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edzmini · Mar 23rd, 2007, 05:15 AM

1mm thicker? Who has the answer?

MIN 18 · Mar 23rd, 2007, 06:19 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by edzmini (original)

1mm thicker? Who has the answer?

does the sport package include the thicker anti roll bars? From what I know, sport package consists of xenon, bigger rims and DSC. I think there is a separate sport suspension package that adds the stiffer springs and the thicker anti roll bars.

Can someone correct me if im worng

Paul · Mar 23rd, 2007, 09:41 AM

The sport suspension (not sure if that's in the sport package or not off the top of my head) has 1mm thicker anti-roll bars.

L8Apex · Mar 23rd, 2007, 11:02 AM

Wow!! $500 for 1mm. If you're not going for SCCA Solo Nationals, that's pointless.

edzmini · Mar 23rd, 2007, 11:48 PM

Sorry, I meant sport suspension..... Thanks for confirming the 1mm.
Do peolple order DSC more often than not?

MIN 18 · Mar 24th, 2007, 12:58 AM

Just checked MINI usa. Sport Suspension comes with the thicker bar

. According to my parallel importer here, my car comes with the sport suspension package. I hope the information he told he is accurate

Get the DSC. You might need it during emergency situations

Paul · Mar 24th, 2007, 07:34 AM

DSC is like airbags. You don't really appreciate it until it saves your hide one day!

edzmini · Mar 25th, 2007, 02:50 AM

My Z3 had the DSC and it was rather invasive for me. Z3 is a RWD so throttle oversteer is more likely to happen than in a MINI (FWD). However, I one time rolled a new beetle by spinning out on a freeway exit ramp. DSC might have saved the car... I guess I could leave it off most of the time unless the weather's bad.

cpark · Mar 25th, 2007, 03:09 AM

I find the DSC maddening, just when your begging for a burst of power and you mash the pedal absolutely nothing happens (the computer saves me from myself). Im happy that the cars other driver has it available but I find myself swearing everytime I forget to turn it offf.

Paul · Mar 25th, 2007, 10:06 AM

That's more the traction control aspect than the dynamic stability control that's causing that. If you have an earlier MINI the ASC+T is much more intrusive than on latter models. Much improved on the 2nd gen.

red_S · Mar 25th, 2007, 08:00 PM

I have a similar question. Does anyone know how thick are the a-rollbars on the sport suspension?

I had it ordered, but I am not sure if it has been fitted on my car. I had a chance to look under the car the other day and measure the thickness of the front a-roll bar. It was 24mm.

Fanis · Mar 26th, 2007, 08:47 AM

For the Cooper S the thicknesses are the following:

Front with normal suspension: 22.5mm
Fron with Sport Suspension: 23.5mm

Rear with Normal Suspension: 17mm
Rear with Sport Suspension: 18mm

edzmini · Mar 26th, 2007, 04:28 PM

How does 1 mm difference make a noticeable difference in handling and why are they $500 more?? I can't understand. Unless they are made of different material as well.

cristo · Mar 26th, 2007, 09:33 PM

the shocks and almost certainly the springs are also stiffer

L8Apex · Mar 26th, 2007, 11:09 PM

On miniusa.com, the description for the sport suspension said nothing about shocks or springs; just that it has thicker sway bars. 1mm more of swaybar front and rear will only be slightly noticeable, and that's if you know how to feel out a car. If you don't plan on doing autocrosses in a stock class at a national level, you won't miss the upgraded option.

cristo · Mar 26th, 2007, 11:29 PM

copying from a previous thread (post#63):
http://www.mini2.com/forum/2nd-gen-w...ml#post2898293

According to the realoem site,
the Cooper R56 has
a 23.5 mm front bar and 18 mm rear bar for Sport Suspension, and
a 21.5 mm front bar and 16 mm rear (same part number here as the 1st Gen SS bar)
for regular (non-Sport).

