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SteveM3 · Feb 26th, 2008, 01:11 AM

How on earth do you get good throttle response on that engine

. Just look at the journey air makes from the filter through to the cylinders. I don't doubt it works I am just amazed.

The Overrun · Feb 26th, 2008, 05:38 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original)

Missed the air filter:

They change the exhaust manifold.

so basically a totally new exhaust system.

paa100 · Feb 26th, 2008, 06:48 AM

resistance may be futile!

minicabrio · Feb 26th, 2008, 07:35 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Hyper Active (original)

Yes i can see what your saying there Jon

, I'm just disappointed the price isn't under £20k is all

. The rest of it all sounds good though

, might even get one

.

So just wondering though, would you not spec air con in a hard top MINI

?, or are you just referring back to when you specced and ordered the Minx.

They would have been hard pushed to get it under £20k - but I still think this is good value...

Given the choice when speccing a new hardtop, I wouldn't spec aircon. I know its supposedly crucial for resale - well, mine sold without it...

Fin · Feb 26th, 2008, 07:42 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by minicabrio (original)

They would have been hard pushed to get it under £20k - but I still think this is good value...

Given the choice when speccing a new hardtop, I wouldn't spec aircon. I know its supposedly crucial for resale - well, mine sold without it...

Yeah but was that 'cos you threw in a copy of your karaoke performance of Johnny B Goode to sweeten the deal?

I would spec aircon personally, not for resale but just for the odd time in the UK it is truly hot and humid.

Tunster · Feb 26th, 2008, 08:09 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by minicabrio (original)

They would have been hard pushed to get it under £20k - but I still think this is good value...

Given the choice when speccing a new hardtop, I wouldn't spec aircon. I know its supposedly crucial for resale - well, mine sold without it...

It definately is good value from what I've read. With regards to the air con, if you're going for a "performance car", which the JCW Mini is; why do you want climate control to play with when you're buying the car for the driving experience? I guess most people will go for the JCW Aero Kit rather than the auto-aircon option with this car

.

This is why I've refused to go for auto aircon as I don't personally think the money is worth spending when I'm going for all the JCW Kit and a better exterior looking MINI

.

minicabrio · Feb 26th, 2008, 08:14 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Fin (original)

Yeah but was that 'cos you threw in a copy of your karaoke performance of Johnny B Goode to sweeten the deal?

LOL!!

That would be more likely to scare the buyers away than sweeten the deal

Washy · Feb 26th, 2008, 08:21 AM

I wouldnt spec an R56 without sat nav (dont really want it but the dash looks awful without it IMHO) so by default you have to have auto air con....

coded2112 · Feb 26th, 2008, 10:10 AM

Check out the brake size! 17" discs front and 16" discs rear! Shurely shome mishtake Moneypenny!

Thats over 400mm on the front.

mister.t · Feb 26th, 2008, 11:20 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by coded2112 (original)

Check out the brake size! 17" discs front and 16" discs rear! Shurely shome mishtake Moneypenny!

Thats over 400mm on the front.

Quote: Originally Posted by BMW Press (original)

Extra-large disc brakes adorned with uprated red callipers are fitted to Works cars. In addition, inner-vented discs are positioned behind the front wheels. The front discs are 17” in diameter while the rear set measure 16”. The brake discs are approximately 22mm larger than on the standard Cooper S.

Huge things!! Bigger than the standard wheels on the One/Cooper

Quote: Originally Posted by BMW Press (original)

The options included as standard on the John Cooper Works include a leather sports steering wheel, air-conditioning, interior trim in glossy Piano Black and an Anthracite roof lining.
An upgraded sound system is also included in the JCW package and features 10 speakers and an eight-channel amplifier for increased aural pleasure.

Thats the only standard equipment list i can find at the mo

Still not sure why the Hi-Fi is standard but hey

So far then, I don't think I'd tick any options.

coded2112 · Feb 26th, 2008, 11:42 AM

Disc size can't be right! They are only 380mm on the front of a new GT2 porker with 500 odd ponies!

Washy · Feb 26th, 2008, 11:47 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by coded2112 (original)

Disc size can't be right! They are only 380mm on the front of a new GT2 porker with 500 odd ponies!

I am struggling to figure how they fit 17" discs behind 17" wheels

T8MS_X · Feb 26th, 2008, 11:56 AM

Think i'll reserve judgement till i've seen one up close when they arrive at dealers. Not as impressed as i'd hoped to be, I think it's a bit of a poor do that you'll have to spec on the aero kit, recaro seats etc. Should all be standard IMO.

Paul · Feb 26th, 2008, 12:18 PM

"The brake discs are approximately 22mm larger than on the standard Cooper S".

The front discs on the Cooper S are 294mm, putting the works at 316mm, less than 12.5 inches.

Ant FR · Feb 26th, 2008, 02:33 PM

still sounds liek loads of options needed to be ticked.

Your now getting up to Golf R32 levels of price, scary.

