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mr.abulia · Sep 7th, 2006, 12:07 AM

Well, I have the option of buying a 2006 JCW MCS with JCW suspension kit or waiting for a 2007 MCS: I don't need a new car straight away, but I do need one by the spring, and therefore waiting for the 2008 JCW is, unfortunately, not viable.So, which to choose? I've seen that the 80-120 times are a bit faster in the '06 JCW than the '07 MCS, but how about 0-62 times or Nurburgring laps? Does anyone have those numbers available? I seem unable to find proper times for the '06 JCW MCS cars.Finally, a question for those lucky people (or person) who have driven a 2007 MCS: Which car would you choose, if you had the option of either and didn't have to worry too much about cost?

Root Ginger · Sep 7th, 2006, 04:46 AM

As I see it there are two options:

Get the R53 JCW and trade for an R56 JCW later down the line.

Get the R56 MCS and get the JCW kit when it comes out.

MINIAC · Sep 7th, 2006, 04:50 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Root Ginger (original)

Get the R56 MCS and get the JCW kit when it comes out.

The JCW Kit may only be available from the factory

Root Ginger · Sep 7th, 2006, 05:21 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC (original)

The JCW Kit may only be available from the factory

I think that is incredibly unlikely

wo53 rks · Sep 7th, 2006, 08:26 AM

I think MINIAC may be right, with the JCG closing down,and BMW now owning all JCW rights, it would make sense,its a cheaper option for them,and thats what BMW are about.It would also benefit all JCW owners as it would be a bit more prestige and would help with resale the price for sure.
After all you cant buy a 3 series and go to your local dealer to get an M3 kit
Time is the only answer!!!!????????????????????

Tonyt3 · Sep 7th, 2006, 09:42 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Root Ginger (original)

I think that is incredibly unlikely

I think you might be wrong mate..... remember, no simple 'pulley' change will be available on the futures MCS, its going to need serious work to get it to BMW standards of engineering/quality/reliability in order to pump out the suppossed 50/60bhp more..... yes, aftermarket tuners will just chip it to up the boost, but thats not the JCW/BMW way.....

So yes, might well only be available as a 'model' of the production line next time round.... we'll have to see....

minigolf · Feb 24th, 2007, 09:05 AM

Bump.

AndrewH and I were speaking to our local dealer today and he mentioned a couple of points about the JCW tuning options for the R56. This may be old news to those on MINI2, and apologies if so, but he claims the power increase will only be 13kW, from 128kW to 141kW (190bhp). He also mentioned that the kit would be retro fit for the first 18 months or so and the Australian fitted pricing would be around AU$4K (approx £1500).

Would love some feedback on these comments please.

Cheers Liam

Rakey · Feb 24th, 2007, 11:29 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by minigolf (original)

Bump.

AndrewH and I were speaking to our local dealer today and he mentioned a couple of points about the JCW tuning options for the R56. This may be old news to those on MINI2, and apologies if so, but he claims the power increase will only be 13kW, from 128kW to 141kW (190bhp). He also mentioned that the kit would be retro fit for the first 18 months or so and the Australian fitted pricing would be around AU$4K (approx £1500).

Would love some feedback on these comments please.

Cheers Liam

There is no JCW tuning kit for the R56, the JCW will be a seperate model in the range, so not retrofit to a standard MCS

However, don't rule out the chance to buy maybe a sound kit for the MCS or Cooper, along with all the other JCW accessories which are already out.

But do not go buying an R56 expecting to be able to tranform it into a JCW like on the old R53.

minigolf · Feb 24th, 2007, 02:44 PM

Now that you say that, I had heard that before ... hmm, it's unlike Rob from the local dealer to be telling porkies, so will be interested to quiz hime some more.

Rakey · Feb 24th, 2007, 02:47 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by minigolf (original)

Now that you say that, I had heard that before ... hmm, it's unlike Rob from the local dealer to be telling porkies, so will be interested to quiz hime some more.

Don't worry a few dealers over here too have been presuming that the JCW will be the same as last time, offical communiction on the JCW and its position is so far nil to dealers so its understandable that they are making this guess on it.

