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AidenL · Jul 27th, 2006, 05:40 PM

I have to say I hate it

Its the one big thing that is turning me off the new car

- I can't understand why a designer would cut the botton off the grille and give us a trout pouted , fishy looking grille

- the honeycomb version on the S is the worst looking version of all as well.

It is the one aspect of the new car which might convince me not to buy one sadly - but as its a significant feature, its one we can hardly ignore - what are your thoughts?

minisoopercooper · Jul 27th, 2006, 05:55 PM

will be interesting to see if they drop the slats completly or if the offer a chrome version of the honeycomb.

If they are all honeycomb then what the hell will the aero kit have

cant wait for that!

Rakey · Jul 27th, 2006, 06:12 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by minisoopercooper

will be interesting to see if they drop the slats completly or if the offer a chrome version of the honeycomb.

If they are all honeycomb then what the hell will the aero kit have

cant wait for that!

there will be a slat version, but apparently this honeycomb thing is the planed MCS grill

I'm with you Aiden, it looks cheap, it doesn't look MINI/mini, and the shape, well it looks to end too soon.

I don't like the way the lower section of the bumper seems to flow into the upper grill, this looks too much like Audi to me, and they should both be seperate like the current flow of the MCS.

If I can't change this part or it doesn't change from now to production, I am with you, it will put me off buying it

rawk · Jul 27th, 2006, 06:32 PM

I have to agree, I'm not feeling good about what I'm seeing today...I miss Frank Stephenson and apparently so does MINI.

...now if I could only get that Rabbit commercial tune outta my head...

MINIAC · Jul 27th, 2006, 06:38 PM

From the Press Release ...

Quote:

Evolution in exterior design, revolution in the cockpit.

The exterior ... 60mm extra length, a bonnet with a non-functional scoop and without headlights that can "search the heavens" ... perhaps I could live with it.

But the interior ... it's REVOLTING

Tonyt3 · Jul 27th, 2006, 06:47 PM

She likes it...

Rakey · Jul 27th, 2006, 06:49 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by rawk

I have to agree, I'm not feeling good about what I'm seeing today...I miss Frank Stephenson and apparently so does MINI.

...now if I could only get that Rabbit commercial tune outta my head...

Rabbit tune?

Perhaps you should get a job at MINI Craig, I know you have impressed many with your work, and would keep the design true to its origins

Joogle · Jul 27th, 2006, 09:45 PM

What happened to the rumored old style grilles? would love to see it with an old Morris style grille.......

Generally I like the car - but the grille is a major turnoff, In classic Mini terms the black plastic grille was kept for the bottom of the range models..........

Rakey · Jul 27th, 2006, 09:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Joogle

What happened to the rumored old style grilles? would love to see it with an old Morris style grille.......

Generally I like the car - but the grille is a major turnoff, In classic Mini terms the black plastic grille was kept for the bottom of the range models..........

my thoughts too, the grill might suit a mini city, but not a MCS

I'd love to see a classic style wavey grill on a new MINI

Joogle · Jul 27th, 2006, 10:00 PM

I think the whole issue with the exterior is that after all the rumors that they were going to take more cues from the Classic they have not really captured the front end styling. Looking at it again I think I am really going to miss the sidelights - that was part of the Mini's face that gave the car its character.

laura f · Jul 27th, 2006, 10:04 PM

I just hope they change the front grille, as you say it looks cheap, doesn't suit the car and is way off the mark in terms of heritage

I would hope somebody somewhere is scribbling away redesigning it, either aftermarket or from MINI

It really looks a bit Peugeot like to me aka wide mouth frog

Tonyt3 · Jul 28th, 2006, 07:37 AM

I think we've seen with the GP that BMW?mini really dont give a stuff what us owners/potential customers think...

Paul · Jul 28th, 2006, 07:41 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Joogle

I think the whole issue with the exterior is that after all the rumors that they were going to take more cues from the Classic they have not really captured the front end styling. Looking at it again I think I am really going to miss the sidelights - that was part of the Mini's face that gave the car its character.

The sidelights are still low down in the bumper, sharing space with the (optional) fog lights.

AidenL · Jul 28th, 2006, 07:46 AM

If they don't care, I guess the only way is to vote with our feet.

Thing is, I don't think the R56 will sell as well if it looks ugly or disjointed. The GP sold on the strength of being a limited edition, and a relative bargain. The current car was bought by many people, for many varying reasons - I think one of them was that it was an appealing, coherent design - you could even call it 'cute' or 'smiley' from the front even, and that look appealed to a lot of people.

