[blueyeswill]

For all of those interested I found this on the net. It's from an independant site (as far as I know) so no reason for them to tweak the figures. It makes VERY interesting reading for ALL MCS owners.

U can't hold me responsible for it's integrity, I hope you dont all start arguing over this but it clearly shows that MCS is the best option.

1. Look at the prices of these vehicles at OTR price

2. Check out that we have the smallest BHP but the best performance
- 0-60, 30-50, 50-70

3. Check out the differences in the size of the engines here!! (what are Ford doing??) Im not a whizz with engines but it looks like they just piled a huge engine in and hoped for the best!

I'm sure this will have you all chatting for a while

Facts and Figures | Auto Express Car Group Tests | Auto Express

Will

[Chinstb]

I used to own a MKV GTI and currently a MK2 TT. I test drove an MCS today and the drop in performance was very noticable. On a dual carriageway in 6th it lack pull compared to the 2.0T FSI engine. Autoexpress do tend to use manufacturers figures rather than test them properly.
I feel the MCS needs a power upgrade whereas my TT with the same engine as the Golf doesnt - although it would be nice. The MCS feel quite punchy at low speeds, but at higher speeds its a bit gutless IMHO.

[Olly.]

Quote: Originally Posted by blueyeswill (original)

For all of those interested I found this on the net. It's from an independant site (as far as I know) so reason for them to tweak the figures. It makes VERY interesting reading for ALL MCS owners.

U can't hold me responsible for it's integrity, I hope you dont all start arguing over this but it clearly shows that MCS is the best option.

1. Look at the prices of these vehicles at OTR price

2. Check out that we have the smallest BHP but the best performance
- 0-60, 30-50, 50-70

3. Check out the differences in the size of the engines here!! (what are Ford doing??) Im not a whizz with engines but it looks like they just piled a huge engine in and hoped for the best!

I'm sure this will have you all chatting for a while

Facts and Figures | Auto Express Car Group Tests | Auto Express

Will

Useful link, the figures certainly stack up. The MPG & CO2 stats certainly look good in comparision as well.

Quote: Originally Posted by Chinstb (original)

I used to own a MKV GTI and currently a MK2 TT. I test drove an MCS today and the drop in performance was very noticable. On a dual carriageway in 6th it lack pull compared to the 2.0T FSI engine. Autoexpress do tend to use manufacturers figures rather than test them properly.
I feel the MCS needs a power upgrade whereas my TT with the same engine as the Golf doesnt - although it would be nice. The MCS feel quite punchy at low speeds, but at higher speeds its a bit gutless IMHO.

Can't comment on either of the cars you mentioned but the figures that Auto Express quote are not the factory stats.

Here are MINI's own stats - http://www.mini2.com/forum/2nd-gen-m...formation.html

[popey]

Quote: Originally Posted by Chinstb (original)

I used to own a MKV GTI and currently a MK2 TT. I test drove an MCS today and the drop in performance was very noticable. On a dual carriageway in 6th it lack pull compared to the 2.0T FSI engine. Autoexpress do tend to use manufacturers figures rather than test them properly.
I feel the MCS needs a power upgrade whereas my TT with the same engine as the Golf doesnt - although it would be nice. The MCS feel quite punchy at low speeds, but at higher speeds its a bit gutless IMHO.

Noticeable compared to a what????

Also Autoexpress didn't use the official figures!

[smartbomb]

Shame it misses out on chaviness, someting which the ST wins hands down. Missing too is the librarian test, which the Golf wins as any Golf makes you look like a librarian and someone who couldn't be bothered to go and buy something that's not 'sensible. The 'Mavis' test would be won by the Clio as ask any Mavis and she has a Clio tucked away in her garage with only 26 miles from new on the clock.
As for the MINI, I don't care if it gets thrashed in any test by a Sinclair C5, nothing touches it for personality, fun and the whole ownership experience.
I mean, if I hadn't had MINIs things would be very different !

[KenL]

Quote: Originally Posted by smartbomb (original)

Shame it misses out on chaviness, someting which the ST wins hands down. Missing too is the librarian test, which the Golf wins as any Golf makes you look like a librarian and someone who couldn't be bothered to go and buy something that's not 'sensible. The 'Mavis' test would be won by the Clio as ask any Mavis and she has a Clio tucked away in her garage with only 26 miles from new on the clock.
As for the MINI, I don't care if it gets thrashed in any test by a Sinclair C5, nothing touches it for personality, fun and the whole ownership experience.
I mean, if I hadn't had MINIs things would be very different !

What a strange post These are all good cars, I've never seen anything but a positive review for all of them.

I especially disagree with your comments on the GTI. That is a GREAT car, I don't consider it boring in the slightest. Great performance, build quality, residuals, looks, practicality...

I am about to own a new R56, after a Golf. I am fully prepared for people telling me it is a "hairdresser's car"

[GARY GP]

Hey look at the fuel figures boys and girls Best of the lot!!......

[smartbomb]

Well, I just like to have a bit of a laugh in some posts. I'm not saying they are bad cars, just that to me they don't say very positive things about you !
As for the Golf comment, you get varied owners. Ones who stick 17" rims and lower a base model, those who who are 71 and own a stick. The GTI just looks like a tarted up Golf 'cos it is ! It's a Golf and that where my problem lies !
I know the competetion offer great cars, but for me I bought a MINI as it's a MINI and I can go to my local meets and have a good social life with it. I dare say there are similar clubs for the other models, but sadly I don't own a baseball cap, have 9 points on my license or have any desire to join the national trust and stick an oak leaf sticker in my windscreen !!!!!!

