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PaddyF · Aug 15th, 2006, 12:28 PM

Does anyone know whether the performance of the new s will be significantly different from the current one ? Currently debating whether to order old or new.

KPKalle · Aug 15th, 2006, 12:31 PM

Have you read the News items here http://www.mini2.com/news.html? Particularly the fourth

cleverzippy · Aug 15th, 2006, 12:34 PM

I would say that the performance of the new car will be considerably better. It's only 5bhp up on the old one but with 240Nm of torque from 1600rpm and more on overboost it's going to be much more civilised to drive and quicker from low rpm's. Like a turbodiesel but it'll still rev right round to 7000. I like the character of the supercharger but it feels sluggish at low rpm's. Plus the fuel economy's going to be way better than my MCSC which is costing me a fortune at 27mpg!

R1 · Aug 15th, 2006, 12:34 PM

I don't think any performance gains, looking at the figures, will be very noticable on the road. It just won't sound as good!

MPG should be better though. You wan't to try owning a Works!!

Paul · Aug 15th, 2006, 01:10 PM

2nd Generation S: MINI Cooper S Technical Specifications
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Compare and contrast.

Tonyt3 · Aug 15th, 2006, 01:29 PM

With that extra torque, the car will be much more easy to drive fast, and should pull really well from low down. However, actual speeds wont vary much. Overtaking will be particularly good even on a standard car, much more like a supercharged car thats been tuned.

The current Cooper S in standard form can be a bit of a slug at certain speeds/gears.

Root Ginger · Aug 15th, 2006, 01:46 PM

Paul, I think there is a problem with the vehicle widths on one of those threads.

Paul · Aug 15th, 2006, 01:49 PM

One is with wing mirrors, one is without. But those are the figures provided.

Root Ginger · Aug 15th, 2006, 01:53 PM

Ah, that explains it.

R1 · Aug 15th, 2006, 03:12 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3 (original)

The current Cooper S in standard form can be a bit of a slug at certain speeds/gears.

Which is why I always stand by my statement the Works S was what the standard S should have been.

Tonyt3 · Aug 15th, 2006, 03:39 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by R1 (original)

Which is why I always stand by my statement the Works S was what the standard S should have been.

Yep, and the annoying thing is, the 'Works' car could have been the standard car all along, theres nothing particularly clever or expensive about the Works conversion, no reason why it couldnt have come off the production line with 200bhp in the first place.

mGP · Aug 15th, 2006, 04:26 PM

Following on from that; Is the current works better than the forthcoming standard 's' then generally speaking??

That is untill we see what the tuned version of the Turbo is like; wether it would still be a works or not is another matter.

Paul · Aug 15th, 2006, 04:37 PM

The new Works under development sounds very promising. As for is the current 210 works "better" then the new S, better in what way? It's faster.

R1 · Aug 15th, 2006, 06:37 PM

Yes it is better!! Everywhere!!

Sound, performance, looks, supercharger, equipment, supercharger, exhaust, supercharger and prestige!!

Did I mention it had a supercharger?

New ones better on fuel though!!

R1 · Aug 15th, 2006, 06:42 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by mGP (original)

Following on from that; Is the current works better than the forthcoming standard 's' then generally speaking??

That is untill we see what the tuned version of the Turbo is like; wether it would still be a works or not is another matter.

I bet they don't get the same horsepower out of the new turbo one as they did with the GP!

Paul · Aug 15th, 2006, 07:17 PM

No, I bet they can get more.

R1 · Aug 15th, 2006, 07:54 PM

Turbo engines are notoriously more difficult to tune than supercharged ones.

salocin · Aug 15th, 2006, 08:32 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original)

The new Works under development sounds very promising. As for is the current 210 works "better" then the new S, better in what way? It's faster.

Current car is much prettier?! Current car last of the real JCW cars, hey but the new car will sell hugely..as a BMW

Paul · Aug 15th, 2006, 08:35 PM

Because John Cooper Works have closed their shop the new one wont be a "Proper Works"? They will have just as much to do with the development of the new car as the current one.

salocin · Aug 15th, 2006, 08:39 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original)

Because John Cooper Works have closed their shop the new one wont be a "Proper Works"? They will have just as much to do with the development of the new car as the current one.

Oh right!

Sort of Leyland again then?

Aug 15th, 2006, 12:28 PM	#1
PaddyF MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Local Time: 05:20 PM Posts: 1 Offline	performance of new vs old S Does anyone know whether the performance of the new s will be significantly different from the current one ? Currently debating whether to order old or new.

