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MINIGRANI · Jul 28th, 2006, 07:31 PM

What about the little black grills on the back bumper? What are they for except cosmetic? I think the scoop says "S".

JG.26 · Jul 29th, 2006, 08:24 PM

Perhaps BMW are doing themselves a favour once they realise the Peugeot / Citroen engine won't be upto the job and they have to quickly insert a supercharged engine back in

No supercharger then no scoop, they may as well have put a scoop sticker on the front and kept the standard cooper bonnet

Reading through all the different threads on the new model I'm quite surprised how many people dislike the new look, I wasn't expecting such negativity and shows how much the current model is liked and loved.............

Paul · Jul 29th, 2006, 09:14 PM

Why would a mostly BMW developed engine, produced at a BMW engine plant, be called a Peugeot/Citroen engine? That's even worse than calling the current unit a Chrysler engine, BMW had a lot more input on this one than the current one (apparently).

Rakey · Jul 29th, 2006, 09:21 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett

Why would a mostly BMW developed engine, produced at a BMW engine plant, be called a Peugeot/Citroen engine? That's even worse than calling the current unit a Chrysler engine, BMW had a lot more input on this one than the current one (apparently).

its funny, but I was reading a 207 review the other day, and they refer to it as the BMW engine

JG.26 · Jul 29th, 2006, 09:34 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett

Why would a mostly BMW developed engine, produced at a BMW engine plant, be called a Peugeot/Citroen engine? That's even worse than calling the current unit a Chrysler engine, BMW had a lot more input on this one than the current one (apparently).

Anything remotely linked to Peugeot / Citroen is a no no in my book, what input does the French Company have? I would still say its a Frog engine masquerading as a German

I always thought the current engine was a Chrysler?.........

Interesting what I read in the daily mail today on the new S........Bad point was not enough 'sporty' rasp from the engine/exhaust to match it's performance

Paul · Jul 29th, 2006, 09:51 PM

I think the new exhuast note is a great improvement on the current one ('05 model year onwards), which I think can sound too hollow and tiny at times, like it's trying to hard (I own one, so no offence intended, just my opinion on it). The new exhaust not us much more deep and rumbly and it still pops/burbles nicely too. Sounds great speeding my on the track/slalom!

The current engine is a Tritec unit, lots on that on here already though: http://www.tritecmotors.com.br/engli...percharged.htm

If I had to chose blindly a from a British built BMW/PSA engine or a Brazillian built Chrysler/BMW engine I'd probably go with the BMW/PSA one, as my only previous ownership experience of a Pug was a 205 1.9 GTI many moons ago, and the engine in that was bonkers, but great fun.

The major input from PSA is the experience of mass producing engines of this size/nature, technology wise it's very much BMW lead. One "downside", according to the head of the project, is the fact the engine is the wrong way around, exhaust at the front.

JG.26 · Jul 29th, 2006, 10:03 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett

I think the new exhuast note is a great improvement on the current one ('05 model year onwards), which I think can sound too hollow and tiny at times, like it's trying to hard (I own one, so no offence intended, just my opinion on it). The new exhaust not us much more deep and rumbly and it still pops/burbles nicely too. Sounds great speeding my on the track/slalom!

The current engine is a Tritec unit, lots on that on here already though: http://www.tritecmotors.com.br/engli...percharged.htm

If I had to chose blindly a from a British built BMW/PSA engine or a Brazillian built Chrysler/BMW engine I'd probably go with the BMW/PSA one, as my only previous ownership experience of a Pug was a 205 1.9 GTI many moons ago, and the engine in that was bonkers, but great fun.

The major input from PSA is the experience of mass producing engines of this size/nature, technology wise it's very much BMW lead. One "downside", according to the head of the project, is the fact the engine is the wrong way around, exhaust at the front.

