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Minis4ever · Jul 28th, 2006, 09:21 PM

If the planned introduction for the JCW is October 2007 how far along in development would they be at this point? What role if any will Mike Cooper's group have in the engine development?

Tonyt3 · Jul 29th, 2006, 12:17 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Minis4ever

If the planned introduction for the JCW is October 2007 how far along in development would they be at this point? What role if any will Mike Cooper's group have in the engine development?

John Cooper Garages closed its doors today for all time. I doubt if there is to be any real involvement in the car from here on forward, except perhaps for Mike Cooper being wheeled out to meet a greet and smile his smile at PR events.

Minis4ever · Jul 29th, 2006, 01:38 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3

John Cooper Garages closed its doors today for all time. I doubt if there is to be any real involvement in the car from here on forward, except perhaps for Mike Cooper being wheeled out to meet a greet and smile his smile at PR events.

I see they still have their website up, too bad they are closing a lot of history coming to an end. In any event back to my other question where do you think are in engine development for the Works MINI? Do you think they will carry over some of the current JCW upgrades like brakes and suspensions?

Paul · Jul 29th, 2006, 08:44 AM

Prototypes of the car are being driven in various states of tune, as far as I know.

Tonyt3 · Jul 29th, 2006, 09:34 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Minis4ever

I see they still have their website up, too bad they are closing a lot of history coming to an end. In any event back to my other question where do you think are in engine development for the Works MINI? Do you think they will carry over some of the current JCW upgrades like brakes and suspensions?

yes, i wouldnt be surprised if the Works car becomes a distinct model, with all these bits added. I also wouldnt be surprised if the whole 'dealer fit' option to retro fit stops happening.

If they are going to pump the turbo engine up from 170 to around a hopeful 230 bhp, then a lot of internal work would need to happen for warranty purposes. So I would guess that the Works will be quite different, in similar ways that the current model Cooper angine id differnt from the Cooper S. We all know you cant just add the supercharger tot he current car.

no real idea what they will be doing to the car to get this extra performance though...

Prowse · Jul 29th, 2006, 10:36 AM

Seeing as we're using the same engines as Peugeot, perhaps the performance models (JCW/M-series/whatever-they-call-it) will have the 2.0L engine to be fitted in the Peugeot-207-Cup/Super 2000 model, that can kick out 280 BHP?

mckeg4 · Jul 29th, 2006, 01:00 PM

Hi there,

I have a 06 plate Cooper S and was hoping to get the engine reworked to JCW will I still be able to get this done at the BMW dealer or not as I want it done but under warrenty, Please help

Cheers

HT

Tonyt3 · Jul 29th, 2006, 01:15 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by mckeg4

Hi there,

I have a 06 plate Cooper S and was hoping to get the engine reworked to JCW will I still be able to get this done at the BMW dealer or not as I want it done but under warrenty, Please help

Cheers

HT

yes, that shouldnt be a problem, but i wouldnt hang around getting it done. JCW will still be selling kits from their 'shop', they just wont be able to fit them anymore...

CoolJamJar · Aug 1st, 2006, 06:54 PM

Apparently BMW is serious this time. Not that the current JCW isn’t fast, but it’s clear that BMW will need more power if they are to position the MCS JCW against such cars as the new VW GTI or Civic Si.
So first on the agenda will be the launching the next generation JCW MCS with around 225-230bhp in late 2007 as a 2008 model.
http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/31/s...-jcw-cooper-s/

Paul · Aug 1st, 2006, 07:08 PM

Yes, from Jan this year:

"But the one question this has given rise to again and again with MINI enthusiasts has been, "I like it, but what about the next generation S works?". So enough pondering, MINI2 has gathered information from numerous sources and here's a little taster of what's to come for you.

Before we approach the "what?", we'll address the "when?". We believe that the range topping Cooper S Works will arrive, at the earliest, in the Autumn of 2007. So if you're tempted by a GP, it could be more than a year from the GP's arrival that the next generation Works tempts you away, and if you're just waiting, put your feet up and relax a while.

