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jon vital · Nov 28th, 2006, 10:36 PM

PH: RE: Mini Cooper S v Renaultsport Clio 197

According to this review it hits 60 in 6.6 secs, which is very impressive and much quicker than BMW quote but what is more impressive is the 0-100 in 16.7 secs. That is really amazing when you consider the lightweight Clio Cups etc (about 250kg lighter than the new MINI) were about 17.5 secs 0-100. and also LOADS quicker than the previous S models which was over 20 secs 0-100.

Conor · Nov 28th, 2006, 10:43 PM

No way does it hit 62 in 6.6....

KenL · Nov 28th, 2006, 11:04 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by jon vital (original)

PH: RE: Mini Cooper S v Renaultsport Clio 197

According to this review it hits 60 in 6.6 secs, which is very impressive and much quicker than BMW quote but what is more impressive is the 0-100 in 16.7 secs. That is really amazing when you consider the lightweight Clio Cups etc (about 250kg lighter than the new MINI) were about 17.5 secs 0-100. and also LOADS quicker than the previous S models which was over 20 secs 0-100.

This just doesn't add up

How can a heavier car with >10% less poer be quicker?

I don't think the Clio cup is 250kg less than the MINI either.

djtex · Nov 28th, 2006, 11:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Conor (original)

No way does it hit 62 in 6.6....

Apparently Car magazine got 0-60 out of it in 6.5 seconds! If thats true the 16.7 seconds to 100 is very possible.

UKC4 · Nov 28th, 2006, 11:28 PM

I read that the New S can get from 0-62mph in 6.9 seconds, dont ask me which mag it was in i carnt remember (Maybe Auto Express). Still a very good time!!! as for the 6.6 seconds this from what i could tell on my test drive would be possible. It was very quick!!!!! I was drooling half way through the test drive, lets put it that way!!!

Haggi · Nov 28th, 2006, 11:34 PM

but the one PH tested was lighter base spec (no air con etc) and on 16' alloys so it all makes a differance

miniman23 · Nov 28th, 2006, 11:35 PM

My R56 has a stopwatch on the Sat Nav screen which can be used. I will test this theory this week. I think it definately can do 0-60 in less that 7 secs as it feel by far faster than my 04 MCS.

Haggi · Nov 28th, 2006, 11:36 PM

will still be off you need a proper racelogic box hooked into the OBC port that stops when it hits 60

Root Ginger · Nov 28th, 2006, 11:40 PM

Having test driven the R56 S and driving a 230BHP S at the moment I can see how the mags could get these times. It really is a lot quicker than the figures would lead you to believe. I personally feel it is down to the torque coming in so early and remaining so consistant across the rev range. It really is a quick car.

It'd be interesting to see some independant dyno figures for the car.

matt.morrow · Nov 29th, 2006, 01:41 AM

MINI USA website shows different 0-62mph figures than the UK.

USA - 6.8mph
UK - 7.2mph

Paul · Nov 29th, 2006, 08:49 AM

Could be 0-60(US) v 0-62(UK).

Chinstb · Nov 29th, 2006, 10:29 AM

Autocars full test today shows:

0-60 in 7.1
0-100 in 18.5
and 30-70 in a 6.5

That feels about right. My 2.0TT is 6.6, 16.8 and 5.5. Driving both you can feel the drop in performance.

Interestingly they still rate the 197 over the Mini

ru81 · Nov 29th, 2006, 11:20 AM

I test drove the clio 197 two weeks ago as i wanted to consider all options before ordering an R56. It doesn't come close to comparing with the mini. You have to thrash the ar*e off it to get it to go anywhere. Unless you are over 5000 revs it barely moves. In addition, 70mph in 6th gear is very noisy with the revs being a fraction under 4000rpm. If you have got the energy everytime you go out to drive like a racing driver, I guess the clio could be an option, but for a more 'rounded' and complete car, the mini wins hands down!

m1m0 · Nov 29th, 2006, 11:22 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original)

Could be 0-60(US) v 0-62(UK).

yep - miniusa.com are quoting 6.7 seconds for 0-60 mph (i.e. not 62)

BUTTONMUSH · Nov 29th, 2006, 11:54 AM

I bought myself a 106 Gti back in 1999. After being initially concerned by the official 0-60 time of 8.7secs I soon suspected this to be a touch generous

After running it in I was able to trash a number of cars who's on-paper performance was superior.