The Cooper S R56 has a
a 23.5 mm front and 18 mm rear bar for Sport suspension, and
a 22.5 mm front and 17 mm rear bar for regular (non-Sport)

They also list different strut part numbers for the regular vs. sport suspensions.

realoem doesn't list spring applications, but I'd be willing to bet they're different
for the Sport vs. the regular.

guppy · May 10th, 2007, 04:52 AM

wow so you guys are telling me i paid 500 bucks just for 1mm of more metal. holy crap tahts like a straind of hair. couldnt you just buy some uber good after market sway bars for 500?

cristo · May 10th, 2007, 02:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by guppy (original)

wow so you guys are telling me i paid 500 bucks just for 1mm of more metal. holy crap tahts like a straind of hair. couldnt you just buy some uber good after market sway bars for 500?

Also stiffer springs and struts.

BMWF1 · May 15th, 2007, 04:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by cristo (original)

Also stiffer springs and struts.

Do you have any confirmation of this? If so, what are the spec differences?

Paul · May 15th, 2007, 04:59 PM

They are firmer, but I cannot recall when told whether it was springs, dampers, or both.

Mar 23rd, 2007, 05:15 AM	#1
edzmini MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Local Time: 05:43 AM Posts: 28 Offline	How much thicker are the anti-roll bars on the Sport Package? 1mm thicker? Who has the answer?

Mar 25th, 2007, 08:00 PM	#11 (permalink)
red_S MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Maribor, Slovenia Local Time: 02:43 PM Posts: 31 Offline	I have a similar question. Does anyone know how thick are the a-rollbars on the sport suspension? I had it ordered, but I am not sure if it has been fitted on my car. I had a chance to look under the car the other day and measure the thickness of the front a-roll bar. It was 24mm. Regards, Damir

Mar 26th, 2007, 08:47 AM	#12 (permalink)
Fanis MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Athens, Greece Local Time: 03:43 PM Posts: 154 Offline	For the Cooper S the thicknesses are the following: Front with normal suspension: 22.5mm Fron with Sport Suspension: 23.5mm Rear with Normal Suspension: 17mm Rear with Sport Suspension: 18mm Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.

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Mar 23rd, 2007, 06:19 AM	#2 (permalink)
MIN 18 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Feb 2007 Local Time: 08:43 PM Posts: 125 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by edzmini (original) 1mm thicker? Who has the answer? does the sport package include the thicker anti roll bars? From what I know, sport package consists of xenon, bigger rims and DSC. I think there is a separate sport suspension package that adds the stiffer springs and the thicker anti roll bars. Can someone correct me if im worng

Mar 23rd, 2007, 09:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 01:43 PM Posts: 40,710 Online	The sport suspension (not sure if that's in the sport package or not off the top of my head) has 1mm thicker anti-roll bars.

Mar 23rd, 2007, 11:02 AM	#4 (permalink)
L8Apex An idiot breaking his car Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Euphoria Local Time: 07:43 AM Posts: 123 Offline	Wow!! $500 for 1mm. If you're not going for SCCA Solo Nationals, that's pointless.

Mar 23rd, 2007, 11:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
edzmini MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Local Time: 05:43 AM Posts: 28 Offline	Sorry, I meant sport suspension..... Thanks for confirming the 1mm. Do peolple order DSC more often than not?

Mar 24th, 2007, 12:58 AM	#6 (permalink)
MIN 18 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Feb 2007 Local Time: 08:43 PM Posts: 125 Offline	Just checked MINI usa. Sport Suspension comes with the thicker bar . According to my parallel importer here, my car comes with the sport suspension package. I hope the information he told he is accurate Get the DSC. You might need it during emergency situations

Mar 24th, 2007, 07:34 AM	#7 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 01:43 PM Posts: 40,710 Online	DSC is like airbags. You don't really appreciate it until it saves your hide one day!

