 price though, i'd agree it was a good price then

.

minicabrio · Feb 24th, 2008, 10:02 PM

Well, I'd be in the 3% that wouldn't order aircon

Think back to 2005 though before the JCW kit became factory fit... Your Cooper S cost you £16k, aircon was £600, brakes were £500 plus dealer fitting, add £1k on for alloys, add another £300 for stereo, then £3k plus fitting for your JCW kit and you're well over £22k, so considering prices are supposed to have increased, this represents good value

Fin · Feb 24th, 2008, 10:30 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by LMB (original)

Sounds like we were better off with the R53. My GP was rock solid, no rattles, no squeaks, no problems.

Quote: Originally Posted by LMB (original)

The new JCW would have to be some car to come close to the GP.

How come you got rid of the GP LMB? If you don't mind my asking

Zack · Feb 25th, 2008, 08:26 AM

I really think its pretty good value, and would actually like to get one.

Can you still choose from the same colors, plus what seats come standard, anyone know.

paa100 · Feb 25th, 2008, 08:56 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by minicabrio (original)

Well, I'd be in the 3% that wouldn't order aircon

Think back to 2005 though before the JCW kit became factory fit... Your Cooper S cost you £16k, aircon was £600, brakes were £500 plus dealer fitting, add £1k on for alloys, add another £300 for stereo, then £3k plus fitting for your JCW kit and you're well over £22k, so considering prices are supposed to have increased, this represents good value

I thought that too.

Paul · Feb 25th, 2008, 10:46 AM

I do wonder though, why a STEREO upgrade is part of a John Cooper Works (should read: high performance) MINI?

Humph · Feb 25th, 2008, 10:53 AM

I have two theories here.

1) As much as everyone wants this to be a performance car, at the price it also needs to be a luxury car. But it is a bit odd.

2) I'm convinced it is a precursor to an improved stereo when the facelift comes around (all models) after so much negative feedback about the current system. One can hope

minicabrio · Feb 25th, 2008, 11:05 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul (original)

I do wonder though, why a STEREO upgrade is part of a John Cooper Works (should read: high performance) MINI?

Because the standard one is naff

And when spending £21k on a car, you expect some decent tune playing capability

Just as you'd expect it to have aircon

The Overrun · Feb 25th, 2008, 04:21 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC (original)

or 208 US ponies

Which is about exactly as much hp a Stage I JCW has in real life.

Cooper S has 185 to 190 hp in real life. (dyno)

the JCW press release also states the JCW -10mm suspension is not standard.. weird

The Overrun · Feb 25th, 2008, 04:26 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original)

Got all the engine upgrades from the challenge car Mo. Uprated pistons, different compression, bigger turbo, beefed up gear box etc.

The current JCW kit is essentially an ecu upgrade, plus different manifold and exhaust.

current JCW also has other air filter intake .. manifold? which one intake or exhaust?

has about 208 real life horsepower.

Hyper Active · Feb 25th, 2008, 05:11 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by minicabrio (original)

Well, I'd be in the 3% that wouldn't order aircon

Think back to 2005 though before the JCW kit became factory fit... Your Cooper S cost you £16k, aircon was £600, brakes were £500 plus dealer fitting, add £1k on for alloys, add another £300 for stereo, then £3k plus fitting for your JCW kit and you're well over £22k, so considering prices are supposed to have increased, this represents good value

Yes i can see what your saying there Jon

, I'm just disappointed the price isn't under £20k is all

. The rest of it all sounds good though

, might even get one

.

So just wondering though, would you not spec air con in a hard top MINI

?, or are you just referring back to when you specced and ordered the Minx.

Washy · Feb 25th, 2008, 05:46 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by The Overrun (original)

current JCW also has other air filter intake .. manifold? which one intake or exhaust?

has about 208 real life horsepower.

Missed the air filter:

They change the exhaust manifold.

rentagas · Feb 25th, 2008, 07:13 PM

Might get me back into a MINI......................

Feb 24th, 2008, 07:15 PM	#61
Washy 1151bhp/tonne Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Northampton Local Time: 08:56 AM Posts: 18,959 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by LMB (original) Didn't know the current MCS had any major issue. Some cars (mine included) have a cold start ratlle, where it appears there may be some oil starvation. As yet there is no fix for it despite BMW changing cam tensioners/hydraulic lifters and in some cases whole engines. Mine also has a whole host of trim and interior rattles.....by far the worst MINI I have had to be honest. Which is a shame as personally I think the R56 has a lot going for it.... Black to the future....