An identicle engined Saxo VTS was quoting 7.7secs and my 106 was ever so slightly quicker than any of those I came across.

Anyway, a couple of years after, I learned that Peugeot had alledgedly weighted the car to give a slower official 0-60 / top speed as this helped obtain a lower insurance grouping for the car. This weight was obviously omitted for production models.

Read what you like into that, but that was WAY faster than an 8.7 car. Maybe MINI have pulled a similar con as it's not really aimed at the Hot Hatch market .

Will_'S' · Nov 29th, 2006, 12:00 PM

Some cars feel quicker than others it's only when you compare it side by side with the old model you'll see the real difference plus how many mini's are identical. spec and engine tolerance will play a big part. I know my s was quicker than identically spec'd cars.

BUTTONMUSH · Nov 29th, 2006, 12:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Chinstb (original)

Autocars full test today shows:

0-60 in 7.1
0-100 in 18.5
and 30-70 in a 6.5

That feels about right. My 2.0TT is 6.6, 16.8 and 5.5. Driving both you can feel the drop in performance.

Interestingly they still rate the 197 over the Mini

If you mean a new shape Audi TT, what are they like to live with day to day ? I don't like the look of the new MINI (to the point that I won't buy one) and really considering a black 2.0 TT with 18" turbines.

wohi · Nov 29th, 2006, 02:18 PM

I've already tested it:
0-100km/h in 7,3 with 2 persons: youtube.com/watch?v=L946uQem5Gk
Wolfgang

Will_'S' · Nov 29th, 2006, 02:24 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by wohi (original)

I've already tested it:
0-100km/h in 7,3 with 2 persons: youtube.com/watch?v=L946uQem5Gk
Wolfgang

love it what a great test

Japper · Nov 29th, 2006, 03:23 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Chinstb (original)

Autocars full test today shows:

0-60 in 7.1
0-100 in 18.5
and 30-70 in a 6.5

That feels about right. My 2.0TT is 6.6, 16.8 and 5.5. Driving both you can feel the drop in performance.

Interestingly they still rate the 197 over the Mini

This is more realistic than the Autoexpress test. They must have had a 'tweaked' car from BMW. I test drove the new MCS last week expecting great things, only to be utterly dissapointed, It's marginally better in most areas but has lost so much character / styling fluidity in exchange. I also expected it to feel far quicker than mine but on the same roads ( test track ) it was no quicker.

MCS + MTH and JCM Race filter.

Nov 28th, 2006, 10:36 PM	#1
jon vital MINI2 Senior Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Essex Local Time: 05:06 AM Posts: 616 Offline	R56 - Really quick!? PH: RE: Mini Cooper S v Renaultsport Clio 197 According to this review it hits 60 in 6.6 secs, which is very impressive and much quicker than BMW quote but what is more impressive is the 0-100 in 16.7 secs. That is really amazing when you consider the lightweight Clio Cups etc (about 250kg lighter than the new MINI) were about 17.5 secs 0-100. and also LOADS quicker than the previous S models which was over 20 secs 0-100.