Mar 25th, 2007, 02:50 AM	#8 (permalink)
edzmini MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Local Time: 05:43 AM Posts: 28 Offline	My Z3 had the DSC and it was rather invasive for me. Z3 is a RWD so throttle oversteer is more likely to happen than in a MINI (FWD). However, I one time rolled a new beetle by spinning out on a freeway exit ramp. DSC might have saved the car... I guess I could leave it off most of the time unless the weather's bad.

Mar 25th, 2007, 03:09 AM	#9 (permalink)
cpark MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2006 Local Time: 05:43 AM Posts: 30 Offline	I find the DSC maddening, just when your begging for a burst of power and you mash the pedal absolutely nothing happens (the computer saves me from myself). Im happy that the cars other driver has it available but I find myself swearing everytime I forget to turn it offf.

Mar 25th, 2007, 10:06 AM	#10 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 01:43 PM Posts: 40,710 Online	That's more the traction control aspect than the dynamic stability control that's causing that. If you have an earlier MINI the ASC+T is much more intrusive than on latter models. Much improved on the 2nd gen.

Mar 26th, 2007, 04:28 PM	#13 (permalink)
edzmini MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Local Time: 05:43 AM Posts: 28 Offline	How does 1 mm difference make a noticeable difference in handling and why are they $500 more?? I can't understand. Unless they are made of different material as well.

Mar 26th, 2007, 09:33 PM	#14 (permalink)
cristo BLIKSEM (my brg/brg mc) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: york, pennsylvania Local Time: 08:43 AM Posts: 2,202 Offline	the shocks and almost certainly the springs are also stiffer

Mar 26th, 2007, 11:09 PM	#15 (permalink)
L8Apex An idiot breaking his car Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Euphoria Local Time: 07:43 AM Posts: 123 Offline	On miniusa.com, the description for the sport suspension said nothing about shocks or springs; just that it has thicker sway bars. 1mm more of swaybar front and rear will only be slightly noticeable, and that's if you know how to feel out a car. If you don't plan on doing autocrosses in a stock class at a national level, you won't miss the upgraded option.

Mar 26th, 2007, 11:29 PM	#16 (permalink)
cristo BLIKSEM (my brg/brg mc) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: york, pennsylvania Local Time: 08:43 AM Posts: 2,202 Offline	copying from a previous thread (post#63): http://www.mini2.com/forum/2nd-gen-w...ml#post2898293 According to the realoem site, the Cooper R56 has a 23.5 mm front bar and 18 mm rear bar for Sport Suspension, and a 21.5 mm front bar and 16 mm rear (same part number here as the 1st Gen SS bar) for regular (non-Sport). The Cooper S R56 has a a 23.5 mm front and 18 mm rear bar for Sport suspension, and a 22.5 mm front and 17 mm rear bar for regular (non-Sport) They also list different strut part numbers for the regular vs. sport suspensions. realoem doesn't list spring applications, but I'd be willing to bet they're different for the Sport vs. the regular.

May 10th, 2007, 04:52 AM	#17 (permalink)
guppy yellow 07 mcs driver Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: sj cali Local Time: 05:43 AM Posts: 74 Offline	wow so you guys are telling me i paid 500 bucks just for 1mm of more metal. holy crap tahts like a straind of hair. couldnt you just buy some uber good after market sway bars for 500?

May 10th, 2007, 02:05 PM	#18 (permalink)
cristo BLIKSEM (my brg/brg mc) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: york, pennsylvania Local Time: 08:43 AM Posts: 2,202 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by guppy (original) wow so you guys are telling me i paid 500 bucks just for 1mm of more metal. holy crap tahts like a straind of hair. couldnt you just buy some uber good after market sway bars for 500? Also stiffer springs and struts.

May 15th, 2007, 04:59 PM	#20 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 01:43 PM Posts: 40,710 Online	They are firmer, but I cannot recall when told whether it was springs, dampers, or both.

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