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Martin F · Nov 21st, 2006, 11:55 AM

I picked up my R56 MCS yesterday. My first MINI.

The handover went well until the salesman offered me GAP insurance which I didn't want as it is very expensive from MINI. When I refused it he asked me to sign a form to confirm I did not want it AND that the dealer would not be liable for any loss that I suffered because I did not have it.

I was amazed as I do not expect to have to refuse an oral offer in writing. And anyway I could not see why I should agree to relieve the dealer from liability for me not buying it. He could not explain the last point so I refused to sign his form. This caused one of his chums to intervene to try to get me to sign. I also asked him why I should sign and he could not give a coherent explanation of the benefit to me. ( I don't doubt that there was some benefit to the dealer) It was all a bit unpleasant as they tried to bully me. And there was a strong smell of b*ll****.

Apart from that the handover was OK although, as the first one the salesman had done, he was not very knowledgeable. But I sorted it out with the Handbook when I got home.

Driving impressions to follow but here are a few pics in the meantime.

SteveBrass · Nov 21st, 2006, 12:03 PM

One can only conclude that there must be a lot of profit in selling gap insurance.

Whatever - enjoy the car.

rec · Nov 21st, 2006, 12:04 PM

yay ! here come the R56's

lookin good mate ! what spec did you go for ?

Hat · Nov 21st, 2006, 12:15 PM

handover is not the time they should be trying to sell you anything, let alone gap insurance. sounds like pressure from the sales manager to push gap to me. you were bang on not to sign anything.

now go enjoy

GR33NIE · Nov 21st, 2006, 12:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by SteveBrass (original)

One can only conclude that there must be a lot of profit in selling gap insurance.

£45 commisson per case for the dealer group I used to work for

Lovly looking new S enjoy!

KPKalle · Nov 21st, 2006, 12:42 PM

Congrats

Chris.F · Nov 21st, 2006, 01:18 PM

Lovely looking motor Martin Congratulations.

Think I can clarify the point re waiver on the gap insurance. It appears all dealerships have to prove they have offered you the range of services to meet financial regulations, even down to being offered service packages and paint protecton.

Our family have had 3 new cars this year and had to sign a waiver at Mitsubishi, Honda and Alfa to stop the customer saying they had not been told about Gap insurance. Apparently plenty of people have been taking on deals and when a problem has cropped up like GAP tried to claim off the dealerships claiming they had not been told of the option. It was the first form to go through on 2 of the 3 handovers.

Olly. · Nov 21st, 2006, 01:18 PM

Congrats

Looks very nice

Martin F · Nov 21st, 2006, 02:28 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by rec (original)

yay ! here come the R56's

lookin good mate ! what spec did you go for ?

Fairly simple spec compared with some.

Chili + auto aircon + flame spokes
DSC
MFSW
Hi Fi upgrade
Visibility + heated mirrors and washers
Chromeline interior

But that does everything I need

kevkbuk · Nov 21st, 2006, 02:31 PM

Nice, how are you finding the HiFi Upgrade? It's the only thing I'm a bit unsure of with my order...

Paul · Nov 21st, 2006, 02:38 PM

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Say hello there ^^^^

Also interested in the Hi-Fi upgrade with decent music, I've only had it for Catolonian radio, which was rubbish!

Martin F · Nov 21st, 2006, 02:47 PM

When I picked up the car I took an Eva Cassidy CD to try the Hifi out. I am not a HiFi buff but like it to be clear, and loud if I want it.

I thought it was good and felt glad I had specced it but probably not as good as the HK system in our 2005 Range Rover but I think that is a much more powerful system with more speakers. So I would say that it is worth the money but not an oustanding system.

mister.t · Nov 21st, 2006, 04:14 PM

IMO the HK system in the Rangie is 1 of the best in the world. Neighbour has a 4.2 S/C 06 plate. Anyway, that is one sweet looking S!!! The more I see those wheels, the more I can't wait for our R56

popey · Nov 21st, 2006, 04:16 PM

Looks fantastic mate!!!!

Ive gone for the Hi-Fi most have said its good, but will have to wait and see. Looking forward to a bit of "Smack My ***** Up" basting out

Olly. · Nov 21st, 2006, 05:02 PM

Martin F - What dash have you got in there? Is that the standard chequered dash or is it the Brushed Alloy?