Nov 28th, 2006, 11:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
Haggi MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2004 Local Time: 05:06 AM Posts: 1,811 Offline	but the one PH tested was lighter base spec (no air con etc) and on 16' alloys so it all makes a differance confusion, madness and disorder .............. my work here is done

Nov 28th, 2006, 11:36 PM	#8 (permalink)
Haggi MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2004 Local Time: 05:06 AM Posts: 1,811 Offline	will still be off you need a proper racelogic box hooked into the OBC port that stops when it hits 60 confusion, madness and disorder .............. my work here is done

Nov 28th, 2006, 11:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 05:06 AM Posts: 4,634 Offline	Having test driven the R56 S and driving a 230BHP S at the moment I can see how the mags could get these times. It really is a lot quicker than the figures would lead you to believe. I personally feel it is down to the torque coming in so early and remaining so consistant across the rev range. It really is a quick car. It'd be interesting to see some independant dyno figures for the car. It was acceptable in the 80's

Nov 29th, 2006, 08:49 AM	#11 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Big grey box Local Time: 05:06 AM Posts: 40,514 Offline	Could be 0-60(US) v 0-62(UK). Trained Monkeys

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Nov 28th, 2006, 10:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
Conor Playing the waiting game. Join Date: Oct 2006 Local Time: 05:06 AM Posts: 75 Offline	No way does it hit 62 in 6.6....

Nov 28th, 2006, 11:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 05:06 AM Posts: 5,105 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by jon vital (original) PH: RE: Mini Cooper S v Renaultsport Clio 197 According to this review it hits 60 in 6.6 secs, which is very impressive and much quicker than BMW quote but what is more impressive is the 0-100 in 16.7 secs. That is really amazing when you consider the lightweight Clio Cups etc (about 250kg lighter than the new MINI) were about 17.5 secs 0-100. and also LOADS quicker than the previous S models which was over 20 secs 0-100. This just doesn't add up How can a heavier car with >10% less poer be quicker? I don't think the Clio cup is 250kg less than the MINI either.

Nov 28th, 2006, 11:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
djtex Laser Blue Loon Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Surrey Local Time: 05:06 AM Posts: 258 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Conor (original) No way does it hit 62 in 6.6.... Apparently Car magazine got 0-60 out of it in 6.5 seconds! If thats true the 16.7 seconds to 100 is very possible.

Nov 28th, 2006, 11:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
UKC4 MINI2 Sex God & etc...... My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bradford Local Time: 06:06 AM Posts: 1,316 Offline	I read that the New S can get from 0-62mph in 6.9 seconds, dont ask me which mag it was in i carnt remember (Maybe Auto Express). Still a very good time!!! as for the 6.6 seconds this from what i could tell on my test drive would be possible. It was very quick!!!!! I was drooling half way through the test drive, lets put it that way!!!

Nov 28th, 2006, 11:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
miniman23 MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: London Local Time: 06:06 AM Posts: 359 Offline	My R56 has a stopwatch on the Sat Nav screen which can be used. I will test this theory this week. I think it definately can do 0-60 in less that 7 secs as it feel by far faster than my 04 MCS.

Nov 29th, 2006, 01:41 AM	#10 (permalink)
matt.morrow MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bangor, N.I. Local Time: 06:06 AM Posts: 385 Offline	MINI USA website shows different 0-62mph figures than the UK. USA - 6.8mph UK - 7.2mph

Nov 29th, 2006, 10:29 AM	#12 (permalink)
Chinstb MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2006 Local Time: 05:06 AM Posts: 10 Offline	Autocars full test today shows: 0-60 in 7.1 0-100 in 18.5 and 30-70 in a 6.5 That feels about right. My 2.0TT is 6.6, 16.8 and 5.5. Driving both you can feel the drop in performance. Interestingly they still rate the 197 over the Mini

Nov 29th, 2006, 11:20 AM	#13 (permalink)
ru81 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 05:06 AM Posts: 271 Offline	I test drove the clio 197 two weeks ago as i wanted to consider all options before ordering an R56. It doesn't come close to comparing with the mini. You have to thrash the ar*e off it to get it to go anywhere. Unless you are over 5000 revs it barely moves. In addition, 70mph in 6th gear is very noisy with the revs being a fraction under 4000rpm. If you have got the energy everytime you go out to drive like a racing driver, I guess the clio could be an option, but for a more 'rounded' and complete car, the mini wins hands down!