Aug 15th, 2006, 12:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
KPKalle Knight of the Round Table Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Midhurst, Sussex Local Time: 05:20 PM Posts: 21,175 Offline	Have you read the News items here http://www.mini2.com/news.html? Particularly the fourth Global Moderator

Aug 15th, 2006, 01:46 PM	#7 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 05:20 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	Paul, I think there is a problem with the vehicle widths on one of those threads. It was acceptable in the 80's

Aug 15th, 2006, 01:53 PM	#9 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 05:20 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	Ah, that explains it. It was acceptable in the 80's

Aug 15th, 2006, 08:32 PM	#18 (permalink)
salocin GP 0904 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Stockbridge, Hants Local Time: 04:20 PM Posts: 357 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original) The new Works under development sounds very promising. As for is the current 210 works "better" then the new S, better in what way? It's faster. Current car is much prettier?! Current car last of the real JCW cars, hey but the new car will sell hugely..as a BMW GP 0904

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Aug 15th, 2006, 12:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
cleverzippy MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kettering, Northants Local Time: 05:20 PM Posts: 185 Offline	I would say that the performance of the new car will be considerably better. It's only 5bhp up on the old one but with 240Nm of torque from 1600rpm and more on overboost it's going to be much more civilised to drive and quicker from low rpm's. Like a turbodiesel but it'll still rev right round to 7000. I like the character of the supercharger but it feels sluggish at low rpm's. Plus the fuel economy's going to be way better than my MCSC which is costing me a fortune at 27mpg!

Aug 15th, 2006, 12:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
R1 Addicted to Speed!! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..."B" roads!! Local Time: 05:20 PM Posts: 4,915 Offline	I don't think any performance gains, looking at the figures, will be very noticable on the road. It just won't sound as good! MPG should be better though. You wan't to try owning a Works!!

Aug 15th, 2006, 01:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 05:20 PM Posts: 40,555 Offline	2nd Generation S: MINI Cooper S Technical Specifications 1st Generation S: MINI Cooper S Technical Specifications Compare and contrast.

Aug 15th, 2006, 01:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tonyt3 Track addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hants Local Time: 05:20 PM Posts: 6,257 Offline	With that extra torque, the car will be much more easy to drive fast, and should pull really well from low down. However, actual speeds wont vary much. Overtaking will be particularly good even on a standard car, much more like a supercharged car thats been tuned. The current Cooper S in standard form can be a bit of a slug at certain speeds/gears.

Aug 15th, 2006, 01:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 05:20 PM Posts: 40,555 Offline	One is with wing mirrors, one is without. But those are the figures provided.

Aug 15th, 2006, 03:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
R1 Addicted to Speed!! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..."B" roads!! Local Time: 05:20 PM Posts: 4,915 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3 (original) The current Cooper S in standard form can be a bit of a slug at certain speeds/gears. Which is why I always stand by my statement the Works S was what the standard S should have been.

Aug 15th, 2006, 03:39 PM	#11 (permalink)
Tonyt3 Track addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hants Local Time: 05:20 PM Posts: 6,257 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by R1 (original) Which is why I always stand by my statement the Works S was what the standard S should have been. Yep, and the annoying thing is, the 'Works' car could have been the standard car all along, theres nothing particularly clever or expensive about the Works conversion, no reason why it couldnt have come off the production line with 200bhp in the first place.

Aug 15th, 2006, 04:26 PM	#12 (permalink)
mGP ~ Join Date: Jul 2006 Local Time: 05:20 PM Posts: 957 Offline	Following on from that; Is the current works better than the forthcoming standard 's' then generally speaking?? That is untill we see what the tuned version of the Turbo is like; wether it would still be a works or not is another matter.

Aug 15th, 2006, 04:37 PM	#13 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 05:20 PM Posts: 40,555 Offline	The new Works under development sounds very promising. As for is the current 210 works "better" then the new S, better in what way? It's faster.

Aug 15th, 2006, 06:37 PM	#14 (permalink)
R1 Addicted to Speed!! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..."B" roads!! Local Time: 05:20 PM Posts: 4,915 Offline	Yes it is better!! Everywhere!! Sound, performance, looks, supercharger, equipment, supercharger, exhaust, supercharger and prestige!! Did I mention it had a supercharger? New ones better on fuel though!!

Aug 15th, 2006, 06:42 PM	#15 (permalink)
R1 Addicted to Speed!! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..."B" roads!! Local Time: 05:20 PM Posts: 4,915 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by mGP (original) Following on from that; Is the current works better than the forthcoming standard 's' then generally speaking?? That is untill we see what the tuned version of the Turbo is like; wether it would still be a works or not is another matter. I bet they don't get the same horsepower out of the new turbo one as they did with the GP!

Aug 15th, 2006, 07:17 PM	#16 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 05:20 PM Posts: 40,555 Offline	No, I bet they can get more.

Aug 15th, 2006, 07:54 PM	#17 (permalink)
R1 Addicted to Speed!! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..."B" roads!! Local Time: 05:20 PM Posts: 4,915 Offline	Turbo engines are notoriously more difficult to tune than supercharged ones.

Aug 15th, 2006, 08:35 PM	#19 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 05:20 PM Posts: 40,555 Offline	Because John Cooper Works have closed their shop the new one wont be a "Proper Works"? They will have just as much to do with the development of the new car as the current one.

Aug 15th, 2006, 08:39 PM	#20 (permalink)
salocin GP 0904 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Stockbridge, Hants Local Time: 04:20 PM Posts: 357 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original) Because John Cooper Works have closed their shop the new one wont be a "Proper Works"? They will have just as much to do with the development of the new car as the current one. Oh right! Sort of Leyland again then? GP 0904

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