Martin F · Nov 21st, 2006, 05:12 PM

Its the standard chequered dash. One of the reasons I took the interior photo was to try to show it but its not very clear. I am very pleased with the dash. It is not to bright which was my worry with the Brushed Alloy although I have yet to actually see one to compare.

rec · Nov 21st, 2006, 05:13 PM

it does... what you're seeing is the orange bulbs...

Freddo · Nov 22nd, 2006, 12:20 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by rec (original)

it does... what you're seeing is the orange bulbs...

Sure about that? because my dealer told me that the clear indicators is´t available before december production. And that does´t really look like bulbs, to big I think.

So Martin is it only orange bulbs or is it orange lenses? Nice car anyway, congrats!

popey · Nov 22nd, 2006, 12:31 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Freddo (original)

Sure about that? because my dealer told me that the clear indicators is´t available before december production. And that does´t really look like bulbs, to big I think.

So Martin is it only orange bulbs or is it orange lenses? Nice car anyway, congrats!

There clear at my dealer

Martin F · Nov 22nd, 2006, 07:26 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Freddo (original)

So Martin is it only orange bulbs or is it orange lenses? Nice car anyway, congrats!

Just been out to the garage to take a careful look. I can confirm the lenses are clear, the bulb is orange and what the photo shows is the orange bulb in the silver reflector

Nov 21st, 2006, 11:55 AM	#1
Martin F Making it add up Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sussex Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 651 Offline	My new R56 MCS I picked up my R56 MCS yesterday. My first MINI. The handover went well until the salesman offered me GAP insurance which I didn't want as it is very expensive from MINI. When I refused it he asked me to sign a form to confirm I did not want it AND that the dealer would not be liable for any loss that I suffered because I did not have it. I was amazed as I do not expect to have to refuse an oral offer in writing. And anyway I could not see why I should agree to relieve the dealer from liability for me not buying it. He could not explain the last point so I refused to sign his form. This caused one of his chums to intervene to try to get me to sign. I also asked him why I should sign and he could not give a coherent explanation of the benefit to me. ( I don't doubt that there was some benefit to the dealer) It was all a bit unpleasant as they tried to bully me. And there was a strong smell of bll***. Apart from that the handover was OK although, as the first one the salesman had done, he was not very knowledgeable. But I sorted it out with the Handbook when I got home. Driving impressions to follow but here are a few pics in the meantime.

Nov 21st, 2006, 12:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
SteveBrass MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: staffordshire (not a Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 383 Offline	One can only conclude that there must be a lot of profit in selling gap insurance. Whatever - enjoy the car. R56 AB Cooper

Nov 21st, 2006, 12:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
rec Not a happy bunny. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Scotthall MINI Often Local Time: 05:34 AM Posts: 1,209 Offline	yay ! here come the R56's lookin good mate ! what spec did you go for ? Got an R56 ? Flaunt It ! http://www.mini2.com/forum/general-d...st-ya-r56.html

Nov 21st, 2006, 12:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
GR33NIE Polo GT Owner! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 3,862 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by SteveBrass (original) One can only conclude that there must be a lot of profit in selling gap insurance. £45 commisson per case for the dealer group I used to work for Lovly looking new S enjoy! ::MINI Sold! Polo GT Owner::

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Nov 21st, 2006, 12:15 PM	#4 (permalink)
Hat ITS RAINNIN' SIDEWAYS My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 15,971 Offline	handover is not the time they should be trying to sell you anything, let alone gap insurance. sounds like pressure from the sales manager to push gap to me. you were bang on not to sign anything. now go enjoy

Nov 21st, 2006, 01:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
Chris.F MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Pennines Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 326 Offline	Cool car Martin Lovely looking motor Martin Congratulations. Think I can clarify the point re waiver on the gap insurance. It appears all dealerships have to prove they have offered you the range of services to meet financial regulations, even down to being offered service packages and paint protecton. Our family have had 3 new cars this year and had to sign a waiver at Mitsubishi, Honda and Alfa to stop the customer saying they had not been told about Gap insurance. Apparently plenty of people have been taking on deals and when a problem has cropped up like GAP tried to claim off the dealerships claiming they had not been told of the option. It was the first form to go through on 2 of the 3 handovers.

