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miniebud · May 7th, 2007, 06:08 PM

I noticed that when I park my 07 Mini Copper S in gear on an incline, the car rolls if I don't put the emergency brake on. The dealer says this is normal for the 6 speed. It seems odd to me. Is this normal?

KillerByte · May 7th, 2007, 06:12 PM

You should always put the handbrake on as well as leave it in gear. I wouldn't trust just one or the other to hold the car.

mrweasel · May 7th, 2007, 06:19 PM

yeah, always have a backup in case one fails....I thought, judging from the title, that you had wrecked your Mini. Glad to see otherwise.

miniebud · May 7th, 2007, 06:20 PM

It just seems very odd that parking it in gear will not stop it from rolling. So if the emergency brake should fail I know that parking it in gear will definitely not stop it from rolling. I guess that means I am just relying on the emergency brake then. Again, this seems very odd.

miniebud · May 7th, 2007, 06:24 PM

My mini rolled in a parking lot. luckily there were no other cars behind it. It rolled up a curb, passed sidewalk and up slight incline. By the looks of the tire marks on the mulch it seems like it just kissed a tree and rolled back down the curb. No scratches.

super c00per · May 7th, 2007, 06:33 PM

I think it seems odd that you dont use the handbrake!!! Its not like its a major effort or anything and it gives you ease of mind!

KillerByte · May 7th, 2007, 06:34 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by miniebud (original)

It just seems very odd that parking it in gear will not stop it from rolling. So if the emergency brake should fail I know that parking it in gear will definitely not stop it from rolling. I guess that means I am just relying on the emergency brake then. Again, this seems very odd.

You do have a point there though.

Perhaps someone else would like to answer this.

miniebud · May 7th, 2007, 06:34 PM

I do use the hand brake. But I think I must've forgot this one time only.

Pops Racer · May 7th, 2007, 06:44 PM

I read once about a mini that had actually rolled while the handbrake was set.( On this site.) They guessed that the actual brake shrank after it had cooled. Leaving slack in the handbrake cable, the car was out of gear, so off it rolled. Always a good habit to get into, pulling the handbrake and engaging a gear.
Drive it while you got it! Pops

besimmons · May 7th, 2007, 06:47 PM

Click and Clack on Car Talk recommend leaving the car not just in gear but in REVERSE. They say that gear is most resistant to rolling, no matter which way you are facing downhill. At least that's my recollection of their advice.

FergusM · May 7th, 2007, 06:53 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by besimmons (original)

Click and Clack on Car Talk recommend leaving the car not just in gear but in REVERSE. They say that gear is most resistant to rolling, no matter which way you are facing downhill. At least that's my recollection of their advice.

I was told always to park in reverse when leaving a car... got an explaination at time but beats me if I can remember now.

Always remember when I had my Saab 900... to get key out you had to put car in reverse so got into that habbit years ago..

AndyParker · May 7th, 2007, 06:54 PM

highway code actually states leaving it in gear when parked on an incline as well as using the handbrake

James · May 7th, 2007, 07:07 PM

so is it true you should leave it in reverse no matter which way your facing?

Crammy

roland2003 · May 7th, 2007, 07:09 PM

Hi Guys , always use the handbrake plus for inclines put it in first or reverse . The reason for this is both first and rerverse are very low gears. In other words for the car to roll a given distance the engine has to be hauled over compression a greater number of times. In 6th gear it requires less effort for the wheel to rotate than in 1st.
6th gear and no handbrake on an incline is very dangerous. The air will find its way past the rings on the compression stroke and allow the piston to carry on up then down again.
Best Regards Roland GTT

DerekH · May 7th, 2007, 10:48 PM

Also if on very steep hill angle wheels towards the kerb as if was to move would be stopped with the kerb, also as roland said harder to turn over engine in low gear

KenL · May 8th, 2007, 07:29 AM

On a steep hill, I turn wheels to kerb, apply handbrake and leave it in reverse or first gear. Reverse if pointing downhill, first if pointing up.

CC07ERS · May 8th, 2007, 08:18 AM

I left mine not in gear & rolled down a hill into a wall ,not funny when you have to repair oit yourself.

hyperbluejames · May 8th, 2007, 10:30 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by CC07ERS (original)

I left mine not in gear & rolled down a hill into a wall ,not funny when you have to repair oit yourself.

Yep...exactly the same happened with me...guess what? I always leave it in gear now and almost break my arm putting the handbrake on as high as I physically can. This was an R50 though.

James

May 7th, 2007, 06:08 PM	#1
miniebud MINI2 Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Local Time: 06:35 AM Posts: 4 Offline	Mini rolled I noticed that when I park my 07 Mini Copper S in gear on an incline, the car rolls if I don't put the emergency brake on. The dealer says this is normal for the 6 speed. It seems odd to me. Is this normal?