[GARY GP]

Quote: Originally Posted by smartbomb (original)

Well, I just like to have a bit of a laugh in some posts. I'm not saying they are bad cars, just that to me they don't say very positive things about you !
As for the Golf comment, you get varied owners. Ones who stick 17" rims and lower a base model, those who who are 71 and own a stick. The GTI just looks like a tarted up Golf 'cos it is ! It's a Golf and that where my problem lies !
I know the competetion offer great cars, but for me I bought a MINI as it's a MINI and I can go to my local meets and have a good social life with it. I dare say there are similar clubs for the other models, but sadly I don't own a baseball, have 9 points on my license or have any desire to join the national trust and stick an oak leaf sticker in my windscreen !!!!!!

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[Mini Vikki]

Have you seen the standard cloth trim in a Golf GTI? Man, its just plain horrific.

[KenL]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mini Vikki (original)

Have you seen the standard cloth trim in a Golf GTI? Man, its just plain horrific.

Oh no it isn't

I happen to like tartan

[marx87]

I read this article when i bought the magazine, i was very suprised to see that autoexpress think that the new MCS is only 0.1 of a second slower than the the ST-2 at 0-60mph. Where have Autoexpress got these performance figures? i very much doubt they made them up but the figures are totally different to wot the actual car companies have specc'd!

[grantw]

I dont bother with auto express these days, i think autocar and now EVO are far better. Autoexpress have got things wrong in the past.. and i dont know where they got those mcs figures from.. i have driven both the golf and st and its not that quick...

[farquahar]

owned golf gti's corrado's since 1980 and since 2002 the family transports have been a golf gti 1.8 20v t and a mini cooper ,chili , sunroof, sports suspension , both great cars in thier different ways but the ownership experience has been totally different.
mini :- one recall, no breakdowns or repairs, paintwork alloys and interior almost as new , heavy on front run flats though.

golf :- breakdowns two , repairs out of warranty, front anti roll bar cracked, catalytic converter (vw wanted £670 +fitting but could not get the part for 16 weeks) after market one fitted for £400, rear suspension bushes and bump stops,thermostats two, water pump and thermoswitch. bodywork and seats average steering wheel door handles and gear leaver showing signs of excesive wear, body colour bumpers fading to a slightly different colour than rest of car, alloy wheels pitting and vw centre caps de laminating.

as we now only need one car it was not a hard decision on the following

new audi tt. front overhang to great grounds out entering our garage , great car though
golf gti/ r32. not confident in current vw quality and reliability based on the above

new mcs due for delivery friday this week

astro black ,white roof chilli pack, folding chrome mirrors,sunroof , cloth ray cream leather+colourline,man air con, chrome ext ,chrome int,multi func stearing wheel,i.pod connector,centre arm rest,bespoke bonnet stripes

[MikeTango75]

Quote: Originally Posted by smartbomb (original)

Well, I just like to have a bit of a laugh in some posts. I'm not saying they are bad cars, just that to me they don't say very positive things about you !
As for the Golf comment, you get varied owners. Ones who stick 17" rims and lower a base model, those who who are 71 and own a stick. The GTI just looks like a tarted up Golf 'cos it is ! It's a Golf and that where my problem lies !
I know the competetion offer great cars, but for me I bought a MINI as it's a MINI and I can go to my local meets and have a good social life with it. I dare say there are similar clubs for the other models, but sadly I don't own a baseball cap, have 9 points on my license or have any desire to join the national trust and stick an oak leaf sticker in my windscreen !!!!!!

Funny, your post doesn't really say anything positive about you either !

[smartbomb]

Well it does say I own a MINI which I'd say is very positive.

[wow]

1) GOLF V GTi does not handle anything like a R53 so I am sure it cannot compete against the R56 in handling.

2)GTi is heavy so even though it has a 2L engine a R53 will be right next to it and now that the R56 is lighter and has more torque and power it will give the GTi a hiding.

3) GTi is more luxurious than MINI and more spacious in my opinion but nothing special about it thus no character.

4)GTi looks bland and does not have any real difference between a Golf V 1,6, thus they all look the same.

Would I buy one? Yes if i did not want to drive to work in a GO KART

[mister.t]

IF I had a choice of another car bar a Mini, it'd have to be the Golf R32. But £24495 :shock: But, anything else? No. No chance. Mini forever!!

[wow]

If i could not get a mini my second choice would be a 135i Sport

[grantw]

Quote: Originally Posted by wow (original)

1) GOLF V GTi does not handle anything like a R53 so I am sure it cannot compete against the R56 in handling.

2)GTi is heavy so even though it has a 2L engine a R53 will be right next to it and now that the R56 is lighter and has more torque and power it will give the GTi a hiding.

3) GTi is more luxurious than MINI and more spacious in my opinion but nothing special about it thus no character.

4)GTi looks bland and does not have any real difference between a Golf V 1,6, thus they all look the same.

Would I buy one? Yes if i did not want to drive to work in a GO KART

I love minis but this is going to far..

1. i think handling of the new r53 is not better than the r56, just different... maybe more grip but no more traction, steering isnt as communicative... but ride far better.

2. the r56 is not lighter than the r53 but its quicker, the golf is no slouch though and the engine much better than the old 1.8t engines, i liked the new 2.0 turbo engine..

3 i happen to like the new gti interior, its not comparable to the mini in the overtly overstyled front, therefore character, but material and finish are fantastic and the steringwheel is brillliant.

4 the gti looks good with the 18" wheel and i like some of the detailing, but yes its very subtle

i chose my r53 over a more expensive gti but its a great car..