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Paul · Jul 27th, 2006, 10:19 AM

The Cooper is N/A not turbo. They stated very clearly that the scoop was not functional.

Rakey · Jul 27th, 2006, 10:52 AM

I think its just a sill marketing tool, left there to convince people that the S is still the sportier model like others have said.

I doubt it has been put in for the JCW to use it, as surely they would have just saved the bonnet for use on the JCW to give that the more appeal and sell more of them, just as they are rumoured to having different body kits on the JCW.

ALD0 · Jul 27th, 2006, 11:11 AM

Sorry Paul, didn't see this thread!
It serves no purpose, looks like a wannabe Supercharge intake!

MickyD · Jul 27th, 2006, 11:27 AM

I think the debate over the contrivedness (is that a word?) of the slot is kind of ironic when in reality, the whole car is kind of contrived.....

Paul · Jul 27th, 2006, 11:32 AM

You could say that of anything at all that has any design element that goes beyond the purely functional. Where do you draw the line?

MickyD · Jul 27th, 2006, 11:33 AM

fair point

RVW · Jul 27th, 2006, 11:34 AM

I am sure somebody will find a use for it

Even if it only for model differences, think it looks OK.
Besides where would I put my UJ if it was not there

Tonyt3 · Jul 27th, 2006, 11:47 AM

I really love the slot on the current car, so it kinda upsets me to come to the conclusion that the slot is there for nothing more than looks. And because of this, if they couldnt find a use for it, and if they couldnt come up with something better, then I think they should have ditched it. I'm sure there must have been lots of arguements about it at the design stages.....

Saying its probably there for 'future JCW usage' is i think just rediculous.

Lets admit it, the 'face' of the current Mini is near perfect. Its cheeky, loveable, full of charachter, and easy to modify for a different look.... Nothing about the 'face' of the new car seems to move this forward. The honeycoombe grill leaves me flat, sure they will change it for production.

Paul · Jul 27th, 2006, 11:59 AM

I wouldn't so sure on the grille changing to be honest, but they will have alternatives.

Hat · Jul 27th, 2006, 12:41 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett

I wouldn't so sure on the grille changing to be honest, but they will have alternatives.

are you saying the s will have a black honeycomb grille as standard?

ABG · Jul 27th, 2006, 12:50 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3

As a snob and a show off, I NEED to have a scoop in order to show that I have a proper performance car, not to be confused with the everyday run of the mill standard Cooper...

Thats why I think the Scoop stayed on the car.... because 'class' conscious BMW believed people would need a major differential between their base model and their performance model...

I think the last thing a class concious BMW people would want is a built in point of ridicule. AFAIK all car manufacturers build in differences between the different performance models, usually using badges, alloys, exhaust pipes and exclusice colours. But a big scoop on the bonnet that does nothing other than make you go a bit flustered when people ask what it's for? Not good for any car IMO but really bad for the image of the fun and unpretentious character of a MINI.

RenaultF1 · Jul 27th, 2006, 12:59 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Hat

unless its going to be used in the future i can't see the point of tooling & manufacturing a different bonnet for the S when a lot of the modifications that have taken place have been about reducing manufacuring complexity/time & cost

Exactly! Two bonnets make absolutely no sense.

I hate the fact that the scoop does nothing. If I went with a new S, I'd be tempted to change the bonnet to the Cooper bonnet...

MickyD · Jul 27th, 2006, 01:02 PM

I'm sure if the car DIDN'T have the slot, we'd all be reading a thread decrying the fact that it had gone.....

Jon Chalk · Jul 27th, 2006, 01:02 PM

Kinda daft really - If they wanted to physically distinguish between an 'S' & a Cooper, there must have been better, less expensive, less drag-inducing ways of doing it.

(Modifed, low-drag bumpers, sills, spoiler for example?)

Where is the intercooler located now, anyway?

ALD0 · Jul 27th, 2006, 01:40 PM

I was just thinking that if MINI do read these forums (which they do) I remember when it was announced supercharger was to be dropped, everyone posted that they would miss the scoop!
So that was probably one of the reasons why they designed into the R56 model, I wonder if they will read this feedback and change there ideas?!

fl0r15t · Jul 27th, 2006, 02:48 PM

Purely cosmetic scoop!? Dead against it. Just plain wrong!

When it comes to changing mine in a few years (when the MCSC is out and so are the new model wrinkles) I'm hoping there'll be an option to have a plain (Cooper type) bonnet.

I really love the scoop (and curves) of my current bonnet but if it was just cosmetic I'd feel it was a complete fraud.

minicabrio · Jul 27th, 2006, 02:59 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by fl0r15t

Purely cosmetic scoop!? Dead against it. Just plain wrong!

When it comes to changing mine in a few years (when the MCSC is out and so are the new model wrinkles) I'm hoping there'll be an option to have a plain (Cooper type) bonnet.

I really love the scoop (and curves) of my current bonnet but if it was just cosmetic I'd feel it was a complete fraud.