Easiest way to explain it to him is the same way that BMW use the M badge, lots of accessories and tuning bits to have on the standard cars, but then the actual M car is a total package, this is how the JCW will sit from what I have heard

Fin · Feb 24th, 2007, 02:53 PM

It would be excellent for the new JCW R56 to be like the M cars are to regular BMW's.

Although less of a price jump than exists between normal BMW's and M cars would be desirable!

AndrewH · Feb 26th, 2007, 02:37 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey (original)

Don't worry a few dealers over here too have been presuming that the JCW will be the same as last time

It's not so much presuming as being told by one of the senior BMW Australia product people who apparently spends a fair bit of time in Germany at the BMW test facilities. The fact that they have specific power figures and pricing seems to add weight to what he said. But I think your probably right, it's probably more like a mild JCW tune kit for R56 S's with a more potent dedicated JCW model coming from the factory only. Guess we'll just have to wait and see

AndrewH · Feb 28th, 2007, 10:23 PM

Well, despite suggestions to the contrary, it turns out our dealer was in fact right

MotoringFile » Archive » 2007 JCW Kit Officially Announced

anissut · Feb 28th, 2007, 10:30 PM

I really hope thats just a stage one upgrade with further stages to follow as 175bhp to 192bhp is fairly unimpressive. And if it costs £1000 as well, surely a Quicksilver exhaust, Remap & K&N would give better gains than that and hopefully less than a £1000 as well. Frankly I'm getting the impression this is a fairly unimpressive upgrade because they intend to intend a factory JCW model.

Rakey · Feb 28th, 2007, 10:52 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by AndrewH (original)

Well, despite suggestions to the contrary, it turns out our dealer was in fact right

MotoringFile » Archive » 2007 JCW Kit Officially Announced

That is just the new version of the sound kit, I just wasn't aware this time it would give such a power increase

, but to be fair it was a bit of an unknown as there wasn't a sound kit on the last model, only the tuning kits.

But still expect a proper JCW (M style) MINI

msh441 · Mar 1st, 2007, 08:57 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by anissut (original)

I really hope thats just a stage one upgrade with further stages to follow as 175bhp to 192bhp is fairly unimpressive. And if it costs £1000 as well, surely a Quicksilver exhaust, Remap & K&N would give better gains than that and hopefully less than a £1000 as well. Frankly I'm getting the impression this is a fairly unimpressive upgrade because they intend to intend a factory JCW model.

Quicksilver's numbers have not yet been confirmed.

An exhaust, intake and ECU for $2000 USD (installed) for an official 30 HP and 20ft./lbs. of full time torque... all while keeping your factory warranty in tact. Put me on the list.

Root Ginger · Mar 1st, 2007, 09:06 AM

If Quicksilver's exhaust for the R56 is anything like the R53 one I'd steer clear. After 18 months on my car it was obliterated.

Baffles were shot and it had three holes in it.

robble · Mar 1st, 2007, 09:14 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by msh441 (original)

Quicksilver's numbers have not yet been confirmed.

An exhaust, intake and ECU for $2000 USD (installed) for an official 30 HP and 20ft./lbs. of full time torque... all while keeping your factory warranty in tact. Put me on the list.

Did you get those numbers out of a pipe or where did you here them? Wishful thinking?

Sep 7th, 2006, 12:07 AM	#1
mr.abulia MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Calgary Local Time: 10:19 PM Posts: 241 Offline	2006 JCW MCS vs 2007 MCS Well, I have the option of buying a 2006 JCW MCS with JCW suspension kit or waiting for a 2007 MCS: I don't need a new car straight away, but I do need one by the spring, and therefore waiting for the 2008 JCW is, unfortunately, not viable.So, which to choose? I've seen that the 80-120 times are a bit faster in the '06 JCW than the '07 MCS, but how about 0-62 times or Nurburgring laps? Does anyone have those numbers available? I seem unable to find proper times for the '06 JCW MCS cars.Finally, a question for those lucky people (or person) who have driven a 2007 MCS: Which car would you choose, if you had the option of either and didn't have to worry too much about cost?

