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rb197 · May 28th, 2008, 08:47 PM

Drove the S at the dealer today. Impressions was as good as I expected. Loving the lift off oversteer on roundabouts. Lots of torque from the engine which would be very good for some tracks.

Specced up a new S which would cost £17k. May go for a 56-07 plate and fit an LSD when we start build on the car. Can anyone confirm whether the factory LSD on post march 07 cars fit?

Also what kind of price can I expect to find a 56-07 plate S for? Only need a/c and LSD.

Thanks

Benny No.1 · May 28th, 2008, 09:22 PM

Are you building a track car then?

rb197 · May 28th, 2008, 09:27 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Benny No.1 (original)

Are you building a track car then?

Close. It'll be a race car for the BARC / Dunlop Sport Maxx Cup.

FergusM · May 29th, 2008, 06:22 PM

I have an 07 with LSD...so there should be others out there, save you having to swap one in.

rb197 · May 29th, 2008, 07:17 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by FergusM (original)

I have an 07 with LSD...so there should be others out there, save you having to swap one in.

All the 07 S on autotrader etc don't seem to have LSD listed. Don't want to spend too much on one with too much options as they won't be any use. If we have to retrofit the LSD it won't be too bad as the clutch will need changing anyway.

Benny No.1 · May 29th, 2008, 09:08 PM

If you are willing to go the the extent of retro fitting an LSD is there not something better than the OEM unit?

FergusM · May 29th, 2008, 09:36 PM

And will fitting a LSD not mean a new gear box ? I thought that was where it was contained.....??

...though could be completely wrong.

And people that spec LSD probably end up spec'ing lots of other things (like me) so might be tricky to get one cheap.

rb197 · May 29th, 2008, 11:17 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Benny No.1 (original)

If you are willing to go the the extent of retro fitting an LSD is there not something better than the OEM unit?

We are only allowed by regulations to fit the manufacturer gear box so no aftermarket LSD.

I'm sure the LSD would just replace the diff in there already same as any aftermarket diff. Seen a 56 plate and 07 plate on autotrader for under £14k.

neilobe · May 29th, 2008, 11:26 PM

Im sure Quaife do LSD , its apparentley a much better diff than the standard one, take a look at there website. Youll need the gearbox out though so could be expensive..

rb197 · May 30th, 2008, 12:02 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by neilobe (original)

Im sure Quaife do LSD , its apparentley a much better diff than the standard one, take a look at there website. Youll need the gearbox out though so could be expensive..

Shame the Quaife is an aftermarket item. May run the car for the last two rounds of this season with the standard diff then fit one for next season.

Benny No.1 · May 30th, 2008, 08:12 AM

Do the regulations state you have to keep it stock? what headroom to you have for changes?

rb197 · May 30th, 2008, 12:27 PM

We can:

Stripped interior with cage and seats etc
Remap
Oil cooler
Standard induction system (air filtration material free)
New exhaust downstream of manifold (no de cats)
Standard ECU and fuel injection
New damper, spring and top mounts
Standard manufacturer transmission
Standard disc and caliper as fitted by manufacturer ( can fit upgrades available in showroom)
Brake friction material free
Standard wheels
Dunlop SP Sport Maxx Tyres

Benny No.1 · May 30th, 2008, 12:40 PM

Well the JCW 4 Pot kit will be out soon so you can fit them! Also the new JCW 17 inch wheels from the factory car are light and available from any dealer. Few companies out there that offer remaps of around 210 bhp one of which is reviewed on this site somewhere. Milltek do a sport cat and cat back system. Are these all legal?

rb197 · May 30th, 2008, 01:51 PM

They should be all legal. May not opt for a Milltek though. Wonder what exhaust is fitted on the challenge cars.

Aiming for 160bhp/tonne max so won't go into the bottom of the top class. Estimating weight of 1170-80kg means we need around 190bhp. The rolling road used by the championship seems to undermeasure so maybe we can have more power.

