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Minis4ever · Jul 25th, 2006, 10:05 PM

From Gabe's Motoringfile.com it's reported the 2007 Cooper S will be 180 lbs lighter!

http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/25/s...0lbs/#comments

Paul · Jul 25th, 2006, 10:15 PM

I'd take that with a pinch of salt.

LMB · Jul 25th, 2006, 10:21 PM

..and some Ketchup.

MINIAC · Jul 25th, 2006, 10:41 PM

... and some fries

cct1 · Jul 25th, 2006, 11:12 PM

Hey, they're betting on it over on motoring file.

Like I said over there, big deal, Jarred lost more...

Rakey · Jul 26th, 2006, 12:26 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by cct1

Hey, they're betting on it over on motoring file.

Like I said over there, big deal, Jarred lost more...

well you put the money on based on MINI2 info and share the winnings with us

minigolf · Jul 26th, 2006, 06:21 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett

I'd take that with a pinch of salt.

Really.

That would be a shame if it's a beat up.

Tommy_Gun · Jul 26th, 2006, 02:50 PM

it also says power is going up to 175 for the msc. i thought it was widely accepted that it wasnt going up.

be smashing if they were both true though

cct1 · Jul 26th, 2006, 04:00 PM

Despite my skepticism, 180 is not out of the question with the aluminum block and frame--does still seem a bit high though. Who knows, maybe the tires will be filled with helium this go round....

Tommy_Gun · Jul 26th, 2006, 06:46 PM

just realised how much 180lbs is, its like a whole person! that is rather a lot

Paul · Jul 27th, 2006, 02:49 AM

In case you missed it, in our exclusive reports from the test drive

Detlev Welter and his team confirmed the new Cooper S to weigh around 10kg more than the outgoing model.

Sorry I couldn't confirm and clear this up earlier, but embargo times cant be broken.

xtremepsionic · Jul 27th, 2006, 02:52 AM

Oh thats too bad, I thought the aluminum block would help matters a little. From the press release the Cooper would be a tad bit lighter than the current model, that would be nice, although HP and torque remains pretty much the same (but it does have 6spd instead of 5 for the Cooper).

Sounds like the cooper's performance would only be marginally better than the current model.

MINIAK · Jul 27th, 2006, 11:11 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett

In case you missed it, in our exclusive reports from the test drive

Detlev Welter and his team confirmed the new Cooper S to weigh around 10kg more than the outgoing model.

Sorry I couldn't confirm and clear this up earlier, but embargo times cant be broken.

That is what I thought I saw, 10kgs (22lbs) heavier, instead of 180 lbs lighter. Bummer.

Tommy_Gun · Jul 28th, 2006, 12:18 PM

i better get down the gym and lose 10kgs then, even things out

PrplPplEtr · Jul 30th, 2006, 11:05 AM

one of the artilces mentioned that bmw touted the weight savings as offsetting new structure stiffening and crashworthiness improvements for a zero net impact. ( 10 kg is zero for all intents and purposes )

Bayliner · Aug 1st, 2006, 04:32 PM

The new engine has a lot more torque at lower and higher engine speeds, because of the double vanos and valvetronic. I'm positive it will be noticibly faster.

The old Cooper only had a peak at 4500rpm, and doesn't pull well below 3000rpm. The new one will be different. Maybee the torque curve will even bee flat (which would spoil some of the fun).

The new engine's will have a higher compression ratio:
Cooper: 11:1
CooperS: 10,5:1
Which will bee good for fuel consumption.

Variable oil pump, which save's up to 1,25kW

Bayliner · Aug 1st, 2006, 04:58 PM

some picture's

Bayliner · Aug 1st, 2006, 05:02 PM

some more picture's
(all from germancarfans dot com)

minigolf · Aug 2nd, 2006, 02:29 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett

In case you missed it, in our exclusive reports from the test drive

Detlev Welter and his team confirmed the new Cooper S to weigh around 10kg more than the outgoing model.

Sorry I couldn't confirm and clear this up earlier, but embargo times cant be broken.

I guess, in reality, that's not a surprise, but still a shame nonetheless.

Jul 25th, 2006, 10:05 PM	#1
Minis4ever MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2005 Local Time: 05:13 AM Posts: 30 Offline	2007 S Drops Weight?!? From Gabe's Motoringfile.com it's reported the 2007 Cooper S will be 180 lbs lighter! http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/25/s...0lbs/#comments

Jul 25th, 2006, 10:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Big grey box Local Time: 05:13 AM Posts: 40,514 Offline	I'd take that with a pinch of salt. Trained Monkeys

Jul 25th, 2006, 10:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 05:13 AM Posts: 23,749 Offline	..and some Ketchup. Global Moderator

Jul 26th, 2006, 12:26 AM	#6 (permalink)
Rakey Remember My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 05:13 AM Posts: 50,153 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by cct1 Hey, they're betting on it over on motoring file. Like I said over there, big deal, Jarred lost more... well you put the money on based on MINI2 info and share the winnings with us The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

Jul 26th, 2006, 06:21 AM	#7 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 04:13 PM Posts: 13,858 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett I'd take that with a pinch of salt. Really. That would be a shame if it's a beat up. Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

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Jul 25th, 2006, 10:41 PM	#4 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 09:13 PM Posts: 8,667 Offline	... and some fries

Jul 25th, 2006, 11:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
cct1 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wisconsin Local Time: 12:13 AM Posts: 336 Offline	Hey, they're betting on it over on motoring file. Like I said over there, big deal, Jarred lost more...