Sep 7th, 2006, 04:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 05:19 AM Posts: 4,634 Offline	As I see it there are two options: Get the R53 JCW and trade for an R56 JCW later down the line. Get the R56 MCS and get the JCW kit when it comes out. It was acceptable in the 80's

Sep 7th, 2006, 05:21 AM	#4 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 05:19 AM Posts: 4,634 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC (original) The JCW Kit may only be available from the factory I think that is incredibly unlikely It was acceptable in the 80's

Sep 7th, 2006, 08:26 AM	#5 (permalink)
wo53 rks MINIMAD My Classifieds Join Date: May 2006 Location: south wales Local Time: 05:19 AM Posts: 216 Offline	I think MINIAC may be right, with the JCG closing down,and BMW now owning all JCW rights, it would make sense,its a cheaper option for them,and thats what BMW are about.It would also benefit all JCW owners as it would be a bit more prestige and would help with resale the price for sure. After all you cant buy a 3 series and go to your local dealer to get an M3 kit Time is the only answer!!!!???????????????????? Taking care of business

Feb 24th, 2007, 09:05 AM	#7 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 04:19 PM Posts: 13,858 Offline	Bump. AndrewH and I were speaking to our local dealer today and he mentioned a couple of points about the JCW tuning options for the R56. This may be old news to those on MINI2, and apologies if so, but he claims the power increase will only be 13kW, from 128kW to 141kW (190bhp). He also mentioned that the kit would be retro fit for the first 18 months or so and the Australian fitted pricing would be around AU$4K (approx £1500). Would love some feedback on these comments please. Cheers Liam Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

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Sep 7th, 2006, 04:50 AM	#3 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 09:19 PM Posts: 8,667 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Root Ginger (original) Get the R56 MCS and get the JCW kit when it comes out. The JCW Kit may only be available from the factory

Sep 7th, 2006, 09:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
Tonyt3 Track addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hants Local Time: 05:19 AM Posts: 6,010 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Root Ginger (original) I think that is incredibly unlikely I think you might be wrong mate..... remember, no simple 'pulley' change will be available on the futures MCS, its going to need serious work to get it to BMW standards of engineering/quality/reliability in order to pump out the suppossed 50/60bhp more..... yes, aftermarket tuners will just chip it to up the boost, but thats not the JCW/BMW way..... So yes, might well only be available as a 'model' of the production line next time round.... we'll have to see....

Feb 24th, 2007, 11:29 AM	#8 (permalink)
Rakey Remember My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 05:19 AM Posts: 50,153 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by minigolf (original) Bump. AndrewH and I were speaking to our local dealer today and he mentioned a couple of points about the JCW tuning options for the R56. This may be old news to those on MINI2, and apologies if so, but he claims the power increase will only be 13kW, from 128kW to 141kW (190bhp). He also mentioned that the kit would be retro fit for the first 18 months or so and the Australian fitted pricing would be around AU$4K (approx £1500). Would love some feedback on these comments please. Cheers Liam There is no JCW tuning kit for the R56, the JCW will be a seperate model in the range, so not retrofit to a standard MCS However, don't rule out the chance to buy maybe a sound kit for the MCS or Cooper, along with all the other JCW accessories which are already out. But do not go buying an R56 expecting to be able to tranform it into a JCW like on the old R53. The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

Feb 24th, 2007, 02:44 PM	#9 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 04:19 PM Posts: 13,858 Offline	Now that you say that, I had heard that before ... hmm, it's unlike Rob from the local dealer to be telling porkies, so will be interested to quiz hime some more. Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

Feb 24th, 2007, 02:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
Rakey Remember My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 05:19 AM Posts: 50,153 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by minigolf (original) Now that you say that, I had heard that before ... hmm, it's unlike Rob from the local dealer to be telling porkies, so will be interested to quiz hime some more. Don't worry a few dealers over here too have been presuming that the JCW will be the same as last time, offical communiction on the JCW and its position is so far nil to dealers so its understandable that they are making this guess on it. Easiest way to explain it to him is the same way that BMW use the M badge, lots of accessories and tuning bits to have on the standard cars, but then the actual M car is a total package, this is how the JCW will sit from what I have heard The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

Feb 24th, 2007, 02:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
Fin Giggity-goo! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dangling by a thread Local Time: 05:19 AM Posts: 2,640 Offline	It would be excellent for the new JCW R56 to be like the M cars are to regular BMW's. Although less of a price jump than exists between normal BMW's and M cars would be desirable!