Thanks for explaining Paul.............even though it's a fairly low tech unit I've always liked the Tritec engine in the S...........anything with a PSA link gives me the heebie jeebies, as my neighbour has a Pug 307 and it sounds

Also reliability if the new engine has Pug parts?

mad brummie · Jul 29th, 2006, 10:15 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Penguinblue

Thanks for explaining Paul.............even though it's a fairly low tech unit I've always liked the Tritec engine in the S...........anything with a PSA link gives me the heebie jeebies, as my neighbour has a Pug 307 and it sounds

Also reliability if the new engine has Pug parts?

i really don't think BMW would risk its reputation for engineering excellence by allowing sub standard parts into the mix. It's gonna be built in England by BMW. It WILL be a quality product, no doubt whatsoever.

No worries at all.

JG.26 · Jul 29th, 2006, 10:23 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by mad brummie

i really don't think BMW would risk its reputation for engineering excellence by allowing sub standard parts into the mix. It's gonna be built in England by BMW. It WILL be a quality product, no doubt whatsoever.

No worries at all.

Lets hope it won't be like the current gearboxes

...................I'm sure your right.........but then again BMW seemed to drag their feet where their engineering excellence was slightly off the rails regarding reliability.

mad brummie · Jul 29th, 2006, 10:28 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Penguinblue

Lets hope it won't be like the current gearboxes

...................I'm sure your right.........but then again BMW seemed to drag their feet where their engineering excellence was slightly off the rails regarding reliability.

nowt wrong with the current gearboxes, the old Midland ones in the Cooper were a bit dicey but the Getrags have been ok

JG.26 · Jul 29th, 2006, 10:39 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by mad brummie

nowt wrong with the current gearboxes, the old Midland ones in the Cooper were a bit dicey but the Getrags have been ok

I think it's swings and roundabouts, luckily the Getrag in my S has been OK although I've always had the rumblings at idle that most S's seem to get. One of my neighbours has just swapped his One for the latest model going from the Midland to the Getrag gearbox and felt a little peeved as the Getrag seems alot noiser than his 03 One, think it's luck of the draw which hopefully will be sorted with the replacement model

AndrewH · Jul 30th, 2006, 12:41 AM

It's funny how people think the current engine is low tech - must have something to do with the fact that Chrysler had major design input

The reality is that the only low tech parts of it are its iron block and that it doesn't have variable valve timing. The rest of it is up there with the best.

I'm sure the new engine will be a honey, but as my current 01/06 MCS will be a long term car for me, I'm glad it doesn't have variable valve timing or an alloy block

More parts (or significantly more in the case of the new engine) = more possibilities for things to go wrong over the life of the engine

Hyper Active · Jul 30th, 2006, 03:10 PM

I think I've just realised what the scoop on the 2nd gen MCS is for

.

It's a design feature for the Royal Mail to help deliver the mail quicker

.

The new MCS is in fact a mobile post box

. It will save time as there will be no need for slow diesel vans, moving slowly between fixed post boxes to pick up all the letters

. So if you have ever dreamed of being Postman Pat, then buy a red one along with a black & white cat and your dream will have come true

.

The only down side will be cleaning your engine bay

. Current MCS owners just degrease there engine

, while 2nd gen owners will have to remove all the junk mail from pizza delivery firms and curry houses first

.

mad brummie · Jul 30th, 2006, 03:47 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Hyper Active

I think I've just realised what the scoop on the 2nd gen MCS is for

.

It's a design feature for the Royal Mail to help deliver the mail quicker

.

The new MCS is in fact a mobile post box

. It will save time as there will be no need for slow diesel vans, moving slowly between fixed post boxes to pick up all the letters

. So if you have ever dreamed of being Postman Pat, then buy a red one along with a black & white cat and your dream will have come true

.

The only down side will be cleaning your engine bay

. Current MCS owners just degrease there engine

, while 2nd gen owners will have to remove all the junk mail from pizza delivery firms and curry houses first

.

LOL very good but i made that joke a couple of pages back!!!

GregF · Jul 30th, 2006, 08:17 PM

As a current Cooper owner, I would certainly consider the S again on the next go round, but I would hope that by then going "scoop-less" will be an option. Not that there is anything wrong with the current S's styling, but if I had one I'd probably de-badge it and get rid of the spoiler. I prefer a more stealthy look.

