[Paul]

Quote: Originally Posted by DerekH (original)

Paul i have to agree with you old renaults were not very good and used to hate working on them but my client a driving intructer of many years has had the last 3 clio models and been excellent, and another driving instuctor has confirmed this, but i would not buty a clio personaly but then after the problems we have had with my wife's mini i can't see the cloi being any worse, i love the MCS but disapointed Mini have let the engine and clutch issue run on so long never mind will go for test drive of R56 JCW and judge value after tried the product lets hope they have sorted the rattle and new clutch does the trick

I was also referring to the new ones, which come very low in reliability studies, the Clio and Megane in particular seem terrible (statistically anyway).

[Paul]

Added US spec PDF to the first post: http://www.mini2.com/forum/3338632-post1.html

[SonicTPA]

Does it still have stop/start technology?

S

[Paul]

So far as I'm aware, not been told otherwise.

[Fabio]

it sounds very meaty

i wonder why they put in the upgraded speakers? They could have added in some other performance bits instead, suspension, some carbon fibre, etc?

[caesar]

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul (original)

On sale in Germany, for August, for 27.700 euro, the selling price for the MINI John Cooper Works Clubman amounts to 29,500 euro.

Output is 155 k/w or 211 ps. Torque is not (I believe) in dispute.

Maximum speed is 238 km/h so about 148 mph.

Uploaded the output grid (with CO2 etc). Doesn't show the overboost of 280 NM on the chart, but should.

Attachment 142728

Here is a link to the Top Gear report and photo's: -

Mini John Cooper Works news - Reassuringly expensive - 2008 - News - Top Gear

[Paul]

Less information and less photos than here and elsewhere?

[uberandreman]

Why does the American version go 0-60 in 6.2 and the euro JCW do 6.5.... I mean i'm happy as hell because of it but whats the difference are we not getting the EU5 emissions standards that the euro car is getting or something?????

Also I know that mini tends to be conservative with their HP so its most likely 118 or so real but are they conservative with their 0-60 times... just wondering if itl be able to match the speed3 in pure acceleration

[MINIAC]

Quote: Originally Posted by uberandreman (original)

Why does the American version go 0-60 in 6.2 and the euro JCW do 6.5?

The 6.5 sec figure is for 0-62 mph (0-100 kph)

[Paul]

Check the PDF. There's 0-60 and 0-62 (100 km/h) figures.

[jon vital]

If it had the bodykit and Recaros I'd be ordering one.

[paa100]

So is it just in red or all colours?

Do I need to spec stripes?

Is there any point in Chilli as it has aircon, wheels, piano etc

[Hyper Active]

Quote: Originally Posted by paa100 (original)

So is it just in red or all colours?

Do I need to spec stripes?

Is there any point in Chilli as it has aircon, wheels, piano etc

I would think most colours would be available to choose from, and maybe an exclusive colour or two just for the John Cooper Works. Expect to pay £60 to spec the bonnet stripes.

As this model has 17" wheels and air con as standard, I'm wondering whether there will be a Chili Pack available at all. Perhaps MINI will still have packages, but new ones not currently available on the other models. Like a Sports Pack, or Winter Pack as they do in th US.

[uberandreman]

I really hope they come out with an exlusive color ext or int maybe something like the 135i an exlusive roof decal

and im pretty sure it wont happen seeing as how its just something I find preferable and in no way makes sence but it would be cool if they had more then 3 dam colors that you didnt have to pay an extra 500 bucks for metallic or have a discount on metalics cause god knows when im paying be it this 28k msrp 15k msrp or 60k msrp it just ****es me off I gotta take money out of the speccing for the dam paint

[Hyper Active]

Quote: Originally Posted by uberandreman (original)

I really hope they come out with an exlusive color ext or int maybe something like the 135i an exlusive roof decal

and im pretty sure it wont happen seeing as how its just something I find preferable and in no way makes sence but it would be cool if they had more then 3 dam colors that you didnt have to pay an extra 500 bucks for metallic or have a discount on metalics cause god knows when im paying be it this 28k msrp 15k msrp or 60k msrp it just ****es me off I gotta take money out of the speccing for the dam paint

I would be surprised if BMW don't bring out at least one new exclusive colour for the factory Works car . But i can't see them making metallic paint a no cost option , sorry .

[uberandreman]

Ye i know its just an anoyance i have with car companies in general always feel like i can do better with the money

[Hugo]

I read in a couple of car mags that you won't be able to buy additional Works Parts. Once the car comes out of factory thats it not extras can be bought for it.

Has anyone heard anything about this?

[minicabrio]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hugo (original)

I read in a couple of car mags that you won't be able to buy additional Works Parts. Once the car comes out of factory thats it not extras can be bought for it.

Has anyone heard anything about this?

No extras?

The extras list will still reach as far as your wallet will stretch..... JCW aero kit, carbon fibre rear valance, scoop, mirrors, side scuttles, dash... Then the JCW seats, steering wheel etc etc etc.

Lots of extras

[uberandreman]

Ye in the press release they even talked about the ability to purchase the jcw aero kit and suspension if you so choose

[The Overrun]

so the aero kit isn't stock?