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mad brummie · Jul 27th, 2006, 07:37 PM

I don't like it, its fake and pointless, i take Paul's point about any design idea can be seen as over design but to be so blatant??

Root Ginger · Jul 27th, 2006, 08:27 PM

I just see it as continuing the look of the S onto the new car. Everyone knows the S has a scoop. Even though it's not required now why get rid of it?

There are other elements on the MINI that are unecessary now but are part of the car's looks.

Plastic arch extensions for example. Originally added on the classic so they could fit wider wheels and pass UK regulations that the wheels on a car must be covered. So why are they on the current MINI?

How about the wing on the current Cooper? Does absolutely nothing. Purely for looks alone.

Now the scoop is the same to continue the look from the earlier cars. I don't see a problem.

MINIAC · Jul 27th, 2006, 08:39 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Root Ginger

Plastic arch extensions for example. Originally added on the classic so they could fit wider wheels and pass UK regulations that the wheels on a car must be covered. So why are they on the current MINI?

Because they're lighter and cheaper than extra steel required for the body shell

StevePSB · Jul 27th, 2006, 08:50 PM

You don't need a scoop to look sporty, so I'm sure it doesn't need to be there to differentiate the S from other new MINI's. A fake scoop is a bad idea. It's akin to those who dress up Cooper's/ONE's to look like an S. Pointless and silly.

The Red Baron · Jul 27th, 2006, 09:00 PM

The scoop on the new mini is just a case of style over substance, as in other areas of design on the mini. As an another example the faux brake cooling ducts on the GP, which serve no other purpose than to add to the overall design of the car.

~Marcus~ · Jul 27th, 2006, 09:02 PM

Can't see a problem myself, after all the side air vents and the rear bumper grilles are fake on the current MCS.

Root Ginger · Jul 27th, 2006, 09:18 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC

Because they're lighter and cheaper than extra steel required for the body shell

Makes virtually no weight difference if the panels where made to the correct width. It's purely cosmetic the same as the scoop will be now.

Root Ginger · Jul 27th, 2006, 09:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ~Marcus~

Can't see a problem myself, after all the side air vents and the rear bumper grilles are fake on the current MCS.

Exactly, well said. People seem to forget how much of car design is cosmetic. The scoop defines the S whether it has a purpose now or not.

Paul · Jul 27th, 2006, 09:22 PM

One other reason is they're very cheap to replace, almost throw away, and that helps with insurance costs etc. (as well as general running costs). These factors also came into play with the update, they've tried to make panels, lights etc take impacts better, the MINI is very expensive to repair at the moment with almost ANY frontal impacts.

MINIAC · Jul 27th, 2006, 09:29 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Root Ginger

The scoop defines the S whether it has a purpose now or not.

The original Mini Cooper S had no scoop. The 1st generation MINI Cooper S had one because it was required.

Joogle · Jul 27th, 2006, 09:50 PM

Plastic arches are also a lot better for pedestrians if you are unfourtunate enough to hit one.....

I can understand the slot on the current car, and why you would want to carry it over to the new model. But with the larger front grille its not necessary, it does nothing and is a waste of time. Would prefer it to be the same as the Cooper - much better going for the Q car look.....

Root Ginger · Jul 27th, 2006, 10:33 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC

The original Mini Cooper S had no scoop. The 1st generation MINI Cooper S had one because it was required.

And this is an evolution of that car.

The original Mini never had plastic wheel arches either but when they were required they were added and now they're not they are there as a design feature. The scoop is identical except it's been added at a later stage. Perhaps further on in the evolution it will be used again or phased out, who knows.

Olly. · Jul 27th, 2006, 10:48 PM

I think it suits it personally

Prowse · Jul 27th, 2006, 11:04 PM

'Just borrowed a fake scoop from a Scooby'

MINIAC · Jul 27th, 2006, 11:25 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Root Ginger

The original Mini never had plastic wheel arches either but when they were required they were added and now they're not they are there as a design feature.

The MINI would look pretty funny without the plasitc wheel arches

mcarlo52 · Jul 27th, 2006, 11:47 PM

I'm on a list to get a 2007 MCS and I think the photos so far show a very good looking car, however, if the scoop is not needed, it shouldn't be there. The point about there being many cosmetic non-functional items is a good one and because of that I find no fault with BMW for having it there. If one hates a non-functional scoop but can't live without the S, change the bonnet.
On the other hand, I love the notion of doing the KATT or Cylon thing. Or maybe a scrolling LED text message that the drivers in front can read in their rearview mirrors.

rwkeating · Jul 28th, 2006, 01:57 AM

I think of MINI owners as being more about substance than fake flash and needing to show off. Being proud of what you have and showing it is okay, but having something fake to make the car look more special (when to me something fake is very un-special) ... just seams un-MINI to me.