Although i'm happy as owning a descent R53 i thought they were gonna release a fast R56, seems they've just gone for a tame one

The Overrun · Feb 26th, 2008, 03:42 PM

Things that could be improved imo:

standard LSD and standard JCW 10mm suspension package with strut brace

LMB · Feb 26th, 2008, 03:52 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by The Overrun (original)

so basically a totally new exhaust system.

You get a new exhaust system with the current JCW kit? Not just the back box like the old kit?

LMB · Feb 26th, 2008, 03:55 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by T8MS_X (original)

Think i'll reserve judgement till i've seen one up close when they arrive at dealers. Not as impressed as i'd hoped to be, I think it's a bit of a poor do that you'll have to spec on the aero kit, recaro seats etc. Should all be standard IMO.

I would have thought the JCW seats and kit would be included.

Ok.......so what is?

Super dooper JCW Challenge tuned engine..
Super dooper JCW Challenge tuned suspension..
Super dooper JCW Challenge tuned brakes..
Dynamic Traction Control.......whatever that is?

Still a lot of money for what you're getting.

Fabio · Feb 26th, 2008, 05:16 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original)

I am struggling to figure how they fit 17" discs behind 17" wheels

i thought the borbet challenge wheels were 18in?

Washy · Feb 26th, 2008, 06:29 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Fabio (original)

i thought the borbet challenge wheels were 18in?

Says they are 17'' in the press release. I checked before i posted as I wasnt sure...

Feb 26th, 2008, 01:11 AM	#81
SteveM3 MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malmesbury, Wilts Local Time: 07:56 PM Posts: 1,758 Online	How on earth do you get good throttle response on that engine . Just look at the journey air makes from the filter through to the cylinders. I don't doubt it works I am just amazed. Some people are like a Slinky ........ not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you shove them down the stairs

Feb 26th, 2008, 08:21 AM	#88 (permalink)
Washy 1151bhp/tonne Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Northampton Local Time: 07:56 PM Posts: 18,960 Offline	I wouldnt spec an R56 without sat nav (dont really want it but the dash looks awful without it IMHO) so by default you have to have auto air con.... Black to the future....

Feb 26th, 2008, 11:20 AM	#90 (permalink)
mister.t Ambitious, but useless Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nowhere exciting Local Time: 07:56 PM Posts: 1,981 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by coded2112 (original) Check out the brake size! 17" discs front and 16" discs rear! Shurely shome mishtake Moneypenny! Thats over 400mm on the front. Quote: Originally Posted by BMW Press (original) Extra-large disc brakes adorned with uprated red callipers are fitted to Works cars. In addition, inner-vented discs are positioned behind the front wheels. The front discs are 17” in diameter while the rear set measure 16”. The brake discs are approximately 22mm larger than on the standard Cooper S. Huge things!! Bigger than the standard wheels on the One/Cooper Quote: Originally Posted by BMW Press (original) The options included as standard on the John Cooper Works include a leather sports steering wheel, air-conditioning, interior trim in glossy Piano Black and an Anthracite roof lining. An upgraded sound system is also included in the JCW package and features 10 speakers and an eight-channel amplifier for increased aural pleasure. Thats the only standard equipment list i can find at the mo Still not sure why the Hi-Fi is standard but hey So far then, I don't think I'd tick any options. 2007 R56 Cooper Last edited by mister.t : Feb 26th, 2008 at 11:23 AM. Reason: Spelling

Feb 26th, 2008, 11:47 AM	#92 (permalink)
Washy 1151bhp/tonne Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Northampton Local Time: 07:56 PM Posts: 18,960 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by coded2112 (original) Disc size can't be right! They are only 380mm on the front of a new GT2 porker with 500 odd ponies! I am struggling to figure how they fit 17" discs behind 17" wheels Black to the future....

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Paul Trained Monkey Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 07:56 PM Posts: 46,125 Online	"The brake discs are approximately 22mm larger than on the standard Cooper S". The front discs on the Cooper S are 294mm, putting the works at 316mm, less than 12.5 inches. Trained Monkeys - New Fiat 500

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Feb 26th, 2008, 05:38 AM	#82 (permalink)
The Overrun MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2007 Local Time: 06:56 PM Posts: 64 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original) Missed the air filter: They change the exhaust manifold. so basically a totally new exhaust system.

Feb 26th, 2008, 06:48 AM	#83 (permalink)
paa100 MINI2 Master Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: On my way to France Local Time: 09:56 PM Posts: 1,301 Offline	resistance may be futile!

Feb 26th, 2008, 07:35 AM	#84 (permalink)
minicabrio Back in a MINI Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampshire Local Time: 07:56 PM Posts: 15,449 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Hyper Active (original) Yes i can see what your saying there Jon , I'm just disappointed the price isn't under £20k is all . The rest of it all sounds good though , might even get one . So just wondering though, would you not spec air con in a hard top MINI ?, or are you just referring back to when you specced and ordered the Minx. They would have been hard pushed to get it under £20k - but I still think this is good value... Given the choice when speccing a new hardtop, I wouldn't spec aircon. I know its supposedly crucial for resale - well, mine sold without it...

