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Wooly · Aug 15th, 2006, 11:02 PM

i dont get it
if it has more torque surely it should reach 0-60 quicker than the current one shouldnt it

Mooyer · Aug 15th, 2006, 11:28 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Wooly (original)

i dont get it
if it has more torque surely it should reach 0-60 quicker than the current one shouldnt it

Also gotta think about weight, gearing etc etc etc

R1 · Aug 16th, 2006, 12:14 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original)

Because John Cooper Works have closed their shop the new one wont be a "Proper Works"? They will have just as much to do with the development of the new car as the current one.

But will it carry the JCW badge though?

Hope not. It will make my JCW worth more in 5 years time......................if I ever sell it!

Paul · Aug 16th, 2006, 03:02 AM

Yes it will.

R1 · Aug 16th, 2006, 08:48 AM

Bugger!

Tonyt3 · Aug 16th, 2006, 09:36 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Wooly (original)

i dont get it
if it has more torque surely it should reach 0-60 quicker than the current one shouldnt it

The QE2's got more torque yet the Mini will beat it in a standing start over a mile....

BHP for top speed and acceleration, torque for ingear acceleration... No one wants to be dropping 2 cogs to over take these days... we just want a nice wide torque band to smoothly 'blow past'....

mcs · Aug 16th, 2006, 09:48 AM

did I hear Works 07

Hobbe · Aug 16th, 2006, 09:59 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by mcs (original)

did I hear Works 07

More please.

I might turn into a MINI nut again if the new MCS Works is what I hope it is.

R1 · Aug 16th, 2006, 10:58 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Wooly (original)

i dont get it
if it has more torque surely it should reach 0-60 quicker than the current one shouldnt it

They haven't got better fuel economy from nowhere!

salocin · Aug 16th, 2006, 08:39 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original)

Because John Cooper Works have closed their shop the new one wont be a "Proper Works"? They will have just as much to do with the development of the new car as the current one.

Sorry to bring this up again, I think I may have missed something. JCW have closed their shop so presumably will become advisor's to rather than constructors of Kit's in relation to BMW.

This surely means the GP is the last "proper" JCW, or have I totally missed the point here?

Paul · Aug 16th, 2006, 09:14 PM

I think you've missed the point. They've closed the shopfront/face to face retail operation, they will still do as much in terms of development and testing with BMW as before. This is the word from Mike Cooper himself.

Olly. · Aug 19th, 2006, 05:36 PM

Just been looking at the figures for the current Cooper S & Cooper S Works.

Looks like the extra torque of the new S really makes a difference for in gear acceleration

Current S

Acceleration 80-120 km/h (4th / 5th gear): 6.1 s / 7.7 s [n/a]³

Current S Works

Acceleration 80-120 km/h (4th / 5th / 6th gear): 5.4 s / 6.7 s / 8.9 s

New S

Acceleration 80-120 km/h (4th / 5th / 6th gear): 5.5 s / 7 s / 8 s

rubyredmz3 · Aug 21st, 2006, 08:43 PM

are those the same gear ratios for the old and new cars though? could be pretty deceiving info it they are not. . .

Olly. · Aug 21st, 2006, 10:15 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by rubyredmz3 (original)

are those the same gear ratios for the old and new cars though? could be pretty deceiving info it they are not. . .

Good point, I didn't think of that

I don't have any info on the gear ratios of the new model, so I can't compare old to new on those.

Aug 15th, 2006, 11:28 PM	#22 (permalink)
Mooyer MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Manchester, UK Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 372 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Wooly (original) i dont get it if it has more torque surely it should reach 0-60 quicker than the current one shouldnt it Also gotta think about weight, gearing etc etc etc "....you'd be getting a child from Albania.......you mean all white with pink eyes???....."