What does the R56 look like? As Laura said, Peugeot-like? Yep. Not a compliment that. I think its like an unfinished aero grille, that someone forgot to add the bottom section to?

It just looks wrong.

It makes me sad today, as a MINI fan, to hear myself saying that I couldn't contemplate buying one now - that grille is a deal breaker, the whole frontal look is actually.

If there isn't an alternative look, I wouldn't spend my hard earned cash on another MINI

And that statement DOES break my heart.

I love MINI, Laura · Jul 28th, 2006, 07:53 AM

I think its awful too. I'm with Aiden and its one of the things that I don't like and is putting me off the whole car. I really like the pics of the Cooper S that someone has replaced the black grille for a chrome slat one, thats much nicer. I really like the back end though.

I suppose I can just approach my new MINI from behind all the time! Would that work?

Tonyt3 · Jul 28th, 2006, 08:43 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by AidenL

If they don't care, I guess the only way is to vote with our feet.

Thing is, I don't think the R56 will sell as well if it looks ugly or disjointed. The GP sold on the strength of being a limited edition, and a relative bargain. The current car was bought by many people, for many varying reasons - I think one of them was that it was an appealing, coherent design - you could even call it 'cute' or 'smiley' from the front even, and that look appealed to a lot of people.

What does the R56 look like? As Laura said, Peugeot-like? Yep. Not a compliment that. I think its like an unfinished aero grille, that someone forgot to add the bottom section to?

It just looks wrong.

It makes me sad today, as a MINI fan, to hear myself saying that I couldn't contemplate buying one now - that grille is a deal breaker, the whole frontal look is actually.

If there isn't an alternative look, I wouldn't spend my hard earned cash on another MINI

And that statement DOES break my heart.

I think you've summed up quite well there Aiden. There seems to be a design overlap with the latest small euro hatchbacks of having the dopey 'smile' on the bottom bumper of cars. Whilst it works on some cars, it seems to make the Mini look a little dorky. I think that the previous facelift introduced this look, but the car still had enough strong design elements on the front end to get away with it.... however, from what I've seen of the new car, it makes the face of the car look too bland and gives the car an almost "in-bred pretty cousin with nothing going on behind her eyes" look...

I know what I'm talking about, after all, I'm from Wales...

minicabrio · Jul 28th, 2006, 09:00 AM

I must be the only person that actaully likes the front of the new one.

I like the chrome accent around the mesh grille, I like the headlights, I like the front bumper.

There will always be an option to change to something else, it won't be long before an aero kit appears, and I'm sure you could have a painted slatted grille.

EDIT: Just realised im not the only one, as there is a poll... wooohoo

Paul · Jul 28th, 2006, 09:12 AM

I like it, but don't love it. I've spent hours looking at the thing though, in the metal and even more in photos/videos, so I could just be being brain washed!

Tonyt3 · Jul 28th, 2006, 09:38 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett

I like it, but don't love it. I've spent hours looking at the thing though, in the metal and even more in photos/videos, so I could just be being brain washed!

Yes, this syndrome is known as "I married a plain girl but now I think she's pretty".....

same happened with the GP. Most people were dissapointed. But over the months, despite the fact that nothing visually changed on the car, peoples opinion changed to the point that folks who swore they wouldnt buy one are now taking delivery. The look of the GP grew on me over the months, almost to the point of jealousy that i can now not order one....

how strange we are.

AidenL · Jul 28th, 2006, 10:05 AM

Funny , the GP is appealing more to me today too

Maybe 'that' grille will grow on me then over the next few months............but I doubt it

View Poll Results: The new grille - love it, hate it, or indifferent to it?
Hate it, looks awful, what were they thinking?	32	55.17%
Love it, its a fresh look.........	10	17.24%
Don't mind, seems OK really..........	16	27.59%
Voters: 58. You may not vote on this poll

Jul 27th, 2006, 05:40 PM	#1
AidenL Nice TTs......... Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: On The Coast........ Local Time: 04:26 PM Posts: 42,173 Offline	That Front Grille - What Were They Thinking? I have to say I hate it Its the one big thing that is turning me off the new car - I can't understand why a designer would cut the botton off the grille and give us a trout pouted , fishy looking grille - the honeycomb version on the S is the worst looking version of all as well. It is the one aspect of the new car which might convince me not to buy one sadly - but as its a significant feature, its one we can hardly ignore - what are your thoughts? *Global Moderator*

Jul 27th, 2006, 05:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
minisoopercooper Some have THICK skins!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bristol Local Time: 04:26 PM Posts: 20,669 Online	will be interesting to see if they drop the slats completly or if the offer a chrome version of the honeycomb. If they are all honeycomb then what the hell will the aero kit have cant wait for that! ↑↑↑ - Click me for the event of the year. - ↑↑↑