Feb 24th, 2008, 07:19 PM	#62 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 08:56 AM Posts: 27,993 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original) Some cars (mine included) have a cold start ratlle, where it appears there may be some oil starvation. As yet there is no fix for it despite BMW changing cam tensioners/hydraulic lifters and in some cases whole engines. Mine also has a whole host of trim and interior rattles.....by far the worst MINI I have had to be honest. Which is a shame as personally I think the R56 has a lot going for it.... Sounds like we were better off with the R53. My GP was rock solid, no rattles, no squeaks, no problems. Global Moderator

Feb 24th, 2008, 07:23 PM	#63 (permalink)
Washy 1151bhp/tonne Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Northampton Local Time: 08:56 AM Posts: 18,959 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by LMB (original) Sounds like we were better off with the R53. My GP was rock solid, no rattles, no squeaks, no problems. Johnny 5 was rock solid too. Dependable friend never ever saw the dealer apart from servicing and a sticker for the aero kit rear... Black to the future....

Feb 24th, 2008, 08:29 PM	#64 (permalink)
Rakey all good things....... My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The local Local Time: 08:56 AM Posts: 53,524 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by LMB (original) Sounds like we were better off with the R53. My GP was rock solid, no rattles, no squeaks, no problems. The GP is still my preferred drive, and that of the other half, its much more fun than the R56, but the R56 does have its place in that its much more easier to drive and more comfortable. But the new JCW car doesn't make me think of replacing the GP for an R56 Food rule fanatic

Feb 24th, 2008, 09:03 PM	#66 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 08:56 AM Posts: 27,993 Offline	The new JCW would have to be some car to come close to the GP. Global Moderator

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Feb 24th, 2008, 09:02 PM	#65 (permalink)
ScottC25 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Glasgow Local Time: 07:56 AM Posts: 16 Offline	I'm seriously tempted but confused! This JCW looks good but does not fit with the description given in Top Gear Magazine for a "Cooper S Works" as they described it. Are there 2 new models being launched or have Top Gear jumped the gun and speculated and ended up getting much of the detail wrong??

Feb 24th, 2008, 09:32 PM	#67 (permalink)
minicabrio Back in a MINI Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampshire Local Time: 08:56 AM Posts: 15,445 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by Hyper Active (original) There asking customers to pay £4500 more than a standard Cooper S, for what amounts to adding a tuning kit and a big brake kit. True, but the old factory kit was £3.5k, that included brakes, but did not include suspension, HiFi, Aircon, Alloys..... all of which this car has.... It's a good price really

Feb 24th, 2008, 09:44 PM	#68 (permalink)
Hyper Active MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Watford, Herts. UK Local Time: 08:56 AM Posts: 2,126 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by minicabrio (original) True, but the old factory kit was £3.5k, that included brakes, but did not include suspension, HiFi, Aircon, Alloys..... all of which this car has.... It's a good price really I have a suspicion though Jon, that the optimised suspension amounts to the optional sports suspension being standard . I'm glad to see that they have finally got a model with air con as standard though. Can't believe in this day and age that BMW can get away with it being an option on all previous MINI's. Especially as there is a 97% take up of this option. I would have liked to see the JCW Aero Kit included in the £20500 price though, i'd agree it was a good price then .

Feb 24th, 2008, 10:02 PM	#69 (permalink)
minicabrio Back in a MINI Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampshire Local Time: 08:56 AM Posts: 15,445 Online	Well, I'd be in the 3% that wouldn't order aircon Think back to 2005 though before the JCW kit became factory fit... Your Cooper S cost you £16k, aircon was £600, brakes were £500 plus dealer fitting, add £1k on for alloys, add another £300 for stereo, then £3k plus fitting for your JCW kit and you're well over £22k, so considering prices are supposed to have increased, this represents good value

Feb 24th, 2008, 10:30 PM	#70 (permalink)
Fin Giggity-goo! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cloudbase Local Time: 08:56 AM Posts: 2,372 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by LMB (original) Sounds like we were better off with the R53. My GP was rock solid, no rattles, no squeaks, no problems. Quote: Originally Posted by LMB (original) The new JCW would have to be some car to come close to the GP. How come you got rid of the GP LMB? If you don't mind my asking

Feb 25th, 2008, 08:26 AM	#71 (permalink)
Zack I loooooooove MINI Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: cheshire Local Time: 08:56 AM Posts: 228 Offline	I really think its pretty good value, and would actually like to get one. Can you still choose from the same colors, plus what seats come standard, anyone know. I LOVE MINIS!!!!!