Feb 26th, 2008, 07:42 AM	#85 (permalink)
Fin Giggity-goo! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cloudbase Local Time: 07:56 PM Posts: 2,374 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by minicabrio (original) They would have been hard pushed to get it under £20k - but I still think this is good value... Given the choice when speccing a new hardtop, I wouldn't spec aircon. I know its supposedly crucial for resale - well, mine sold without it... Yeah but was that 'cos you threw in a copy of your karaoke performance of Johnny B Goode to sweeten the deal? I would spec aircon personally, not for resale but just for the odd time in the UK it is truly hot and humid.

Feb 26th, 2008, 08:09 AM	#86 (permalink)
Tunster MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Essex, England Local Time: 07:56 PM Posts: 241 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by minicabrio (original) They would have been hard pushed to get it under £20k - but I still think this is good value... Given the choice when speccing a new hardtop, I wouldn't spec aircon. I know its supposedly crucial for resale - well, mine sold without it... It definately is good value from what I've read. With regards to the air con, if you're going for a "performance car", which the JCW Mini is; why do you want climate control to play with when you're buying the car for the driving experience? I guess most people will go for the JCW Aero Kit rather than the auto-aircon option with this car . This is why I've refused to go for auto aircon as I don't personally think the money is worth spending when I'm going for all the JCW Kit and a better exterior looking MINI .

Feb 26th, 2008, 08:14 AM	#87 (permalink)
minicabrio Back in a MINI Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampshire Local Time: 07:56 PM Posts: 15,449 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Fin (original) Yeah but was that 'cos you threw in a copy of your karaoke performance of Johnny B Goode to sweeten the deal? LOL!! That would be more likely to scare the buyers away than sweeten the deal

Feb 26th, 2008, 10:10 AM	#89 (permalink)
coded2112 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bucks Local Time: 07:56 PM Posts: 282 Offline	Check out the brake size! 17" discs front and 16" discs rear! Shurely shome mishtake Moneypenny! Thats over 400mm on the front.

Feb 26th, 2008, 11:42 AM	#91 (permalink)
coded2112 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bucks Local Time: 07:56 PM Posts: 282 Offline	Disc size can't be right! They are only 380mm on the front of a new GT2 porker with 500 odd ponies!

Feb 26th, 2008, 11:56 AM	#93 (permalink)
T8MS_X MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: West Yorkshire Local Time: 07:56 PM Posts: 82 Offline	Think i'll reserve judgement till i've seen one up close when they arrive at dealers. Not as impressed as i'd hoped to be, I think it's a bit of a poor do that you'll have to spec on the aero kit, recaro seats etc. Should all be standard IMO.

Feb 26th, 2008, 02:33 PM	#95 (permalink)
Ant FR MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2006 Local Time: 07:56 PM Posts: 1,628 Online	still sounds liek loads of options needed to be ticked. Your now getting up to Golf R32 levels of price, scary. Although i'm happy as owning a descent R53 i thought they were gonna release a fast R56, seems they've just gone for a tame one

Feb 26th, 2008, 03:42 PM	#96 (permalink)
The Overrun MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2007 Local Time: 06:56 PM Posts: 64 Offline	Things that could be improved imo: standard LSD and standard JCW 10mm suspension package with strut brace

Feb 26th, 2008, 03:52 PM	#97 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 07:56 PM Posts: 27,993 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by The Overrun (original) so basically a totally new exhaust system. You get a new exhaust system with the current JCW kit? Not just the back box like the old kit? Global Moderator

Feb 26th, 2008, 03:55 PM	#98 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 07:56 PM Posts: 27,993 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by T8MS_X (original) Think i'll reserve judgement till i've seen one up close when they arrive at dealers. Not as impressed as i'd hoped to be, I think it's a bit of a poor do that you'll have to spec on the aero kit, recaro seats etc. Should all be standard IMO. I would have thought the JCW seats and kit would be included. Ok.......so what is? Super dooper JCW Challenge tuned engine.. Super dooper JCW Challenge tuned suspension.. Super dooper JCW Challenge tuned brakes.. Dynamic Traction Control.......whatever that is? Still a lot of money for what you're getting. Global Moderator

Feb 26th, 2008, 05:16 PM	#99 (permalink)
Fabio F43i0 My Classifieds Join Date: Feb 2004 Local Time: 07:56 PM Posts: 3,977 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Washy (original) I am struggling to figure how they fit 17" discs behind 17" wheels i thought the borbet challenge wheels were 18in? bebo

Feb 26th, 2008, 06:29 PM	#100 (permalink)
Washy 1151bhp/tonne Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Northampton Local Time: 07:56 PM Posts: 18,960 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Fabio (original) i thought the borbet challenge wheels were 18in? Says they are 17'' in the press release. I checked before i posted as I wasnt sure... Black to the future....

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