Stick a Kitt style scrolling red light and call it a feature

ONED · Jul 27th, 2006, 03:59 PM

I would say that there is some substance in the idea that it will provide cooling in the turbo area. Unusually the manifold and turbo are at the front of the engine, and the turbo sits closer to the bonnet than standard exhaust, I would say that this should require more room, and a degree of cooling to protect the paintwork on the bonnet, or else a serious amount of heat-sheilding .
Paul I assume that this is intercooled engine and that the intercooler is behind the grill?

minirog · Jul 27th, 2006, 04:41 PM

If it has no function then IMHO it shouldn't be there.

The original (classic) S had little to distinguish it from the standard Cooper IIRC and I think they should perhaps take a leaf out of that book rather than faking it - form and function, form and function.

Anyway, there are other ways to differentiate the S from the standard Cooper if that's what's so important but this move seems to me to go against the original ethos of the classless Mini that was alluded to above and the marque will IMHO be all the poorer for it.

pchilton · Jul 27th, 2006, 05:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by minirog

If it has no function then IMHO it shouldn't be there.

The original (classic) S had little to distinguish it from the standard Cooper IIRC and I think they should perhaps take a leaf out of that book rather than faking it - form and function, form and function.

Anyway, there are other ways to differentiate the S from the standard Cooper if that's what's so important but this move seems to me to go against the original ethos of the classless Mini that was alluded to above and the marque will IMHO be all the poorer for it.

MINIROG - exactly! You have hit the nail on the head, this is the definitive reason why it should NOT be there.

Cheers

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Jul 27th, 2006, 10:19 AM	#21
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Big grey box Local Time: 03:28 AM Posts: 40,514 Offline	The Cooper is N/A not turbo. They stated very clearly that the scoop was not functional. Trained Monkeys

Jul 27th, 2006, 10:52 AM	#22 (permalink)
Rakey Remember My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 03:28 AM Posts: 50,153 Offline	I think its just a sill marketing tool, left there to convince people that the S is still the sportier model like others have said. I doubt it has been put in for the JCW to use it, as surely they would have just saved the bonnet for use on the JCW to give that the more appeal and sell more of them, just as they are rumoured to having different body kits on the JCW. The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

Jul 27th, 2006, 11:32 AM	#25 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Big grey box Local Time: 03:28 AM Posts: 40,514 Offline	You could say that of anything at all that has any design element that goes beyond the purely functional. Where do you draw the line? Trained Monkeys

Jul 27th, 2006, 11:34 AM	#27 (permalink)
RVW 003 On a Mission My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cabbage County Local Time: 03:28 AM Posts: 4,184 Offline	I am sure somebody will find a use for it Even if it only for model differences, think it looks OK. Besides where would I put my UJ if it was not there Mine is the POWER and the GLORY UNI ON JACK OWNERS CLUB GB006 www.clubmanregister.co.uk

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Jul 27th, 2006, 11:11 AM	#23 (permalink)
ALD0 Hacked the IBUS Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cheshire Local Time: 03:28 AM Posts: 9,220 Offline	Sorry Paul, didn't see this thread! It serves no purpose, looks like a wannabe Supercharge intake!

Jul 27th, 2006, 11:27 AM	#24 (permalink)
MickyD MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Local Time: 02:28 PM Posts: 3,628 Offline	I think the debate over the contrivedness (is that a word?) of the slot is kind of ironic when in reality, the whole car is kind of contrived.....

Jul 27th, 2006, 11:33 AM	#26 (permalink)
MickyD MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Local Time: 02:28 PM Posts: 3,628 Offline	fair point

Jul 27th, 2006, 11:47 AM	#28 (permalink)
Tonyt3 Track addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hants Local Time: 03:28 AM Posts: 6,010 Offline	I really love the slot on the current car, so it kinda upsets me to come to the conclusion that the slot is there for nothing more than looks. And because of this, if they couldnt find a use for it, and if they couldnt come up with something better, then I think they should have ditched it. I'm sure there must have been lots of arguements about it at the design stages..... Saying its probably there for 'future JCW usage' is i think just rediculous. Lets admit it, the 'face' of the current Mini is near perfect. Its cheeky, loveable, full of charachter, and easy to modify for a different look.... Nothing about the 'face' of the new car seems to move this forward. The honeycoombe grill leaves me flat, sure they will change it for production.

Jul 27th, 2006, 11:59 AM	#29 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Big grey box Local Time: 03:28 AM Posts: 40,514 Offline	I wouldn't so sure on the grille changing to be honest, but they will have alternatives. Trained Monkeys

Jul 27th, 2006, 12:41 PM	#30 (permalink)
Hat ITS RAINNIN' SIDEWAYS My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 03:28 AM Posts: 15,971 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett I wouldn't so sure on the grille changing to be honest, but they will have alternatives. are you saying the s will have a black honeycomb grille as standard?