Nov 21st, 2006, 01:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
Olly. Overboosting..... Join Date: Sep 2003 Local Time: 05:34 AM Posts: 3,458 Offline	Congrats Looks very nice

Nov 21st, 2006, 02:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
Martin F Making it add up Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sussex Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 651 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by rec (original) yay ! here come the R56's lookin good mate ! what spec did you go for ? Fairly simple spec compared with some. Chili + auto aircon + flame spokes DSC MFSW Hi Fi upgrade Visibility + heated mirrors and washers Chromeline interior But that does everything I need

Nov 21st, 2006, 02:31 PM	#10 (permalink)
kevkbuk MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2006 Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 652 Offline	Nice, how are you finding the HiFi Upgrade? It's the only thing I'm a bit unsure of with my order...

Nov 21st, 2006, 02:38 PM	#11 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Big grey box Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 40,514 Offline	New MINI Cooper S Owners Roll Call..... Say hello there ^^^^ Also interested in the Hi-Fi upgrade with decent music, I've only had it for Catolonian radio, which was rubbish! Trained Monkeys

Nov 21st, 2006, 02:47 PM	#12 (permalink)
Martin F Making it add up Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sussex Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 651 Offline	When I picked up the car I took an Eva Cassidy CD to try the Hifi out. I am not a HiFi buff but like it to be clear, and loud if I want it. I thought it was good and felt glad I had specced it but probably not as good as the HK system in our 2005 Range Rover but I think that is a much more powerful system with more speakers. So I would say that it is worth the money but not an oustanding system.

Nov 21st, 2006, 04:14 PM	#13 (permalink)
mister.t 5 days!! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nowhere exciting Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 6,328 Offline	IMO the HK system in the Rangie is 1 of the best in the world. Neighbour has a 4.2 S/C 06 plate. Anyway, that is one sweet looking S!!! The more I see those wheels, the more I can't wait for our R56

Nov 21st, 2006, 04:16 PM	#14 (permalink)
popey Wanted an Audi My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Blackpool Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 1,788 Offline	Looks fantastic mate!!!! Ive gone for the Hi-Fi most have said its good, but will have to wait and see. Looking forward to a bit of "Smack My ***** Up" basting out

Nov 21st, 2006, 05:02 PM	#15 (permalink)
Olly. Overboosting..... Join Date: Sep 2003 Local Time: 05:34 AM Posts: 3,458 Offline	Martin F - What dash have you got in there? Is that the standard chequered dash or is it the Brushed Alloy?

Nov 21st, 2006, 05:12 PM	#16 (permalink)
Martin F Making it add up Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sussex Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 651 Offline	Its the standard chequered dash. One of the reasons I took the interior photo was to try to show it but its not very clear. I am very pleased with the dash. It is not to bright which was my worry with the Brushed Alloy although I have yet to actually see one to compare.

Nov 21st, 2006, 05:13 PM	#17 (permalink)
rec Not a happy bunny. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Scotthall MINI Often Local Time: 05:34 AM Posts: 1,209 Offline	it does... what you're seeing is the orange bulbs... Got an R56 ? Flaunt It ! http://www.mini2.com/forum/general-d...st-ya-r56.html

Nov 22nd, 2006, 12:20 AM	#18 (permalink)
Freddo MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sweden Local Time: 05:34 AM Posts: 261 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by rec (original) it does... what you're seeing is the orange bulbs... Sure about that? because my dealer told me that the clear indicators is´t available before december production. And that does´t really look like bulbs, to big I think. So Martin is it only orange bulbs or is it orange lenses? Nice car anyway, congrats!

Nov 22nd, 2006, 12:31 AM	#19 (permalink)
popey Wanted an Audi My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Blackpool Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 1,788 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Freddo (original) Sure about that? because my dealer told me that the clear indicators is´t available before december production. And that does´t really look like bulbs, to big I think. So Martin is it only orange bulbs or is it orange lenses? Nice car anyway, congrats! There clear at my dealer

Nov 22nd, 2006, 07:26 AM	#20 (permalink)
Martin F Making it add up Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sussex Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 651 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Freddo (original) So Martin is it only orange bulbs or is it orange lenses? Nice car anyway, congrats! Just been out to the garage to take a careful look. I can confirm the lenses are clear, the bulb is orange and what the photo shows is the orange bulb in the silver reflector

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