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Trotti · May 16th, 2006, 05:53 PM

If as widley reported the new cs will have the same 170hp as the present version then I think BMW may have to go back to the drawing-board.
Because Renault are about to launch the new clio sport with a 2.0-litre engine with 197hp for under 16k. Granted it won't be as cool as a mini but it will have much better equipment level as standard and so be at least a couple of thousand pound cheaper. So I think BMW need close to 200hp for the cs with the works version adding another 30hp at least.

johnnyv · May 16th, 2006, 06:21 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Trotti

If as widley reported the new cs will have the same 170hp as the present version then I think BMW may have to go back to the drawing-board.
Because Renault are about to launch the new clio sport with a 2.0-litre engine with 197hp for under 16k. Granted it won't be as cool as a mini but it will have much better equipment level as standard and so be at least a couple of thousand pound cheaper. So I think BMW need close to 200hp for the cs with the works version adding another 30hp at least.

I think you may find that BMW would use the Peugeot 278bhp as a bench mark to aim for, for the 'S' WORKS . This is what the 207R CUP will have accoding to magazines. I am sure they could make it reliable

I hope, That would be nice

I would therefore look at the 'S' having about 190 - 210 bhp to compete like you say with the little hot hatches coming out

Capsaisin · May 17th, 2006, 06:25 PM

D*mn this Widley character, I need an engine upgrade.

Jon Chalk · May 17th, 2006, 10:42 PM

Ah... I think he meant "widdle-y", as in weak bladder control. Understandable confusion all round.

No engine upgrade required - underpants upgrade required!

Capsaisin · May 18th, 2006, 09:30 AM

Cooperama I don't wish to go off topic here, but as your avatar suggests you are a man of experience in these matters, I must ask you what brand of incontinence pants would you recommend?
At my age one does have to careful about such things, and I could see that upgraded underpants would be an absolute boon should I find the engine upgrade too exciting.

Humourl3ss · May 18th, 2006, 10:48 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Trotti

If as widley reported the new cs will have the same 170hp as the present version then I think BMW may have to go back to the drawing-board.
Because Renault are about to launch the new clio sport with a 2.0-litre engine with 197hp for under 16k. Granted it won't be as cool as a mini but it will have much better equipment level as standard and so be at least a couple of thousand pound cheaper. So I think BMW need close to 200hp for the cs with the works version adding another 30hp at least.

The Renault has gone on a pie'n'beer diet though - it's up to 2,728 lbs (I think it was around 2,400 in the last iteration), which will make it at least as heavy as the new MCS. Its engine will be comparatively low on torque (~145 lb/ft; I don't have the figure at hand) and thus a good 25-30 lbs down on the next MCS. the MINI thus might be empirically slower, but probably a little more rewarding to drive because it will feel somewhat faster with its better torque band.

Of course, a turbo engine will also be a lot more tunable than an atmospheric one as well.

PaulusMaximus · May 23rd, 2006, 05:18 PM

I'd still prefer a mere 170Bhp if it means less turbo lag, though! It wont feel fast if you have to wait after planting your foot down.

Paul

Goonery · May 23rd, 2006, 05:24 PM

Yawn .................

Jaffa Racer · May 23rd, 2006, 07:09 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Goonery

Yawn .................

LOL

May 16th, 2006, 05:53 PM	#1
Trotti How much! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Newport Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 66 Offline	BMW need a rethink on 2007 mcs HP output If as widley reported the new cs will have the same 170hp as the present version then I think BMW may have to go back to the drawing-board. Because Renault are about to launch the new clio sport with a 2.0-litre engine with 197hp for under 16k. Granted it won't be as cool as a mini but it will have much better equipment level as standard and so be at least a couple of thousand pound cheaper. So I think BMW need close to 200hp for the cs with the works version adding another 30hp at least.

May 16th, 2006, 06:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
johnnyv Lovin' the MINI Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cheshire Local Time: 05:43 AM Posts: 85 Offline	Give BMW a chance Quote: Originally Posted by Trotti If as widley reported the new cs will have the same 170hp as the present version then I think BMW may have to go back to the drawing-board. Because Renault are about to launch the new clio sport with a 2.0-litre engine with 197hp for under 16k. Granted it won't be as cool as a mini but it will have much better equipment level as standard and so be at least a couple of thousand pound cheaper. So I think BMW need close to 200hp for the cs with the works version adding another 30hp at least. I think you may find that BMW would use the Peugeot 278bhp as a bench mark to aim for, for the 'S' WORKS . This is what the 207R CUP will have accoding to magazines. I am sure they could make it reliable I hope, That would be nice I would therefore look at the 'S' having about 190 - 210 bhp to compete like you say with the little hot hatches coming out

May 17th, 2006, 06:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
Capsaisin cave capsicum Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Crewe Local Time: 05:43 AM Posts: 3,364 Offline	Bldy Hll* D*mn this Widley character, I need an engine upgrade.

May 18th, 2006, 10:48 AM	#6 (permalink)
Humourl3ss Now With More Cowbell Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada City Local Time: 12:43 AM Posts: 1,695 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Trotti If as widley reported the new cs will have the same 170hp as the present version then I think BMW may have to go back to the drawing-board. Because Renault are about to launch the new clio sport with a 2.0-litre engine with 197hp for under 16k. Granted it won't be as cool as a mini but it will have much better equipment level as standard and so be at least a couple of thousand pound cheaper. So I think BMW need close to 200hp for the cs with the works version adding another 30hp at least. The Renault has gone on a pie'n'beer diet though - it's up to 2,728 lbs (I think it was around 2,400 in the last iteration), which will make it at least as heavy as the new MCS. Its engine will be comparatively low on torque (~145 lb/ft; I don't have the figure at hand) and thus a good 25-30 lbs down on the next MCS. the MINI thus might be empirically slower, but probably a little more rewarding to drive because it will feel somewhat faster with its better torque band. Of course, a turbo engine will also be a lot more tunable than an atmospheric one as well. Global Moderator

May 23rd, 2006, 05:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
PaulusMaximus MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: West Norfolk Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 294 Offline	I'd still prefer a mere 170Bhp if it means less turbo lag, though! It wont feel fast if you have to wait after planting your foot down. Paul Student desperately finding a way to afford an R56. Donations to...

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May 17th, 2006, 10:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jon Chalk Cooperama? Who's he? Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Milton Keynes Local Time: 05:43 AM Posts: 689 Offline	Ah... I think he meant "widdle-y", as in weak bladder control. Understandable confusion all round. No engine upgrade required - underpants upgrade required!

May 18th, 2006, 09:30 AM	#5 (permalink)
Capsaisin cave capsicum Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Crewe Local Time: 05:43 AM Posts: 3,364 Offline	Cooperama I don't wish to go off topic here, but as your avatar suggests you are a man of experience in these matters, I must ask you what brand of incontinence pants would you recommend? At my age one does have to careful about such things, and I could see that upgraded underpants would be an absolute boon should I find the engine upgrade too exciting.

May 23rd, 2006, 05:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
Goonery 6X therapist My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2003 Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 13,669 Offline	Yawn .................

May 23rd, 2006, 07:09 PM	#9 (permalink)
Jaffa Racer MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2003 Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 1,250 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Goonery Yawn ................. LOL

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