We've heard a few different murmurs about the Works S, but it's certain the car will pack more of a punch than the current Works, but not a massive amount more. The engine will weigh in with just over 220 bhp, and in the region 205 lb/ft of torque. The car will feature many unique components, and not just engine components, but trim and bodywork details, including a revised front end to improve cooling and general efficiency. Due to the large number of modifications this car will feature, it is highly unlikely the next generation Works will be available as a dealer conversion, but IF it does become available via the dealer, expect to pay a large mark up compared to the factory Works."

http://www.mini2.com/article344-excl...-cooper-s.html

russ.mackay · Aug 2nd, 2006, 02:30 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3

John Cooper Garages closed its doors today for all time. I doubt if there is to be any real involvement in the car from here on forward, except perhaps for Mike Cooper being wheeled out to meet a greet and smile his smile at PR events.

I thought they were only closing the shop but still working with BMW to produce the Works kit?

http://mini2.com/article376-mini2-sp...per-works.html

Joogle · Aug 4th, 2006, 06:22 PM

Any indication that they may produce a new model GP yet? I know this is a bit quick off the mark now that people are only just taking delivery of the current GP but do you think the GP concept will get carried over to the new model? I cannot see why not, and I have to admit I would like to see what they could do....... (Just offer us a few more colour options please Mini......)

Paul · Aug 4th, 2006, 06:24 PM

Steady on there chap!

LMB · Aug 4th, 2006, 06:33 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Joogle

Any indication that they may produce a new model GP yet? I know this is a bit quick off the mark now that people are only just taking delivery of the current GP but do you think the GP concept will get carried over to the new model? I cannot see why not, and I have to admit I would like to see what they could do....... (Just offer us a few more colour options please Mini......)

If there is it'll not be for many years.

Joogle · Aug 4th, 2006, 06:55 PM

Got to admit it would be nice to have the GP as the regular end of model 'event'.

Tone · Aug 23rd, 2006, 12:53 PM

Bump

Jul 28th, 2006, 09:21 PM	#1
Minis4ever MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2005 Local Time: 03:01 AM Posts: 30 Offline	2008 Jcw If the planned introduction for the JCW is October 2007 how far along in development would they be at this point? What role if any will Mike Cooper's group have in the engine development?

Jul 29th, 2006, 08:44 AM	#4 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Big grey box Local Time: 03:01 AM Posts: 40,514 Offline	Prototypes of the car are being driven in various states of tune, as far as I know. Trained Monkeys

Aug 1st, 2006, 06:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
CoolJamJar DON'T PANIC! My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Oran Park, Sydney Local Time: 02:01 PM Posts: 887 Offline	New JCW to have 230+hp?? Apparently BMW is serious this time. Not that the current JCW isn’t fast, but it’s clear that BMW will need more power if they are to position the MCS JCW against such cars as the new VW GTI or Civic Si. So first on the agenda will be the launching the next generation JCW MCS with around 225-230bhp in late 2007 as a 2008 model. http://motoringfile.com/2006/07/31/s...-jcw-cooper-s/

Aug 1st, 2006, 07:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Big grey box Local Time: 03:01 AM Posts: 40,514 Offline	Yes, from Jan this year: "But the one question this has given rise to again and again with MINI enthusiasts has been, "I like it, but what about the next generation S works?". So enough pondering, MINI2 has gathered information from numerous sources and here's a little taster of what's to come for you. Before we approach the "what?", we'll address the "when?". We believe that the range topping Cooper S Works will arrive, at the earliest, in the Autumn of 2007. So if you're tempted by a GP, it could be more than a year from the GP's arrival that the next generation Works tempts you away, and if you're just waiting, put your feet up and relax a while. We've heard a few different murmurs about the Works S, but it's certain the car will pack more of a punch than the current Works, but not a massive amount more. The engine will weigh in with just over 220 bhp, and in the region 205 lb/ft of torque. The car will feature many unique components, and not just engine components, but trim and bodywork details, including a revised front end to improve cooling and general efficiency. Due to the large number of modifications this car will feature, it is highly unlikely the next generation Works will be available as a dealer conversion, but IF it does become available via the dealer, expect to pay a large mark up compared to the factory Works." http://www.mini2.com/article344-excl...-cooper-s.html Trained Monkeys

Aug 2nd, 2006, 02:30 PM	#11 (permalink)
russ.mackay MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: La La Land Local Time: 03:01 AM Posts: 259 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3 John Cooper Garages closed its doors today for all time. I doubt if there is to be any real involvement in the car from here on forward, except perhaps for Mike Cooper being wheeled out to meet a greet and smile his smile at PR events. I thought they were only closing the shop but still working with BMW to produce the Works kit? http://mini2.com/article376-mini2-sp...per-works.html HBB MCS

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Jul 29th, 2006, 12:17 AM	#2 (permalink)
Tonyt3 Track addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hants Local Time: 03:01 AM Posts: 6,010 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Minis4ever If the planned introduction for the JCW is October 2007 how far along in development would they be at this point? What role if any will Mike Cooper's group have in the engine development? John Cooper Garages closed its doors today for all time. I doubt if there is to be any real involvement in the car from here on forward, except perhaps for Mike Cooper being wheeled out to meet a greet and smile his smile at PR events.