Aug 16th, 2006, 03:02 AM	#24 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Big grey box Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 40,514 Offline	Yes it will. Trained Monkeys

Aug 16th, 2006, 09:59 AM	#28 (permalink)
Hobbe Absolut MINI Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Stockholm Local Time: 05:34 AM Posts: 725 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by mcs (original) did I hear Works 07 More please. I might turn into a MINI nut again if the new MCS Works is what I hope it is. MCS WORKS GP 0120 WWW.BMWSC.COM

Aug 16th, 2006, 08:39 PM	#30 (permalink)
salocin GP 0904 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Stockbridge, Hants Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 357 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original) Because John Cooper Works have closed their shop the new one wont be a "Proper Works"? They will have just as much to do with the development of the new car as the current one. Sorry to bring this up again, I think I may have missed something. JCW have closed their shop so presumably will become advisor's to rather than constructors of Kit's in relation to BMW. This surely means the GP is the last "proper" JCW, or have I totally missed the point here? GP 0904

Aug 16th, 2006, 09:14 PM	#31 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Big grey box Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 40,514 Offline	I think you've missed the point. They've closed the shopfront/face to face retail operation, they will still do as much in terms of development and testing with BMW as before. This is the word from Mike Cooper himself. Trained Monkeys

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Aug 16th, 2006, 12:14 AM	#23 (permalink)
R1 Addicted to Speed!! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..."B" roads!! Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 4,866 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original) Because John Cooper Works have closed their shop the new one wont be a "Proper Works"? They will have just as much to do with the development of the new car as the current one. But will it carry the JCW badge though? Hope not. It will make my JCW worth more in 5 years time......................if I ever sell it!

Aug 16th, 2006, 08:48 AM	#25 (permalink)
R1 Addicted to Speed!! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..."B" roads!! Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 4,866 Offline	Bugger!

Aug 16th, 2006, 09:36 AM	#26 (permalink)
Tonyt3 Track addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hants Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 6,010 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Wooly (original) i dont get it if it has more torque surely it should reach 0-60 quicker than the current one shouldnt it The QE2's got more torque yet the Mini will beat it in a standing start over a mile.... BHP for top speed and acceleration, torque for ingear acceleration... No one wants to be dropping 2 cogs to over take these days... we just want a nice wide torque band to smoothly 'blow past'....

Aug 16th, 2006, 09:48 AM	#27 (permalink)
mcs MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: NRW Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 18 Offline	did I hear Works 07

Aug 16th, 2006, 10:58 AM	#29 (permalink)
R1 Addicted to Speed!! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..."B" roads!! Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 4,866 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Wooly (original) i dont get it if it has more torque surely it should reach 0-60 quicker than the current one shouldnt it They haven't got better fuel economy from nowhere!

Aug 19th, 2006, 05:36 PM	#32 (permalink)
Olly. Overboosting..... Join Date: Sep 2003 Local Time: 05:34 AM Posts: 3,458 Offline	Just been looking at the figures for the current Cooper S & Cooper S Works. Looks like the extra torque of the new S really makes a difference for in gear acceleration Current S Acceleration 80-120 km/h (4th / 5th gear): 6.1 s / 7.7 s [n/a]³ Current S Works Acceleration 80-120 km/h (4th / 5th / 6th gear): 5.4 s / 6.7 s / 8.9 s New S Acceleration 80-120 km/h (4th / 5th / 6th gear): 5.5 s / 7 s / 8 s

Aug 21st, 2006, 08:43 PM	#33 (permalink)
rubyredmz3 Mazda3 Visitor Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cary, NC Local Time: 12:34 AM Posts: 14 Offline	are those the same gear ratios for the old and new cars though? could be pretty deceiving info it they are not. . . Minis rule, but so do Mazda3's, thank goodness I'm running in H-stock now though (only gotta deal with the regular Coopers now). . .

Aug 21st, 2006, 10:15 PM	#34 (permalink)
Olly. Overboosting..... Join Date: Sep 2003 Local Time: 05:34 AM Posts: 3,458 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by rubyredmz3 (original) are those the same gear ratios for the old and new cars though? could be pretty deceiving info it they are not. . . Good point, I didn't think of that I don't have any info on the gear ratios of the new model, so I can't compare old to new on those.

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