Feb 25th, 2008, 08:56 AM	#72 (permalink)
paa100 MINI2 Master Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: On my way to France Local Time: 10:56 AM Posts: 1,301 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by minicabrio (original) Well, I'd be in the 3% that wouldn't order aircon Think back to 2005 though before the JCW kit became factory fit... Your Cooper S cost you £16k, aircon was £600, brakes were £500 plus dealer fitting, add £1k on for alloys, add another £300 for stereo, then £3k plus fitting for your JCW kit and you're well over £22k, so considering prices are supposed to have increased, this represents good value I thought that too.

Feb 25th, 2008, 10:46 AM	#73 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 08:56 AM Posts: 46,116 Offline	I do wonder though, why a STEREO upgrade is part of a John Cooper Works (should read: high performance) MINI? Trained Monkeys - New Fiat 500

Feb 25th, 2008, 10:53 AM	#74 (permalink)
Humph MINI2 Master Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In The Wind Local Time: 08:56 AM Posts: 2,371 Offline	I have two theories here. 1) As much as everyone wants this to be a performance car, at the price it also needs to be a luxury car. But it is a bit odd. 2) I'm convinced it is a precursor to an improved stereo when the facelift comes around (all models) after so much negative feedback about the current system. One can hope

Feb 25th, 2008, 11:05 AM	#75 (permalink)
minicabrio Back in a MINI Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampshire Local Time: 08:56 AM Posts: 15,445 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul (original) I do wonder though, why a STEREO upgrade is part of a John Cooper Works (should read: high performance) MINI? Because the standard one is naff And when spending £21k on a car, you expect some decent tune playing capability Just as you'd expect it to have aircon

Feb 25th, 2008, 04:21 PM	#76 (permalink)
The Overrun MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2007 Local Time: 07:56 AM Posts: 63 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC (original) or 208 US ponies Which is about exactly as much hp a Stage I JCW has in real life. Cooper S has 185 to 190 hp in real life. (dyno) the JCW press release also states the JCW -10mm suspension is not standard.. weird

Feb 25th, 2008, 04:26 PM	#77 (permalink)
The Overrun MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2007 Local Time: 07:56 AM Posts: 63 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original) Got all the engine upgrades from the challenge car Mo. Uprated pistons, different compression, bigger turbo, beefed up gear box etc. The current JCW kit is essentially an ecu upgrade, plus different manifold and exhaust. current JCW also has other air filter intake .. manifold? which one intake or exhaust? has about 208 real life horsepower.

Feb 25th, 2008, 05:11 PM	#78 (permalink)
Hyper Active MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Watford, Herts. UK Local Time: 08:56 AM Posts: 2,126 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by minicabrio (original) Well, I'd be in the 3% that wouldn't order aircon Think back to 2005 though before the JCW kit became factory fit... Your Cooper S cost you £16k, aircon was £600, brakes were £500 plus dealer fitting, add £1k on for alloys, add another £300 for stereo, then £3k plus fitting for your JCW kit and you're well over £22k, so considering prices are supposed to have increased, this represents good value Yes i can see what your saying there Jon , I'm just disappointed the price isn't under £20k is all . The rest of it all sounds good though , might even get one . So just wondering though, would you not spec air con in a hard top MINI ?, or are you just referring back to when you specced and ordered the Minx.

Feb 25th, 2008, 05:46 PM	#79 (permalink)
Washy 1151bhp/tonne Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Northampton Local Time: 08:56 AM Posts: 18,959 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by The Overrun (original) current JCW also has other air filter intake .. manifold? which one intake or exhaust? has about 208 real life horsepower. Missed the air filter: They change the exhaust manifold. Black to the future....

Feb 25th, 2008, 07:13 PM	#80 (permalink)
rentagas MINI2 Master Join Date: Mar 2004 Local Time: 08:56 AM Posts: 1,459 Offline	Might get me back into a MINI......................

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