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:38 AM	#3 (permalink)
Minis4ever MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2005 Local Time: 03:01 AM Posts: 30 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3 John Cooper Garages closed its doors today for all time. I doubt if there is to be any real involvement in the car from here on forward, except perhaps for Mike Cooper being wheeled out to meet a greet and smile his smile at PR events. I see they still have their website up, too bad they are closing a lot of history coming to an end. In any event back to my other question where do you think are in engine development for the Works MINI? Do you think they will carry over some of the current JCW upgrades like brakes and suspensions?

Jul 29th, 2006, 09:34 AM	#5 (permalink)
Tonyt3 Track addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hants Local Time: 03:01 AM Posts: 6,010 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Minis4ever I see they still have their website up, too bad they are closing a lot of history coming to an end. In any event back to my other question where do you think are in engine development for the Works MINI? Do you think they will carry over some of the current JCW upgrades like brakes and suspensions? yes, i wouldnt be surprised if the Works car becomes a distinct model, with all these bits added. I also wouldnt be surprised if the whole 'dealer fit' option to retro fit stops happening. If they are going to pump the turbo engine up from 170 to around a hopeful 230 bhp, then a lot of internal work would need to happen for warranty purposes. So I would guess that the Works will be quite different, in similar ways that the current model Cooper angine id differnt from the Cooper S. We all know you cant just add the supercharger tot he current car. no real idea what they will be doing to the car to get this extra performance though...

Jul 29th, 2006, 10:36 AM	#6 (permalink)
Prowse MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Lancs Local Time: 03:01 AM Posts: 1,567 Offline	Seeing as we're using the same engines as Peugeot, perhaps the performance models (JCW/M-series/whatever-they-call-it) will have the 2.0L engine to be fitted in the Peugeot-207-Cup/Super 2000 model, that can kick out 280 BHP?

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:00 PM	#7 (permalink)
mckeg4 Hightower My Classifieds Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Aberdeenshire Local Time: 03:01 AM Posts: 38 Offline	Hi there, I have a 06 plate Cooper S and was hoping to get the engine reworked to JCW will I still be able to get this done at the BMW dealer or not as I want it done but under warrenty, Please help Cheers HT

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
Tonyt3 Track addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hants Local Time: 03:01 AM Posts: 6,010 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by mckeg4 Hi there, I have a 06 plate Cooper S and was hoping to get the engine reworked to JCW will I still be able to get this done at the BMW dealer or not as I want it done but under warrenty, Please help Cheers HT yes, that shouldnt be a problem, but i wouldnt hang around getting it done. JCW will still be selling kits from their 'shop', they just wont be able to fit them anymore...

Aug 4th, 2006, 06:22 PM	#12 (permalink)
Joogle MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2006 Location: Midlands Local Time: 04:01 AM Posts: 924 Offline	Any indication that they may produce a new model GP yet? I know this is a bit quick off the mark now that people are only just taking delivery of the current GP but do you think the GP concept will get carried over to the new model? I cannot see why not, and I have to admit I would like to see what they could do....... (Just offer us a few more colour options please Mini......)

Aug 4th, 2006, 06:24 PM	#13 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Big grey box Local Time: 03:01 AM Posts: 40,514 Offline	Steady on there chap! Trained Monkeys

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LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 03:01 AM Posts: 23,749 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Joogle Any indication that they may produce a new model GP yet? I know this is a bit quick off the mark now that people are only just taking delivery of the current GP but do you think the GP concept will get carried over to the new model? I cannot see why not, and I have to admit I would like to see what they could do....... (Just offer us a few more colour options please Mini......) If there is it'll not be for many years. Global Moderator

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Aug 4th, 2006, 06:55 PM	#15 (permalink)
Joogle MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2006 Location: Midlands Local Time: 04:01 AM Posts: 924 Offline	Got to admit it would be nice to have the GP as the regular end of model 'event'.

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