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cleverzippy · Aug 4th, 2006, 11:48 AM

Does anyone else think that rear stabiliser bar on the rear suspension looks daft. Is it staying for production? Looks like someone bolted on a piece of angle iron as a last minute thought. Just think is makes the back end of the car look awful. And then there's the front....

Tigger, Eeyore & Roo · Aug 4th, 2006, 11:55 AM

Has anyone done a proper comparison between the specification of the old and new suspension systems? There was certainly talk, several months ago, of it being simplified to make it cheaper to build.

Has it been improved? Has it been subject to cost cutting?

I've got to agree, it doesn't look right though.

Come to think of it, where is the new gearbox being sourced? Is it Getrag again? Is it Peugeot/Citroen?

Tigger.

Olly. · Aug 4th, 2006, 03:17 PM

I believe it is a Getrag gearbox again Tigger, i'll try and track some definite info down

timp7748 · Aug 5th, 2006, 04:52 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tigger, Eeyore & Roo

Has anyone done a proper comparison between the specification of the old and new suspension systems? There was certainly talk, several months ago, of it being simplified to make it cheaper to build.

Has it been improved? Has it been subject to cost cutting?

Tigger.

This is something which cheeses me off. All these modifications to make the new car cheaper to build... then they increase the prices of the new model!!!!

I ain't swapping mine for it!!

Paul · Aug 5th, 2006, 06:44 PM

It does look odd when you're behind a load of the S and you can see a load of silencers and suspension systems looking back at you. I guess it's in part to the new shiny material, the lack of twin silencers "hiding" them, and the rear bumper appears to finish higher (if it does or not don't know).

Prowse · Aug 6th, 2006, 11:30 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by timp7748

.... All these modifications to make the new car cheaper to build...

As far as I'm aware, this was one of the main driving forces for the change of model, apparently the 'original' 01-03 MINI's used to cost nearly as much as a 3-series to manufacture, then they had to sell them as a lower price. This left very little proffit for BMW and the dealers. Probably one of the reasons why there is a 'no discounts' policy on buying a MINI.

cristo · Aug 6th, 2006, 11:33 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by cleverzippy

Does anyone else think that rear stabiliser bar on the rear suspension looks daft. Is it staying for production? Looks like someone bolted on a piece of angle iron as a last minute thought. Just think is makes the back end of the car look awful. And then there's the front....

Where's a pic of the new bar....not sure I've seen it yet.

Olly. · Aug 6th, 2006, 11:53 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by cristo

Where's a pic of the new bar....not sure I've seen it yet.

This is about the best pic I could find of it

cristo · Aug 6th, 2006, 01:15 PM

looks pretty similar to the old one to me,
it should do what it's supposed to do.

Wooly · Aug 6th, 2006, 04:00 PM

You get them on the current minis too. as i said somewhere else, i wish theyd get a splitter or lower bumper to cover it all up

UKC4 · Aug 6th, 2006, 07:21 PM

Do we know the prices of the new model at all?

When the turbo S comes on to the market I can see it selling for just short of 18-19k sounds high but lets face it, it's likely.
If the price is around this figure, would it put anyone off the new model? or would you struggle along and be completely skint so you can afford the new S prices?

on the other hand will the prices stay the same or drop, because it's got peugoet/citreon links?

No doubt the options list will get hiked up as well, I'm worried when it comes to getting a new car that I wont be able to move up to a S (New one that is) because of the price.

Paul · Aug 6th, 2006, 08:06 PM

Trust me, in "person" it looks very different to the current model from behind, it looks much higher/more exposed underneath from behind.

Wooly · Aug 6th, 2006, 10:15 PM

so is that a good thing or a bad thing??

i personally cannot stand the sight of raw metal.

Quote:

When the turbo S comes on to the market I can see it selling for just short of 18-19k sounds high but lets face it, it's likely.
If the price is around this figure, would it put anyone off the new model? or would you struggle along and be completely skint so you can afford the new S prices?

i was looking in auto trader earlier, you can get a 02 tuscan low mileage for 16 grand

19grand is VERY high. but the golf gti is even higher isnt it, similar performance but i think the vdub has better build quality to it

Paul · Aug 6th, 2006, 10:28 PM

Didn't look right to me. Too much on show, and it's not pretty stuff.

cleverzippy · Aug 7th, 2006, 09:45 AM

I can't believe that it's going to cost that much. If it does then that's no longer in the same category as the competition, most of which are cheaper and have more power. For that money I'd rather have a Golf GTi even a year old one. Don't get me wrong, I love my Mini but I've driven a GTi several times now and I reckon it's cracking car and has nearly tempted me away from Mini ownership a few times.