Best solution, keep the scoop and make it functional ... the end

RVW · Jul 28th, 2006, 05:51 AM

I am sittinghere quietly chuckling to myself reading all this . Quite frankly it is all irrelevant.
These kind of discussions/arguments call them what you will, went on with the introduction of the new MINI as against the classic.
People then said I will not buy it because blah blah blah. You are now doing the same thing.
BMW have redesigned the NEW MINI and it has evolved. If you don`t like don`t buy it.

If the First new MINI Cooper S had come out with the ( fake) scoop just as a design feature I think it would have hailed as a brilliant feature.
Personally I think it adds a bit of character and distinction and who knows it may unwittingly add to under bonnet cooling.

ALD0 · Jul 28th, 2006, 07:31 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Prowse

'Just borrowed a fake scoop from a Scooby'

LOL-I'll stick that to a D as that will be turbo'd aswell!

AidenL · Jul 28th, 2006, 07:38 AM

Its not a good idea really - I think the guy / team who designed the front of the R56 really lost the plot, and has made a serious mess of the overall frontal aspect of the car.

The scoop is just silly, the grille is a disaster.

Regulation compliance or not, it just looks terrible.

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Jul 27th, 2006, 08:27 PM	#42 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 08:43 AM Posts: 4,673 Offline	I just see it as continuing the look of the S onto the new car. Everyone knows the S has a scoop. Even though it's not required now why get rid of it? There are other elements on the MINI that are unecessary now but are part of the car's looks. Plastic arch extensions for example. Originally added on the classic so they could fit wider wheels and pass UK regulations that the wheels on a car must be covered. So why are they on the current MINI? How about the wing on the current Cooper? Does absolutely nothing. Purely for looks alone. Now the scoop is the same to continue the look from the earlier cars. I don't see a problem. It was acceptable in the 80's

Jul 27th, 2006, 09:00 PM	#45 (permalink)
The Red Baron Oh good grief! My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Legoland Local Time: 08:43 AM Posts: 5,165 Offline	The scoop on the new mini is just a case of style over substance, as in other areas of design on the mini. As an another example the faux brake cooling ducts on the GP, which serve no other purpose than to add to the overall design of the car. 20 Oct to 1 Nov 2008 www.miniadventureworld.com

Jul 27th, 2006, 09:02 PM	#46 (permalink)
~Marcus~ No JCW for me :o( Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London & Hampshire Local Time: 08:43 AM Posts: 1,953 Offline	Can't see a problem myself, after all the side air vents and the rear bumper grilles are fake on the current MCS. My Blog

Jul 27th, 2006, 09:18 PM	#47 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 08:43 AM Posts: 4,673 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC Because they're lighter and cheaper than extra steel required for the body shell Makes virtually no weight difference if the panels where made to the correct width. It's purely cosmetic the same as the scoop will be now. It was acceptable in the 80's

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mad brummie I Just Can't Get Enough Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: end of the alphabet Local Time: 08:43 AM Posts: 48,534 Offline	I don't like it, its fake and pointless, i take Paul's point about any design idea can be seen as over design but to be so blatant??

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Jul 27th, 2006, 08:39 PM	#43 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 12:43 AM Posts: 8,527 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Root Ginger Plastic arch extensions for example. Originally added on the classic so they could fit wider wheels and pass UK regulations that the wheels on a car must be covered. So why are they on the current MINI? Because they're lighter and cheaper than extra steel required for the body shell

Jul 27th, 2006, 08:50 PM	#44 (permalink)
StevePSB MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bedworth / Doncaster Local Time: 08:43 AM Posts: 1,631 Offline	You don't need a scoop to look sporty, so I'm sure it doesn't need to be there to differentiate the S from other new MINI's. A fake scoop is a bad idea. It's akin to those who dress up Cooper's/ONE's to look like an S. Pointless and silly.

Jul 27th, 2006, 09:22 PM	#48 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 08:43 AM Posts: 4,673 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ~Marcus~ Can't see a problem myself, after all the side air vents and the rear bumper grilles are fake on the current MCS. Exactly, well said. People seem to forget how much of car design is cosmetic. The scoop defines the S whether it has a purpose now or not. It was acceptable in the 80's

Jul 27th, 2006, 09:22 PM	#49 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 08:43 AM Posts: 40,873 Offline	One other reason is they're very cheap to replace, almost throw away, and that helps with insurance costs etc. (as well as general running costs). These factors also came into play with the update, they've tried to make panels, lights etc take impacts better, the MINI is very expensive to repair at the moment with almost ANY frontal impacts.