May 7th, 2007, 07:09 PM	#14 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 06:35 AM Posts: 2,754 Offline	Hi Guys , always use the handbrake plus for inclines put it in first or reverse . The reason for this is both first and rerverse are very low gears. In other words for the car to roll a given distance the engine has to be hauled over compression a greater number of times. In 6th gear it requires less effort for the wheel to rotate than in 1st. 6th gear and no handbrake on an incline is very dangerous. The air will find its way past the rings on the compression stroke and allow the piston to carry on up then down again. Best Regards Roland GTT www.gttuning.com

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KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 06:35 AM Posts: 5,105 Offline	On a steep hill, I turn wheels to kerb, apply handbrake and leave it in reverse or first gear. Reverse if pointing downhill, first if pointing up. Red/Black R56 Cooper

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May 7th, 2007, 06:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
KillerByte It's coming... Join Date: May 2006 Location: Nottingham Local Time: 06:35 AM Posts: 11,651 Offline	You should always put the handbrake on as well as leave it in gear. I wouldn't trust just one or the other to hold the car.

May 7th, 2007, 06:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
mrweasel Village Idiot Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pasadena, MD Local Time: 02:35 AM Posts: 65 Offline	yeah, always have a backup in case one fails....I thought, judging from the title, that you had wrecked your Mini. Glad to see otherwise.

May 7th, 2007, 06:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
miniebud MINI2 Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Local Time: 06:35 AM Posts: 4 Offline	It just seems very odd that parking it in gear will not stop it from rolling. So if the emergency brake should fail I know that parking it in gear will definitely not stop it from rolling. I guess that means I am just relying on the emergency brake then. Again, this seems very odd.

May 7th, 2007, 06:24 PM	#5 (permalink)
miniebud MINI2 Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Local Time: 06:35 AM Posts: 4 Offline	My mini rolled in a parking lot. luckily there were no other cars behind it. It rolled up a curb, passed sidewalk and up slight incline. By the looks of the tire marks on the mulch it seems like it just kissed a tree and rolled back down the curb. No scratches.

May 7th, 2007, 06:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
super c00per MiNi2 dEmOn Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The Shire Local Time: 07:35 AM Posts: 666 Offline	I think it seems odd that you dont use the handbrake!!! Its not like its a major effort or anything and it gives you ease of mind!

May 7th, 2007, 06:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
KillerByte It's coming... Join Date: May 2006 Location: Nottingham Local Time: 06:35 AM Posts: 11,651 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by miniebud (original) It just seems very odd that parking it in gear will not stop it from rolling. So if the emergency brake should fail I know that parking it in gear will definitely not stop it from rolling. I guess that means I am just relying on the emergency brake then. Again, this seems very odd. You do have a point there though. Perhaps someone else would like to answer this.

May 7th, 2007, 06:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
miniebud MINI2 Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Local Time: 06:35 AM Posts: 4 Offline	I do use the hand brake. But I think I must've forgot this one time only.

May 7th, 2007, 06:44 PM	#9 (permalink)
Pops Racer 'wrong side of the road' My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sunny San Francisco Local Time: 11:35 PM Posts: 45 Offline	I read once about a mini that had actually rolled while the handbrake was set.( On this site.) They guessed that the actual brake shrank after it had cooled. Leaving slack in the handbrake cable, the car was out of gear, so off it rolled. Always a good habit to get into, pulling the handbrake and engaging a gear. Drive it while you got it! Pops

May 7th, 2007, 06:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
besimmons MINI2 Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Local Time: 11:35 PM Posts: 1 Offline	Click and Clack on Car Talk recommend leaving the car not just in gear but in REVERSE. They say that gear is most resistant to rolling, no matter which way you are facing downhill. At least that's my recollection of their advice.

May 7th, 2007, 06:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
FergusM MINI2 Senior Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Glasgow Local Time: 07:35 AM Posts: 692 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by besimmons (original) Click and Clack on Car Talk recommend leaving the car not just in gear but in REVERSE. They say that gear is most resistant to rolling, no matter which way you are facing downhill. At least that's my recollection of their advice. I was told always to park in reverse when leaving a car... got an explaination at time but beats me if I can remember now. Always remember when I had my Saab 900... to get key out you had to put car in reverse so got into that habbit years ago..

May 7th, 2007, 06:54 PM	#12 (permalink)
AndyParker MINI2 on order! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cardiff Local Time: 07:35 AM Posts: 118 Offline	highway code actually states leaving it in gear when parked on an incline as well as using the handbrake

May 7th, 2007, 07:07 PM	#13 (permalink)
James MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Essex Local Time: 06:35 AM Posts: 1,005 Offline	so is it true you should leave it in reverse no matter which way your facing? Crammy

May 7th, 2007, 10:48 PM	#15 (permalink)
DerekH MINI2 Master Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fraserburgh Local Time: 07:35 AM Posts: 827 Offline	Also if on very steep hill angle wheels towards the kerb as if was to move would be stopped with the kerb, also as roland said harder to turn over engine in low gear

May 8th, 2007, 08:18 AM	#17 (permalink)
CC07ERS TYPE R GT VTEC POWERED My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Type R GT Local Time: 06:35 AM Posts: 2,718 Offline	I left mine not in gear & rolled down a hill into a wall ,not funny when you have to repair oit yourself.

May 8th, 2007, 10:30 AM	#18 (permalink)
hyperbluejames Ashes and dust Maximus! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hertfordshire Local Time: 07:35 AM Posts: 654 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by CC07ERS (original) I left mine not in gear & rolled down a hill into a wall ,not funny when you have to repair oit yourself. Yep...exactly the same happened with me...guess what? I always leave it in gear now and almost break my arm putting the handbrake on as high as I physically can. This was an R50 though. James

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