Wooly · Aug 7th, 2006, 01:15 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett

Didn't look right to me. Too much on show, and it's not pretty stuff.

is the exposed back enough to put you off buying a mini, i have to say its not appealing to me much now.

i can just about put up with the back of the current one because it drives so well, but the new one just looks so high and raw. it reminds me of old cars where the exhaust flicks up and you can see everything.

is there any chance that, that bumper is not the final production one??

Paul · Aug 7th, 2006, 01:21 PM

That's it in terms of "exposure" at the rear I'd say, can't see them modifying the rear bumper or undertray much at this stage.

It wouldn't put me off, I like it a lot from other angles, and behind the wheel was/is great.

Hat · Aug 7th, 2006, 01:23 PM

i dare say once everything has got a coat of dirt on it it'll stand out less.

Olly. · Aug 7th, 2006, 06:08 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by cleverzippy

I can't believe that it's going to cost that much.

Prices haven't been announced yet, so I think the 19K price is speculation at the moment.

I would be very suprised if the price went up that much

Goonery · Aug 7th, 2006, 06:13 PM

The rear suspension on the GP is the new R56 suspension. if anyone wants a closer look

Aug 4th, 2006, 11:48 AM	#1
cleverzippy MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kettering, Northants Local Time: 10:10 AM Posts: 185 Offline	Ridiculous looking stabiliser bar? Does anyone else think that rear stabiliser bar on the rear suspension looks daft. Is it staying for production? Looks like someone bolted on a piece of angle iron as a last minute thought. Just think is makes the back end of the car look awful. And then there's the front....

Aug 4th, 2006, 11:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
Tigger, Eeyore & Roo May '08: Bye bye Mini2... My Classifieds Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kernow, near England Local Time: 10:10 AM Posts: 4,512 Offline	Has anyone done a proper comparison between the specification of the old and new suspension systems? There was certainly talk, several months ago, of it being simplified to make it cheaper to build. Has it been improved? Has it been subject to cost cutting? I've got to agree, it doesn't look right though. Come to think of it, where is the new gearbox being sourced? Is it Getrag again? Is it Peugeot/Citroen? Tigger. May 08: Thanks to all of my friends on Mini2 for a lot of great times over the last 4 years. In future I can always be contacted here!

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Olly. Overboosting..... Join Date: Sep 2003 Local Time: 10:10 AM Posts: 3,492 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by cristo Where's a pic of the new bar....not sure I've seen it yet. This is about the best pic I could find of it Last edited by MINIAC : Aug 6th, 2006 at 02:18 PM. Reason: Make images clickable thumbnails

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Aug 4th, 2006, 03:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
Olly. Overboosting..... Join Date: Sep 2003 Local Time: 10:10 AM Posts: 3,492 Offline	I believe it is a Getrag gearbox again Tigger, i'll try and track some definite info down

Aug 5th, 2006, 04:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
timp7748 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cornwall Local Time: 09:10 AM Posts: 75 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Tigger, Eeyore & Roo Has anyone done a proper comparison between the specification of the old and new suspension systems? There was certainly talk, several months ago, of it being simplified to make it cheaper to build. Has it been improved? Has it been subject to cost cutting? Tigger. This is something which cheeses me off. All these modifications to make the new car cheaper to build... then they increase the prices of the new model!!!! I ain't swapping mine for it!!

Aug 5th, 2006, 06:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 10:10 AM Posts: 40,553 Offline	It does look odd when you're behind a load of the S and you can see a load of silencers and suspension systems looking back at you. I guess it's in part to the new shiny material, the lack of twin silencers "hiding" them, and the rear bumper appears to finish higher (if it does or not don't know).

Aug 6th, 2006, 11:30 AM	#6 (permalink)
Prowse MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Lancs Local Time: 10:10 AM Posts: 1,495 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by timp7748 .... All these modifications to make the new car cheaper to build... As far as I'm aware, this was one of the main driving forces for the change of model, apparently the 'original' 01-03 MINI's used to cost nearly as much as a 3-series to manufacture, then they had to sell them as a lower price. This left very little proffit for BMW and the dealers. Probably one of the reasons why there is a 'no discounts' policy on buying a MINI.

Aug 6th, 2006, 11:33 AM	#7 (permalink)
cristo BLIKSEM (my brg/brg mc) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: york, pennsylvania Local Time: 05:10 AM Posts: 2,198 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by cleverzippy Does anyone else think that rear stabiliser bar on the rear suspension looks daft. Is it staying for production? Looks like someone bolted on a piece of angle iron as a last minute thought. Just think is makes the back end of the car look awful. And then there's the front.... Where's a pic of the new bar....not sure I've seen it yet.

