[R60 Mike]

Does any one know what a good price i would get to sell my R56 mcs

chilli pack
tint windows
MFSW
pure silver black roof
Hifi upgrade
Flame spoke alloys

and in immucualte contition with 3000 miles.

also what would a fair trade in price be?????

and if you have any other options would be welcome

[ALD0]

For a fair price I would probably knock off about £1000 to £1500 what you paid for it?
Unfortunately if you oferred back to the dealers, they would offer you a price minus all the VAT you paid on it (as a guide)
Nice spec there though

[ru81]

Why are you selling already when its so new?

Not sure on the sale price but I've got a feeling you'd lose a fair bit as most people would prefer to have a brand new car if the price difference isn't that much.

[R60 Mike]

it cost £19,100 new

the reason i want to get rid of it is because of all the problems that its causing me, and i just have no faith in the car and mini any more, i dont want to spend my days of and weekends at the dealership telling them this and that.

[ALD0]

Not good,shame the problems have put you off ownership.

[R60 Mike]

Its just very frustrating, i now just want a car that every time i drive it i dont feel like its going to break

at the moment the R56 feels very brittle to me, and i am not too sure about the longevity of all the parts that make it up, fuel pumps, clutch, gearbox, and especially the engine which sounds awful all the time

[Rakey]

If it has so many problems then reject it

[R60 Mike]

tried that,

they said that they just want to take it in and try to fix it.

i am just fed up with my £19k car being taken away so may times, its just annoying now i expect a car company like this to test their cars properly not put it on sale and then find out whats wrong and why should i be made to be their paying guenea pig.

going to assess my options after its been in this week for more repairs.

[wiggis]

Quote: Originally Posted by R60 Mike (original)

tried that,

they said that they just want to take it in and try to fix it.

i am just fed up with my £19k car being taken away so may times, its just annoying now i expect a car company like this to test their cars properly not put it on sale and then find out whats wrong and why should i be made to be their paying guenea pig.

going to assess my options after its been in this week for more repairs.

My local dealers have a used R56 Cooper S up for sale at £17,995. My guess having dealt with them recently is that they paid around £1,000 less than that for it, so the guy who sold it to them probably got between £16,500 and £16,995.

MINI Cherished

Looking at the spec of that car, I reckon it would have been just short of £20,000, and so the first owner took a drop of between £3,000 and £3,500.

If you are really set on changing, you might do better to trade 'down' for the very best and most recent R53 Cooper S your dealership can lay their hands on, and pocket the difference (assuming there is any) in cash. Many would consider this an upgrade by the way . The dealers may have more freedom to move on relative prices if it is against a used car on their forecourt as they will have more to play with.

That said, if it were me, I'd let them have one more go to fix your cars problems ......... just put everything in writing from here on in in case you do go down the route of rejection.

[Richard Korby]

R60 Mike -All new cars these days seem to have alot of problems ,got my wife a Honda Accord thinking it would be bullit proof , had it in so many times I now just live with the problems sick of the hassle with the dealer.Ive got a Dodge work truck ,water pump replaced 25000 mi. differential is going at 35000.I feel the same way you do about the new Mini being brittle other than the engine light going on mine has just about every problem people have been complaning about.Mine is not my main transportation so the fun motoring out ways the problems 95%.Probably would feel different if it was my only car. I think you should let them try to fix it or reject it,you shouldnt lose money ,let them know how you feel your very good at expressing your self , your post really hit me hard I couldnt get it out of my head.Good luck ,God bless you I hope it works out.

[DerekH]

R60 Mike soory to here about your problems i would give the dealer one last chance with recorded delivery letter with rejection intent stating reason's give them 1 week to reply. Then tel them you intend to take advice on your legal options, also copy in head of Mini customer service, with your intent, then say what out come you would accept set a high one ask dealer to buy back etc, all the best if you have ago as i would office of fair trading may help you give it ago don't want to see you lose money through a lemon car.

[JG.26]

Sorry to hear of your problems

I'm not sure what the problems you have been experiencing and how many attempts at fixes there have been, but I would be looking at a rejection as Rakey said minus the cost of use you have had from the car. Its always difficult to know when to reject a car, the sooner the better I guess but not easy if the problems get more serious over months rather than weeks from new.

I fully sympathise when spending 20k and being given the fob off which is easier for your dealer than the reject route. I'm not sure I would looking to sell the car but following the reject route, still being so new.

Good luck

[sav112]

Ok its a cooper S but it puts me off my thinking about a cooper reading this, now thinking Audi A4 ish.

[wiggis]

Quote: Originally Posted by sav112 (original)

Ok its a cooper S but it puts me off my thinking about a cooper reading this, now thinking Audi A4 ish.