LMB · Jul 31st, 2006, 11:31 AM

If the scoop serves no purpose then it looses it's credibility.

minicabrio · Jul 31st, 2006, 11:33 AM

But it does serve a purpose, it distinguishes the S from the Cooper.

Its like saying the chrome side vents with S logo fitted to the current S serve no purpose. Why shouldn't it have the same black plastic ones as the Cooper.

LMB · Jul 31st, 2006, 11:54 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by minicabrio

But it does serve a purpose, it distinguishes the S from the Cooper.

Its like saying the chrome side vents with S logo fitted to the current S serve no purpose. Why shouldn't it have the same black plastic ones as the Cooper.

It's not what it was designed for.

swamos · Aug 1st, 2006, 03:25 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by LMB

It's not what it was designed for.

I'm with you on this....

I'd rather see a lowered nose than a scoop that does nothing.

Bayliner · Aug 1st, 2006, 04:23 PM

I think: Is it an opportunity for the aftermarket to exploit, all that room above the engine and the scoop already in place.
Maybee a ram air system?

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Jul 29th, 2006, 09:14 PM	#83 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Big grey box Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 40,514 Offline	Why would a mostly BMW developed engine, produced at a BMW engine plant, be called a Peugeot/Citroen engine? That's even worse than calling the current unit a Chrysler engine, BMW had a lot more input on this one than the current one (apparently). Trained Monkeys

Jul 29th, 2006, 09:21 PM	#84 (permalink)
Rakey Remember My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 50,153 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett Why would a mostly BMW developed engine, produced at a BMW engine plant, be called a Peugeot/Citroen engine? That's even worse than calling the current unit a Chrysler engine, BMW had a lot more input on this one than the current one (apparently). its funny, but I was reading a 207 review the other day, and they refer to it as the BMW engine The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

Jul 29th, 2006, 09:51 PM	#86 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Big grey box Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 40,514 Offline	I think the new exhuast note is a great improvement on the current one ('05 model year onwards), which I think can sound too hollow and tiny at times, like it's trying to hard (I own one, so no offence intended, just my opinion on it). The new exhaust not us much more deep and rumbly and it still pops/burbles nicely too. Sounds great speeding my on the track/slalom! The current engine is a Tritec unit, lots on that on here already though: http://www.tritecmotors.com.br/engli...percharged.htm If I had to chose blindly a from a British built BMW/PSA engine or a Brazillian built Chrysler/BMW engine I'd probably go with the BMW/PSA one, as my only previous ownership experience of a Pug was a 205 1.9 GTI many moons ago, and the engine in that was bonkers, but great fun. The major input from PSA is the experience of mass producing engines of this size/nature, technology wise it's very much BMW lead. One "downside", according to the head of the project, is the fact the engine is the wrong way around, exhaust at the front. Trained Monkeys

Jul 30th, 2006, 12:41 AM	#92 (permalink)
AndrewH Were there Oompa loompas? Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canberra Local Time: 04:09 PM Posts: 4,181 Offline	It's funny how people think the current engine is low tech - must have something to do with the fact that Chrysler had major design input The reality is that the only low tech parts of it are its iron block and that it doesn't have variable valve timing. The rest of it is up there with the best. I'm sure the new engine will be a honey, but as my current 01/06 MCS will be a long term car for me, I'm glad it doesn't have variable valve timing or an alloy block More parts (or significantly more in the case of the new engine) = more possibilities for things to go wrong over the life of the engine Jan 06 MCS Checkmate

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Jul 28th, 2006, 07:31 PM	#81
MINIGRANI MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK. Local Time: 12:09 AM Posts: 3 Offline	What about the little black grills on the back bumper? What are they for except cosmetic? I think the scoop says "S".