Nov 29th, 2006, 11:22 AM	#14 (permalink)
m1m0 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cardiff Local Time: 06:06 AM Posts: 211 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original) Could be 0-60(US) v 0-62(UK). yep - miniusa.com are quoting 6.7 seconds for 0-60 mph (i.e. not 62)

Nov 29th, 2006, 11:54 AM	#15 (permalink)
BUTTONMUSH MINIBUG My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cambridge UK Local Time: 06:06 AM Posts: 113 Offline	I bought myself a 106 Gti back in 1999. After being initially concerned by the official 0-60 time of 8.7secs I soon suspected this to be a touch generous After running it in I was able to trash a number of cars who's on-paper performance was superior. An identicle engined Saxo VTS was quoting 7.7secs and my 106 was ever so slightly quicker than any of those I came across. Anyway, a couple of years after, I learned that Peugeot had alledgedly weighted the car to give a slower official 0-60 / top speed as this helped obtain a lower insurance grouping for the car. This weight was obviously omitted for production models. Read what you like into that, but that was WAY faster than an 8.7 car. Maybe MINI have pulled a similar con as it's not really aimed at the Hot Hatch market .

Nov 29th, 2006, 12:00 PM	#16 (permalink)
Will_'S' Stealth Cooper Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lancashire Local Time: 06:06 AM Posts: 1,191 Offline	Some cars feel quicker than others it's only when you compare it side by side with the old model you'll see the real difference plus how many mini's are identical. spec and engine tolerance will play a big part. I know my s was quicker than identically spec'd cars.

Nov 29th, 2006, 12:05 PM	#17 (permalink)
BUTTONMUSH MINIBUG My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cambridge UK Local Time: 06:06 AM Posts: 113 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Chinstb (original) Autocars full test today shows: 0-60 in 7.1 0-100 in 18.5 and 30-70 in a 6.5 That feels about right. My 2.0TT is 6.6, 16.8 and 5.5. Driving both you can feel the drop in performance. Interestingly they still rate the 197 over the Mini If you mean a new shape Audi TT, what are they like to live with day to day ? I don't like the look of the new MINI (to the point that I won't buy one) and really considering a black 2.0 TT with 18" turbines.

Nov 29th, 2006, 02:18 PM	#18 (permalink)
wohi MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2006 Local Time: 06:06 AM Posts: 11 Offline	I've already tested it: 0-100km/h in 7,3 with 2 persons: youtube.com/watch?v=L946uQem5Gk Wolfgang

Nov 29th, 2006, 02:24 PM	#19 (permalink)
Will_'S' Stealth Cooper Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lancashire Local Time: 06:06 AM Posts: 1,191 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by wohi (original) I've already tested it: 0-100km/h in 7,3 with 2 persons: youtube.com/watch?v=L946uQem5Gk Wolfgang love it what a great test

Nov 29th, 2006, 03:23 PM	#20 (permalink)
Japper MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oil Country Local Time: 05:06 AM Posts: 1,070 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Chinstb (original) Autocars full test today shows: 0-60 in 7.1 0-100 in 18.5 and 30-70 in a 6.5 That feels about right. My 2.0TT is 6.6, 16.8 and 5.5. Driving both you can feel the drop in performance. Interestingly they still rate the 197 over the Mini This is more realistic than the Autoexpress test. They must have had a 'tweaked' car from BMW. I test drove the new MCS last week expecting great things, only to be utterly dissapointed, It's marginally better in most areas but has lost so much character / styling fluidity in exchange. I also expected it to feel far quicker than mine but on the same roads ( test track ) it was no quicker. MCS + MTH and JCM Race filter. 06 HB/W MCS Chilli

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