Feb 26th, 2007, 02:37 AM	#12 (permalink)
AndrewH Were there Oompa loompas? Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canberra Local Time: 04:19 PM Posts: 4,181 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey (original) Don't worry a few dealers over here too have been presuming that the JCW will be the same as last time It's not so much presuming as being told by one of the senior BMW Australia product people who apparently spends a fair bit of time in Germany at the BMW test facilities. The fact that they have specific power figures and pricing seems to add weight to what he said. But I think your probably right, it's probably more like a mild JCW tune kit for R56 S's with a more potent dedicated JCW model coming from the factory only. Guess we'll just have to wait and see Jan 06 MCS Checkmate

Feb 28th, 2007, 10:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
AndrewH Were there Oompa loompas? Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canberra Local Time: 04:19 PM Posts: 4,181 Offline	Well, despite suggestions to the contrary, it turns out our dealer was in fact right MotoringFile » Archive » 2007 JCW Kit Officially Announced Jan 06 MCS Checkmate

Feb 28th, 2007, 10:30 PM	#14 (permalink)
anissut MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London Local Time: 06:19 AM Posts: 85 Offline	I really hope thats just a stage one upgrade with further stages to follow as 175bhp to 192bhp is fairly unimpressive. And if it costs £1000 as well, surely a Quicksilver exhaust, Remap & K&N would give better gains than that and hopefully less than a £1000 as well. Frankly I'm getting the impression this is a fairly unimpressive upgrade because they intend to intend a factory JCW model.

Feb 28th, 2007, 10:52 PM	#15 (permalink)
Rakey Remember My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 05:19 AM Posts: 50,153 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by AndrewH (original) Well, despite suggestions to the contrary, it turns out our dealer was in fact right MotoringFile » Archive » 2007 JCW Kit Officially Announced That is just the new version of the sound kit, I just wasn't aware this time it would give such a power increase, but to be fair it was a bit of an unknown as there wasn't a sound kit on the last model, only the tuning kits. But still expect a proper JCW (M style) MINI The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

Mar 1st, 2007, 08:57 AM	#16 (permalink)
msh441 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pacific NW Local Time: 10:19 PM Posts: 439 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by anissut (original) I really hope thats just a stage one upgrade with further stages to follow as 175bhp to 192bhp is fairly unimpressive. And if it costs £1000 as well, surely a Quicksilver exhaust, Remap & K&N would give better gains than that and hopefully less than a £1000 as well. Frankly I'm getting the impression this is a fairly unimpressive upgrade because they intend to intend a factory JCW model. Quicksilver's numbers have not yet been confirmed. An exhaust, intake and ECU for $2000 USD (installed) for an official 30 HP and 20ft./lbs. of full time torque... all while keeping your factory warranty in tact. Put me on the list. Founding member of R56 Anonymous: "Hello. My name is Mike. I'm a driving enthusiast... and I still like the R56"

Mar 1st, 2007, 09:06 AM	#17 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 05:19 AM Posts: 4,634 Offline	If Quicksilver's exhaust for the R56 is anything like the R53 one I'd steer clear. After 18 months on my car it was obliterated. Baffles were shot and it had three holes in it. It was acceptable in the 80's

Mar 1st, 2007, 09:14 AM	#18 (permalink)
robble MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Local Time: 07:19 PM Posts: 148 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by msh441 (original) Quicksilver's numbers have not yet been confirmed. An exhaust, intake and ECU for $2000 USD (installed) for an official 30 HP and 20ft./lbs. of full time torque... all while keeping your factory warranty in tact. Put me on the list. Did you get those numbers out of a pipe or where did you here them? Wishful thinking?

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