Cooper S and Audi A4 are poles apart? Did you mean A3?

Sadly, it seems that BMW likes to look for other reasons for faults first before digging in, stripping down an engine and really getting to the bottom of the issue. I'm sure that when they've got a few properly failed R56 engines back in their workshops, replaced under warranty and costing them money, they'll make some changes. At the moment, I'm not aware of anyone reporting a real failure - just noises and such, and frankly, that probably doesn't interest BMW very much.

Just a bit of a history lesson... Anyone remember the E46 M3 crank bearing issues shortly after the cars worldwide launch in 2001? They were failing, taking out >£10,000 worth of engine and replacement costs each time it happened. At first, it was maintained that the owners must have been over revving their engines, or that the owners didn't check the oil level, and it was those reasons which were leading to failures (and hence not covered by warranty), but eventually, after the SMG gearbox was launched (effectively making it impossible to over rev the engine) and problems still appeared despite perfect oil levels, BMW dug in and got to the bottom of the problem. They then recalled (or was that a quality enhancement too?) a large number of vehicles for bearing shell replacement because of a faulty batch. They also changed the grade of oil recommended to a thicker higher quality oil to protect better, and in later revisions to the engine, they used larger bolts for the crank caps, etc - basically strengthened the bottom end significantly to prevent premature bearing failure. About 2 years after launch, in 2003, all the mechanical changes were done on the E46 M3 engine, and it stayed pretty much unchanged after that. It was almost the same pattern with the E39 M5 - about 18 months after it was launched, they revised the engine so that newer versions had different piston rings (lower oil consumption), a VANOS oil pressure accumulator (stops loud rattle on cold start), different VANOS gear splines and springs to reduce 'diesel noise when warm', etc. After that, they didn't change the engine at all for the rest of its production run.

History shows with at least two high performance BMW engines of the recent past of which I am aware that it took BMW a couple of years to iron out the launch issues and once that was done the engines were bullet proof and the underlying high engineering and build quality shone through. As far as I am aware, in the case of the E46 M3 and E39 M5, BMW made good on earlier engines as far as was economically viable (i.e. retrofits of new parts but not wholesale replacement unless something failed).

Moral : It is probably best to wait a couple of years before taking the plunge on a brand new engine platform so that they can work out and re-engineer any weak points in the original design. Before that, you're taking a chance.

[drbsheffield]

I can totally understand where you are coming from. I sold my car after 2 months privately which cost £18650 for £16'850. The car had done 1250 miles.
Thought that would give you an idea. Try to come to some agreement with the dealer.
Mine were great and gave me a massive discount on another car.

[drbsheffield]

sorry just another thing, if you get in touch with MINI and explain to them how important your car is to you and much more than just a car to you as I am sure it is. I was given £500 towards another car or for accessories. The best way of approaching this is by saying how upset you are by the whole thing, this is how I approached it as I genuinely was! I found they will try really hard to help.

[R60 Mike]

Quote: Originally Posted by drbsheffield (original)

I can totally understand where you are coming from. I sold my car after 2 months privately which cost £18650 for £16'850. The car had done 1250 miles.
Thought that would give you an idea. Try to come to some agreement with the dealer.
Mine were great and gave me a massive discount on another car.

where did you advertise your car?

i really want shot of it quick

did you offer mini to buy the car back?

[CooperS4us]

MINI can certainly put out a quality product. My 2005 R53 Cooper Hardtop 6-speed manual has 25K miles and ZERO absolutely no problems to date. The most solid car I have ever owned and this includes 12 Hondas before it. It beats them all!

[ALD0]

Quote: Originally Posted by CooperS4us (original)

MINI can certainly put out a quality product. My 2005 R53 Cooper Hardtop 6-speed manual has 25K miles and ZERO absolutely no problems to date. The most solid car I have ever owned and this includes 12 Hondas before it. It beats them all!

If only they were all like that

[JG.26]

Quote: Originally Posted by R60 Mike (original)

where did you advertise your car?

i really want shot of it quick

did you offer mini to buy the car back?

Mike,

Try Pistonheads and it's free to advertise, I sold my S within a day.

The only problem I can foresee selling privately is the cat is out the bag that your MINI is experiencing problems, hopefully no prospective buyers will be reading this thread. Not wishing to put a downer on the sale but you will be wanting to get as much back as possible and anything over 15k unless a complete bargain I think it's going to be tough to sell to a private buyer, I guess there is just that safety net at price range your looking to sell for a buyer to go to a dealer instead. I still think your best option is to keep on at the dealer to get your car fully fixed up, go down the reject route and full refund minus the use you have already had out the car or ask for an exchange and pay the difference for another new MINI.