Jul 27th, 2006, 06:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
Rakey Four Candles? My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hardware Shop Local Time: 04:26 PM Posts: 51,131 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by minisoopercooper will be interesting to see if they drop the slats completly or if the offer a chrome version of the honeycomb. If they are all honeycomb then what the hell will the aero kit have cant wait for that! there will be a slat version, but apparently this honeycomb thing is the planed MCS grill I'm with you Aiden, it looks cheap, it doesn't look MINI/mini, and the shape, well it looks to end too soon. I don't like the way the lower section of the bumper seems to flow into the upper grill, this looks too much like Audi to me, and they should both be seperate like the current flow of the MCS. If I can't change this part or it doesn't change from now to production, I am with you, it will put me off buying it The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?
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Jul 27th, 2006, 06:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
rawk MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 11:26 AM Posts: 438 Offline	I have to agree, I'm not feeling good about what I'm seeing today...I miss Frank Stephenson and apparently so does MINI. ...now if I could only get that Rabbit commercial tune outta my head... ...or maybe I just didn't understand the question...

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Jul 27th, 2006, 06:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 08:26 AM Posts: 8,652 Online	From the Press Release ... Quote: Evolution in exterior design, revolution in the cockpit. The exterior ... 60mm extra length, a bonnet with a non-functional scoop and without headlights that can "search the heavens" ... perhaps I could live with it. But the interior ... it's REVOLTING

Jul 27th, 2006, 06:47 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tonyt3 Track addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hants Local Time: 04:26 PM Posts: 6,260 Offline	She likes it...

Jul 27th, 2006, 06:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
Rakey Four Candles? My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hardware Shop Local Time: 04:26 PM Posts: 51,131 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by rawk I have to agree, I'm not feeling good about what I'm seeing today...I miss Frank Stephenson and apparently so does MINI. ...now if I could only get that Rabbit commercial tune outta my head... Rabbit tune? Perhaps you should get a job at MINI Craig, I know you have impressed many with your work, and would keep the design true to its origins The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

Jul 27th, 2006, 09:45 PM	#8 (permalink)
Joogle MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2006 Location: Midlands Local Time: 04:26 PM Posts: 915 Offline	What happened to the rumored old style grilles? would love to see it with an old Morris style grille....... Generally I like the car - but the grille is a major turnoff, In classic Mini terms the black plastic grille was kept for the bottom of the range models..........

Jul 27th, 2006, 09:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
Rakey Four Candles? My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hardware Shop Local Time: 04:26 PM Posts: 51,131 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Joogle What happened to the rumored old style grilles? would love to see it with an old Morris style grille....... Generally I like the car - but the grille is a major turnoff, In classic Mini terms the black plastic grille was kept for the bottom of the range models.......... my thoughts too, the grill might suit a mini city, but not a MCS I'd love to see a classic style wavey grill on a new MINI The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

Jul 27th, 2006, 10:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
Joogle MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2006 Location: Midlands Local Time: 04:26 PM Posts: 915 Offline	I think the whole issue with the exterior is that after all the rumors that they were going to take more cues from the Classic they have not really captured the front end styling. Looking at it again I think I am really going to miss the sidelights - that was part of the Mini's face that gave the car its character.

Jul 27th, 2006, 10:04 PM	#11 (permalink)
laura f off out.... My Classifieds Join Date: May 2004 Location: Northern Mini Local Time: 04:26 PM Posts: 19,955 Offline	I just hope they change the front grille, as you say it looks cheap, doesn't suit the car and is way off the mark in terms of heritage I would hope somebody somewhere is scribbling away redesigning it, either aftermarket or from MINI It really looks a bit Peugeot like to me aka wide mouth frog \| My Gallery \| My Flickr \|

Jul 28th, 2006, 07:37 AM	#12 (permalink)
Tonyt3 Track addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hants Local Time: 04:26 PM Posts: 6,260 Offline	I think we've seen with the GP that BMW?mini really dont give a stuff what us owners/potential customers think...