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Jul 29th, 2006, 08:24 PM	#82 (permalink)
JG.26 MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Virtual World Local Time: 06:09 AM Posts: 1,038 Offline	Perhaps BMW are doing themselves a favour once they realise the Peugeot / Citroen engine won't be upto the job and they have to quickly insert a supercharged engine back in No supercharger then no scoop, they may as well have put a scoop sticker on the front and kept the standard cooper bonnet Reading through all the different threads on the new model I'm quite surprised how many people dislike the new look, I wasn't expecting such negativity and shows how much the current model is liked and loved.............

Jul 29th, 2006, 09:34 PM	#85 (permalink)
JG.26 MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Virtual World Local Time: 06:09 AM Posts: 1,038 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett Why would a mostly BMW developed engine, produced at a BMW engine plant, be called a Peugeot/Citroen engine? That's even worse than calling the current unit a Chrysler engine, BMW had a lot more input on this one than the current one (apparently). Anything remotely linked to Peugeot / Citroen is a no no in my book, what input does the French Company have? I would still say its a Frog engine masquerading as a German I always thought the current engine was a Chrysler?......... Interesting what I read in the daily mail today on the new S........Bad point was not enough 'sporty' rasp from the engine/exhaust to match it's performance

Jul 29th, 2006, 10:03 PM	#87 (permalink)
JG.26 MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Virtual World Local Time: 06:09 AM Posts: 1,038 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett I think the new exhuast note is a great improvement on the current one ('05 model year onwards), which I think can sound too hollow and tiny at times, like it's trying to hard (I own one, so no offence intended, just my opinion on it). The new exhaust not us much more deep and rumbly and it still pops/burbles nicely too. Sounds great speeding my on the track/slalom! The current engine is a Tritec unit, lots on that on here already though: http://www.tritecmotors.com.br/engli...percharged.htm If I had to chose blindly a from a British built BMW/PSA engine or a Brazillian built Chrysler/BMW engine I'd probably go with the BMW/PSA one, as my only previous ownership experience of a Pug was a 205 1.9 GTI many moons ago, and the engine in that was bonkers, but great fun. The major input from PSA is the experience of mass producing engines of this size/nature, technology wise it's very much BMW lead. One "downside", according to the head of the project, is the fact the engine is the wrong way around, exhaust at the front. Thanks for explaining Paul.............even though it's a fairly low tech unit I've always liked the Tritec engine in the S...........anything with a PSA link gives me the heebie jeebies, as my neighbour has a Pug 307 and it sounds Also reliability if the new engine has Pug parts?

Jul 29th, 2006, 10:15 PM	#88 (permalink)
mad brummie I Just Can't Get Enough Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: end of the alphabet Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 48,954 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Penguinblue Thanks for explaining Paul.............even though it's a fairly low tech unit I've always liked the Tritec engine in the S...........anything with a PSA link gives me the heebie jeebies, as my neighbour has a Pug 307 and it sounds Also reliability if the new engine has Pug parts? i really don't think BMW would risk its reputation for engineering excellence by allowing sub standard parts into the mix. It's gonna be built in England by BMW. It WILL be a quality product, no doubt whatsoever. No worries at all.

Jul 29th, 2006, 10:23 PM	#89 (permalink)
JG.26 MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Virtual World Local Time: 06:09 AM Posts: 1,038 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by mad brummie i really don't think BMW would risk its reputation for engineering excellence by allowing sub standard parts into the mix. It's gonna be built in England by BMW. It WILL be a quality product, no doubt whatsoever. No worries at all. Lets hope it won't be like the current gearboxes ...................I'm sure your right.........but then again BMW seemed to drag their feet where their engineering excellence was slightly off the rails regarding reliability.