Jul 27th, 2006, 12:50 PM	#31 (permalink)
ABG Yatta!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Local Time: 03:28 AM Posts: 8,387 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3 As a snob and a show off, I NEED to have a scoop in order to show that I have a proper performance car, not to be confused with the everyday run of the mill standard Cooper... Thats why I think the Scoop stayed on the car.... because 'class' conscious BMW believed people would need a major differential between their base model and their performance model... I think the last thing a class concious BMW people would want is a built in point of ridicule. AFAIK all car manufacturers build in differences between the different performance models, usually using badges, alloys, exhaust pipes and exclusice colours. But a big scoop on the bonnet that does nothing other than make you go a bit flustered when people ask what it's for? Not good for any car IMO but really bad for the image of the fun and unpretentious character of a MINI.

Jul 27th, 2006, 12:59 PM	#32 (permalink)
RenaultF1 Of course it is... Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Maine Local Time: 10:28 PM Posts: 644 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Hat unless its going to be used in the future i can't see the point of tooling & manufacturing a different bonnet for the S when a lot of the modifications that have taken place have been about reducing manufacuring complexity/time & cost Exactly! Two bonnets make absolutely no sense. I hate the fact that the scoop does nothing. If I went with a new S, I'd be tempted to change the bonnet to the Cooper bonnet...

Jul 27th, 2006, 01:02 PM	#33 (permalink)
MickyD MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Local Time: 02:28 PM Posts: 3,628 Offline	I'm sure if the car DIDN'T have the slot, we'd all be reading a thread decrying the fact that it had gone.....

Jul 27th, 2006, 01:02 PM	#34 (permalink)
Jon Chalk Cooperama? Who's he? Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Milton Keynes Local Time: 04:28 AM Posts: 689 Offline	Kinda daft really - If they wanted to physically distinguish between an 'S' & a Cooper, there must have been better, less expensive, less drag-inducing ways of doing it. (Modifed, low-drag bumpers, sills, spoiler for example?) Where is the intercooler located now, anyway?

Jul 27th, 2006, 01:40 PM	#35 (permalink)
ALD0 Hacked the IBUS Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cheshire Local Time: 03:28 AM Posts: 9,220 Offline	I was just thinking that if MINI do read these forums (which they do) I remember when it was announced supercharger was to be dropped, everyone posted that they would miss the scoop! So that was probably one of the reasons why they designed into the R56 model, I wonder if they will read this feedback and change there ideas?!

Jul 27th, 2006, 02:48 PM	#36 (permalink)
fl0r15t Press the magic button... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Oxford, UK Local Time: 03:28 AM Posts: 367 Offline	Purely cosmetic scoop!? Dead against it. Just plain wrong! When it comes to changing mine in a few years (when the MCSC is out and so are the new model wrinkles) I'm hoping there'll be an option to have a plain (Cooper type) bonnet. I really love the scoop (and curves) of my current bonnet but if it was just cosmetic I'd feel it was a complete fraud.

Jul 27th, 2006, 02:59 PM	#37 (permalink)
minicabrio Sing-a-long MINIer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampshire Local Time: 03:28 AM Posts: 16,150 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by fl0r15t Purely cosmetic scoop!? Dead against it. Just plain wrong! When it comes to changing mine in a few years (when the MCSC is out and so are the new model wrinkles) I'm hoping there'll be an option to have a plain (Cooper type) bonnet. I really love the scoop (and curves) of my current bonnet but if it was just cosmetic I'd feel it was a complete fraud. Stick a Kitt style scrolling red light and call it a feature

Jul 27th, 2006, 03:59 PM	#38 (permalink)
ONED SUCKIN DIESEL!!!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Shopping at Lidl Local Time: 03:28 AM Posts: 7,529 Offline	I would say that there is some substance in the idea that it will provide cooling in the turbo area. Unusually the manifold and turbo are at the front of the engine, and the turbo sits closer to the bonnet than standard exhaust, I would say that this should require more room, and a degree of cooling to protect the paintwork on the bonnet, or else a serious amount of heat-sheilding . Paul I assume that this is intercooled engine and that the intercooler is behind the grill?

Jul 27th, 2006, 04:41 PM	#39 (permalink)
minirog Hello :) Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bristol Local Time: 03:28 AM Posts: 291 Offline	If it has no function then IMHO it shouldn't be there. The original (classic) S had little to distinguish it from the standard Cooper IIRC and I think they should perhaps take a leaf out of that book rather than faking it - form and function, form and function. Anyway, there are other ways to differentiate the S from the standard Cooper if that's what's so important but this move seems to me to go against the original ethos of the classless Mini that was alluded to above and the marque will IMHO be all the poorer for it.

Jul 27th, 2006, 05:22 PM	#40 (permalink)
pchilton MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Douglas, Massachusetts Local Time: 03:28 AM Posts: 98 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by minirog If it has no function then IMHO it shouldn't be there. The original (classic) S had little to distinguish it from the standard Cooper IIRC and I think they should perhaps take a leaf out of that book rather than faking it - form and function, form and function. Anyway, there are other ways to differentiate the S from the standard Cooper if that's what's so important but this move seems to me to go against the original ethos of the classless Mini that was alluded to above and the marque will IMHO be all the poorer for it. MINIROG - exactly! You have hit the nail on the head, this is the definitive reason why it should NOT be there. Cheers Chilly

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