Jul 28th, 2006, 07:41 AM	#13 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 04:26 PM Posts: 41,218 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by Joogle I think the whole issue with the exterior is that after all the rumors that they were going to take more cues from the Classic they have not really captured the front end styling. Looking at it again I think I am really going to miss the sidelights - that was part of the Mini's face that gave the car its character. The sidelights are still low down in the bumper, sharing space with the (optional) fog lights. There aint no party like my nana's tea party

Jul 28th, 2006, 07:46 AM	#14 (permalink)
AidenL Nice TTs......... Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: On The Coast........ Local Time: 04:26 PM Posts: 42,173 Offline	If they don't care, I guess the only way is to vote with our feet. Thing is, I don't think the R56 will sell as well if it looks ugly or disjointed. The GP sold on the strength of being a limited edition, and a relative bargain. The current car was bought by many people, for many varying reasons - I think one of them was that it was an appealing, coherent design - you could even call it 'cute' or 'smiley' from the front even, and that look appealed to a lot of people. What does the R56 look like? As Laura said, Peugeot-like? Yep. Not a compliment that. I think its like an unfinished aero grille, that someone forgot to add the bottom section to? It just looks wrong. It makes me sad today, as a MINI fan, to hear myself saying that I couldn't contemplate buying one now - that grille is a deal breaker, the whole frontal look is actually. If there isn't an alternative look, I wouldn't spend my hard earned cash on another MINI And that statement DOES break my heart. *Global Moderator*

Jul 28th, 2006, 07:53 AM	#15 (permalink)
I love MINI, Laura MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Portsmouth,Hampshire Local Time: 04:26 PM Posts: 3,327 Offline	I think its awful too. I'm with Aiden and its one of the things that I don't like and is putting me off the whole car. I really like the pics of the Cooper S that someone has replaced the black grille for a chrome slat one, thats much nicer. I really like the back end though. I suppose I can just approach my new MINI from behind all the time! Would that work?

Jul 28th, 2006, 08:43 AM	#16 (permalink)
Tonyt3 Track addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hants Local Time: 04:26 PM Posts: 6,260 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by AidenL If they don't care, I guess the only way is to vote with our feet. Thing is, I don't think the R56 will sell as well if it looks ugly or disjointed. The GP sold on the strength of being a limited edition, and a relative bargain. The current car was bought by many people, for many varying reasons - I think one of them was that it was an appealing, coherent design - you could even call it 'cute' or 'smiley' from the front even, and that look appealed to a lot of people. What does the R56 look like? As Laura said, Peugeot-like? Yep. Not a compliment that. I think its like an unfinished aero grille, that someone forgot to add the bottom section to? It just looks wrong. It makes me sad today, as a MINI fan, to hear myself saying that I couldn't contemplate buying one now - that grille is a deal breaker, the whole frontal look is actually. If there isn't an alternative look, I wouldn't spend my hard earned cash on another MINI And that statement DOES break my heart. I think you've summed up quite well there Aiden. There seems to be a design overlap with the latest small euro hatchbacks of having the dopey 'smile' on the bottom bumper of cars. Whilst it works on some cars, it seems to make the Mini look a little dorky. I think that the previous facelift introduced this look, but the car still had enough strong design elements on the front end to get away with it.... however, from what I've seen of the new car, it makes the face of the car look too bland and gives the car an almost "in-bred pretty cousin with nothing going on behind her eyes" look... I know what I'm talking about, after all, I'm from Wales...

Jul 28th, 2006, 09:00 AM	#17 (permalink)
minicabrio sick note Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampshire Local Time: 04:26 PM Posts: 15,710 Offline	I must be the only person that actaully likes the front of the new one. I like the chrome accent around the mesh grille, I like the headlights, I like the front bumper. There will always be an option to change to something else, it won't be long before an aero kit appears, and I'm sure you could have a painted slatted grille. EDIT: Just realised im not the only one, as there is a poll... wooohoo

Jul 28th, 2006, 09:12 AM	#18 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 04:26 PM Posts: 41,218 Online	I like it, but don't love it. I've spent hours looking at the thing though, in the metal and even more in photos/videos, so I could just be being brain washed! There aint no party like my nana's tea party

Jul 28th, 2006, 09:38 AM	#19 (permalink)
Tonyt3 Track addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hants Local Time: 04:26 PM Posts: 6,260 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett I like it, but don't love it. I've spent hours looking at the thing though, in the metal and even more in photos/videos, so I could just be being brain washed! Yes, this syndrome is known as "I married a plain girl but now I think she's pretty"..... same happened with the GP. Most people were dissapointed. But over the months, despite the fact that nothing visually changed on the car, peoples opinion changed to the point that folks who swore they wouldnt buy one are now taking delivery. The look of the GP grew on me over the months, almost to the point of jealousy that i can now not order one.... how strange we are.

Jul 28th, 2006, 10:05 AM	#20 (permalink)
AidenL Nice TTs......... Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: On The Coast........ Local Time: 04:26 PM Posts: 42,173 Offline	Funny , the GP is appealing more to me today too Maybe 'that' grille will grow on me then over the next few months............but I doubt it *Global Moderator*

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