Jul 29th, 2006, 10:28 PM	#90 (permalink)
mad brummie I Just Can't Get Enough Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: end of the alphabet Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 48,954 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Penguinblue Lets hope it won't be like the current gearboxes ...................I'm sure your right.........but then again BMW seemed to drag their feet where their engineering excellence was slightly off the rails regarding reliability. nowt wrong with the current gearboxes, the old Midland ones in the Cooper were a bit dicey but the Getrags have been ok

Jul 29th, 2006, 10:39 PM	#91 (permalink)
JG.26 MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Virtual World Local Time: 06:09 AM Posts: 1,038 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by mad brummie nowt wrong with the current gearboxes, the old Midland ones in the Cooper were a bit dicey but the Getrags have been ok I think it's swings and roundabouts, luckily the Getrag in my S has been OK although I've always had the rumblings at idle that most S's seem to get. One of my neighbours has just swapped his One for the latest model going from the Midland to the Getrag gearbox and felt a little peeved as the Getrag seems alot noiser than his 03 One, think it's luck of the draw which hopefully will be sorted with the replacement model

Jul 30th, 2006, 03:10 PM	#93 (permalink)
Hyper Active MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Watford, Herts. UK Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 2,267 Offline	I think I've just realised what the scoop on the 2nd gen MCS is for . It's a design feature for the Royal Mail to help deliver the mail quicker . The new MCS is in fact a mobile post box . It will save time as there will be no need for slow diesel vans, moving slowly between fixed post boxes to pick up all the letters . So if you have ever dreamed of being Postman Pat, then buy a red one along with a black & white cat and your dream will have come true . The only down side will be cleaning your engine bay . Current MCS owners just degrease there engine , while 2nd gen owners will have to remove all the junk mail from pizza delivery firms and curry houses first .

Jul 30th, 2006, 03:47 PM	#94 (permalink)
mad brummie I Just Can't Get Enough Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: end of the alphabet Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 48,954 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Hyper Active I think I've just realised what the scoop on the 2nd gen MCS is for . It's a design feature for the Royal Mail to help deliver the mail quicker . The new MCS is in fact a mobile post box . It will save time as there will be no need for slow diesel vans, moving slowly between fixed post boxes to pick up all the letters . So if you have ever dreamed of being Postman Pat, then buy a red one along with a black & white cat and your dream will have come true . The only down side will be cleaning your engine bay . Current MCS owners just degrease there engine , while 2nd gen owners will have to remove all the junk mail from pizza delivery firms and curry houses first . LOL very good but i made that joke a couple of pages back!!!

Jul 30th, 2006, 08:17 PM	#95 (permalink)
GregF MINI2 Senior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Florida Local Time: 12:09 AM Posts: 510 Offline	As a current Cooper owner, I would certainly consider the S again on the next go round, but I would hope that by then going "scoop-less" will be an option. Not that there is anything wrong with the current S's styling, but if I had one I'd probably de-badge it and get rid of the spoiler. I prefer a more stealthy look.

Jul 31st, 2006, 11:31 AM	#96 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 23,749 Offline	If the scoop serves no purpose then it looses it's credibility. Global Moderator

Jul 31st, 2006, 11:33 AM	#97 (permalink)
minicabrio Sing-a-long MINIer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampshire Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 16,150 Offline	But it does serve a purpose, it distinguishes the S from the Cooper. Its like saying the chrome side vents with S logo fitted to the current S serve no purpose. Why shouldn't it have the same black plastic ones as the Cooper.

Jul 31st, 2006, 11:54 AM	#98 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 23,749 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by minicabrio But it does serve a purpose, it distinguishes the S from the Cooper. Its like saying the chrome side vents with S logo fitted to the current S serve no purpose. Why shouldn't it have the same black plastic ones as the Cooper. It's not what it was designed for. Global Moderator

Aug 1st, 2006, 03:25 AM	#99 (permalink)
swamos MINI Traitor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Local Time: 03:09 PM Posts: 4,986 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by LMB It's not what it was designed for. I'm with you on this.... I'd rather see a lowered nose than a scoop that does nothing.

Aug 1st, 2006, 04:23 PM	#100 (permalink)
Bayliner MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2006 Local Time: 07:09 AM Posts: 50 Offline	I think: Is it an opportunity for the aftermarket to exploit, all that room above the engine and the scoop already in place. Maybee a ram air system?

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