Jul 27th, 2006, 09:29 PM	#50 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 12:43 AM Posts: 8,527 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Root Ginger The scoop defines the S whether it has a purpose now or not. The original Mini Cooper S had no scoop. The 1st generation MINI Cooper S had one because it was required.

Jul 27th, 2006, 09:50 PM	#51 (permalink)
Joogle MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2006 Location: Midlands Local Time: 08:43 AM Posts: 911 Offline	Plastic arches are also a lot better for pedestrians if you are unfourtunate enough to hit one..... I can understand the slot on the current car, and why you would want to carry it over to the new model. But with the larger front grille its not necessary, it does nothing and is a waste of time. Would prefer it to be the same as the Cooper - much better going for the Q car look.....

Jul 27th, 2006, 10:33 PM	#52 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 08:43 AM Posts: 4,673 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC The original Mini Cooper S had no scoop. The 1st generation MINI Cooper S had one because it was required. And this is an evolution of that car. The original Mini never had plastic wheel arches either but when they were required they were added and now they're not they are there as a design feature. The scoop is identical except it's been added at a later stage. Perhaps further on in the evolution it will be used again or phased out, who knows. It was acceptable in the 80's

Jul 27th, 2006, 10:48 PM	#53 (permalink)
Olly. Overboosting..... Join Date: Sep 2003 Local Time: 08:43 AM Posts: 3,492 Offline	I think it suits it personally

Jul 27th, 2006, 11:04 PM	#54 (permalink)
Prowse MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Lancs Local Time: 08:43 AM Posts: 1,533 Offline	'Just borrowed a fake scoop from a Scooby'

Jul 27th, 2006, 11:25 PM	#55 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 12:43 AM Posts: 8,527 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Root Ginger The original Mini never had plastic wheel arches either but when they were required they were added and now they're not they are there as a design feature. The MINI would look pretty funny without the plasitc wheel arches

Jul 27th, 2006, 11:47 PM	#56 (permalink)
mcarlo52 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bay Area, California Local Time: 11:43 PM Posts: 35 Offline	I'm on a list to get a 2007 MCS and I think the photos so far show a very good looking car, however, if the scoop is not needed, it shouldn't be there. The point about there being many cosmetic non-functional items is a good one and because of that I find no fault with BMW for having it there. If one hates a non-functional scoop but can't live without the S, change the bonnet. On the other hand, I love the notion of doing the KATT or Cylon thing. Or maybe a scrolling LED text message that the drivers in front can read in their rearview mirrors.

Jul 28th, 2006, 01:57 AM	#57 (permalink)
rwkeating MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Apr 2006 Local Time: 02:43 AM Posts: 41 Offline	I think of MINI owners as being more about substance than fake flash and needing to show off. Being proud of what you have and showing it is okay, but having something fake to make the car look more special (when to me something fake is very un-special) ... just seams un-MINI to me. Best solution, keep the scoop and make it functional ... the end

Jul 28th, 2006, 05:51 AM	#58 (permalink)
RVW 003 On a Mission My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cabbage County Local Time: 08:43 AM Posts: 4,152 Offline	I am sittinghere quietly chuckling to myself reading all this . Quite frankly it is all irrelevant. These kind of discussions/arguments call them what you will, went on with the introduction of the new MINI as against the classic. People then said I will not buy it because blah blah blah. You are now doing the same thing. BMW have redesigned the NEW MINI and it has evolved. If you don`t like don`t buy it. If the First new MINI Cooper S had come out with the ( fake) scoop just as a design feature I think it would have hailed as a brilliant feature. Personally I think it adds a bit of character and distinction and who knows it may unwittingly add to under bonnet cooling. Mine is the POWER and the GLORY UNI ON JACK OWNERS CLUB GB006

Jul 28th, 2006, 07:31 AM	#59 (permalink)
ALD0 MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2003 Local Time: 08:43 AM Posts: 9,463 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Prowse 'Just borrowed a fake scoop from a Scooby' LOL-I'll stick that to a D as that will be turbo'd aswell!

Jul 28th, 2006, 07:38 AM	#60 (permalink)
AidenL Nice TTs......... Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: On The Coast........ Local Time: 08:43 AM Posts: 42,151 Offline	Its not a good idea really - I think the guy / team who designed the front of the R56 really lost the plot, and has made a serious mess of the overall frontal aspect of the car. The scoop is just silly, the grille is a disaster. Regulation compliance or not, it just looks terrible. *Global Moderator*

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