Aug 6th, 2006, 01:15 PM	#9 (permalink)
cristo BLIKSEM (my brg/brg mc) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: york, pennsylvania Local Time: 05:10 AM Posts: 2,198 Offline	looks pretty similar to the old one to me, it should do what it's supposed to do.

Aug 6th, 2006, 04:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
Wooly Mad fer it Join Date: Aug 2005 Local Time: 10:10 AM Posts: 1,053 Offline	You get them on the current minis too. as i said somewhere else, i wish theyd get a splitter or lower bumper to cover it all up

Aug 6th, 2006, 07:21 PM	#11 (permalink)
UKC4 MINI2 Sex God & etc...... My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bradford Local Time: 10:10 AM Posts: 1,333 Offline	Do we know the prices of the new model at all? When the turbo S comes on to the market I can see it selling for just short of 18-19k sounds high but lets face it, it's likely. If the price is around this figure, would it put anyone off the new model? or would you struggle along and be completely skint so you can afford the new S prices? on the other hand will the prices stay the same or drop, because it's got peugoet/citreon links? No doubt the options list will get hiked up as well, I'm worried when it comes to getting a new car that I wont be able to move up to a S (New one that is) because of the price.

Aug 6th, 2006, 08:06 PM	#12 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 10:10 AM Posts: 40,553 Offline	Trust me, in "person" it looks very different to the current model from behind, it looks much higher/more exposed underneath from behind.

Aug 6th, 2006, 10:15 PM	#13 (permalink)
Wooly Mad fer it Join Date: Aug 2005 Local Time: 10:10 AM Posts: 1,053 Offline	so is that a good thing or a bad thing?? i personally cannot stand the sight of raw metal. Quote: When the turbo S comes on to the market I can see it selling for just short of 18-19k sounds high but lets face it, it's likely. If the price is around this figure, would it put anyone off the new model? or would you struggle along and be completely skint so you can afford the new S prices? i was looking in auto trader earlier, you can get a 02 tuscan low mileage for 16 grand 19grand is VERY high. but the golf gti is even higher isnt it, similar performance but i think the vdub has better build quality to it

Aug 6th, 2006, 10:28 PM	#14 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 10:10 AM Posts: 40,553 Offline	Didn't look right to me. Too much on show, and it's not pretty stuff.

Aug 7th, 2006, 09:45 AM	#15 (permalink)
cleverzippy MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kettering, Northants Local Time: 10:10 AM Posts: 185 Offline	I can't believe that it's going to cost that much. If it does then that's no longer in the same category as the competition, most of which are cheaper and have more power. For that money I'd rather have a Golf GTi even a year old one. Don't get me wrong, I love my Mini but I've driven a GTi several times now and I reckon it's cracking car and has nearly tempted me away from Mini ownership a few times.

Aug 7th, 2006, 01:15 PM	#16 (permalink)
Wooly Mad fer it Join Date: Aug 2005 Local Time: 10:10 AM Posts: 1,053 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett Didn't look right to me. Too much on show, and it's not pretty stuff. is the exposed back enough to put you off buying a mini, i have to say its not appealing to me much now. i can just about put up with the back of the current one because it drives so well, but the new one just looks so high and raw. it reminds me of old cars where the exhaust flicks up and you can see everything. is there any chance that, that bumper is not the final production one??

Aug 7th, 2006, 01:21 PM	#17 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 10:10 AM Posts: 40,553 Offline	That's it in terms of "exposure" at the rear I'd say, can't see them modifying the rear bumper or undertray much at this stage. It wouldn't put me off, I like it a lot from other angles, and behind the wheel was/is great.

Aug 7th, 2006, 01:23 PM	#18 (permalink)
Hat cook pass babtridge My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 10:10 AM Posts: 15,800 Offline	i dare say once everything has got a coat of dirt on it it'll stand out less.

Aug 7th, 2006, 06:08 PM	#19 (permalink)
Olly. Overboosting..... Join Date: Sep 2003 Local Time: 10:10 AM Posts: 3,492 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by cleverzippy I can't believe that it's going to cost that much. Prices haven't been announced yet, so I think the 19K price is speculation at the moment. I would be very suprised if the price went up that much

Aug 7th, 2006, 06:13 PM	#20 (permalink)
Goonery Time for CHANGE ! My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2003 Local Time: 10:10 AM Posts: 13,523 Offline	The rear suspension on the GP is the new R56 suspension. if anyone wants a closer look

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