Jul 26th, 2006, 02:50 PM	#8 (permalink)
Tommy_Gun MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Hatfield Heath Local Time: 05:13 AM Posts: 240 Offline	it also says power is going up to 175 for the msc. i thought it was widely accepted that it wasnt going up. be smashing if they were both true though http://www.myspace.com/scorpionking1982 People should not be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people

Jul 26th, 2006, 04:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
cct1 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wisconsin Local Time: 12:13 AM Posts: 336 Offline	Despite my skepticism, 180 is not out of the question with the aluminum block and frame--does still seem a bit high though. Who knows, maybe the tires will be filled with helium this go round....

Jul 26th, 2006, 06:46 PM	#10 (permalink)
Tommy_Gun MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Hatfield Heath Local Time: 05:13 AM Posts: 240 Offline	just realised how much 180lbs is, its like a whole person! that is rather a lot http://www.myspace.com/scorpionking1982 People should not be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people

Jul 27th, 2006, 02:49 AM	#11 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Big grey box Local Time: 05:13 AM Posts: 40,514 Offline	In case you missed it, in our exclusive reports from the test drive Detlev Welter and his team confirmed the new Cooper S to weigh around 10kg more than the outgoing model. Sorry I couldn't confirm and clear this up earlier, but embargo times cant be broken. Trained Monkeys

Jul 27th, 2006, 02:52 AM	#12 (permalink)
xtremepsionic Vroom! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Local Time: 10:13 PM Posts: 1,036 Offline	Oh thats too bad, I thought the aluminum block would help matters a little. From the press release the Cooper would be a tad bit lighter than the current model, that would be nice, although HP and torque remains pretty much the same (but it does have 6spd instead of 5 for the Cooper). Sounds like the cooper's performance would only be marginally better than the current model.

Jul 27th, 2006, 11:11 PM	#13 (permalink)
MINIAK Track Junkie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: McKinney, Tx (Dallas Local Time: 11:13 PM Posts: 20 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett In case you missed it, in our exclusive reports from the test drive Detlev Welter and his team confirmed the new Cooper S to weigh around 10kg more than the outgoing model. Sorry I couldn't confirm and clear this up earlier, but embargo times cant be broken. That is what I thought I saw, 10kgs (22lbs) heavier, instead of 180 lbs lighter. Bummer. Brett "Never Drive Faster Than You Can See" www.trackfaq.com

Jul 28th, 2006, 12:18 PM	#14 (permalink)
Tommy_Gun MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Hatfield Heath Local Time: 05:13 AM Posts: 240 Offline	i better get down the gym and lose 10kgs then, even things out http://www.myspace.com/scorpionking1982 People should not be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people

Jul 30th, 2006, 11:05 AM	#15 (permalink)
PrplPplEtr Countdown to Ecstacy Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Indy Local Time: 01:13 AM Posts: 28 Offline	one of the artilces mentioned that bmw touted the weight savings as offsetting new structure stiffening and crashworthiness improvements for a zero net impact. ( 10 kg is zero for all intents and purposes ) 06 MCS JCW PH/PH premium, sport, webspokes, black leather, anthracite dash and headliner.

Aug 1st, 2006, 04:32 PM	#16 (permalink)
Bayliner MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2006 Local Time: 07:13 AM Posts: 50 Offline	The new engine has a lot more torque at lower and higher engine speeds, because of the double vanos and valvetronic. I'm positive it will be noticibly faster. The old Cooper only had a peak at 4500rpm, and doesn't pull well below 3000rpm. The new one will be different. Maybee the torque curve will even bee flat (which would spoil some of the fun). The new engine's will have a higher compression ratio: Cooper: 11:1 CooperS: 10,5:1 Which will bee good for fuel consumption. Variable oil pump, which save's up to 1,25kW

Aug 1st, 2006, 04:58 PM	#17 (permalink)
Bayliner MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2006 Local Time: 07:13 AM Posts: 50 Offline	some picture's Attached Thumbnails

Aug 1st, 2006, 05:02 PM	#18 (permalink)
Bayliner MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2006 Local Time: 07:13 AM Posts: 50 Offline	some more picture's (all from germancarfans dot com) Attached Thumbnails

Aug 2nd, 2006, 02:29 PM	#19 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 04:13 PM Posts: 13,858 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett In case you missed it, in our exclusive reports from the test drive Detlev Welter and his team confirmed the new Cooper S to weigh around 10kg more than the outgoing model. Sorry I couldn't confirm and clear this up earlier, but embargo times cant be broken. I guess, in reality, that's not a surprise, but still a shame nonetheless. Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

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