Benny No.1 · May 30th, 2008, 02:43 PM

Well good luck! keeps us up dated on your build progress. Sounds interesting! As for the exhaust for the challenge cars, I 'think' the engine spec is the same as the factory JCW car. So if you look up the info on that it should be similar if not the same.

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As For 190bhp i think if you get a decent free flowing exhaust/cat will get you there, seeing that some stock R56 MCS are pulling 180-185 on dynos... or get the JCW dealer kit fitted if just for the air box and ECU tweaks.

rb197 · May 30th, 2008, 03:35 PM

Think we'll just run it with new filter and exhaust for the last 2 rounds of this season before fitting new stuff for next year like the brakes, new wheels etc.

Pop along to the race or test days next year. I'm sure we can get a seat in the car for the passenger.

May 28th, 2008, 08:47 PM	#1
rb197 MINI2 Newbie My Classifieds Join Date: May 2008 Local Time: 12:22 PM Posts: 25 Offline	Finally test drove the S Drove the S at the dealer today. Impressions was as good as I expected. Loving the lift off oversteer on roundabouts. Lots of torque from the engine which would be very good for some tracks. Specced up a new S which would cost £17k. May go for a 56-07 plate and fit an LSD when we start build on the car. Can anyone confirm whether the factory LSD on post march 07 cars fit? Also what kind of price can I expect to find a 56-07 plate S for? Only need a/c and LSD. Thanks

May 28th, 2008, 09:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
Benny No.1 Boosted My Classifieds Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chelmsford, Essex Local Time: 11:22 AM Posts: 377 Offline	Are you building a track car then? .: R56 Cooper S : Dyno'd 192bhp :. .: H&R Springs : JCW Discs : Forge BOV : Alta CAI :.

May 29th, 2008, 09:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
Benny No.1 Boosted My Classifieds Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chelmsford, Essex Local Time: 11:22 AM Posts: 377 Offline	If you are willing to go the the extent of retro fitting an LSD is there not something better than the OEM unit? .: R56 Cooper S : Dyno'd 192bhp :. .: H&R Springs : JCW Discs : Forge BOV : Alta CAI :.

May 30th, 2008, 08:12 AM	#11 (permalink)
Benny No.1 Boosted My Classifieds Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chelmsford, Essex Local Time: 11:22 AM Posts: 377 Offline	Do the regulations state you have to keep it stock? what headroom to you have for changes? .: R56 Cooper S : Dyno'd 192bhp :. .: H&R Springs : JCW Discs : Forge BOV : Alta CAI :.

May 30th, 2008, 12:40 PM	#13 (permalink)
Benny No.1 Boosted My Classifieds Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chelmsford, Essex Local Time: 11:22 AM Posts: 377 Offline	Well the JCW 4 Pot kit will be out soon so you can fit them! Also the new JCW 17 inch wheels from the factory car are light and available from any dealer. Few companies out there that offer remaps of around 210 bhp one of which is reviewed on this site somewhere. Milltek do a sport cat and cat back system. Are these all legal? .: R56 Cooper S : Dyno'd 192bhp :. .: H&R Springs : JCW Discs : Forge BOV : Alta CAI :.

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May 28th, 2008, 09:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
rb197 MINI2 Newbie My Classifieds Join Date: May 2008 Local Time: 12:22 PM Posts: 25 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Benny No.1 (original) Are you building a track car then? Close. It'll be a race car for the BARC / Dunlop Sport Maxx Cup.

May 29th, 2008, 06:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
FergusM MINI2 Senior Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Glasgow Local Time: 12:22 PM Posts: 692 Offline	I have an 07 with LSD...so there should be others out there, save you having to swap one in.

May 29th, 2008, 07:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
rb197 MINI2 Newbie My Classifieds Join Date: May 2008 Local Time: 12:22 PM Posts: 25 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by FergusM (original) I have an 07 with LSD...so there should be others out there, save you having to swap one in. All the 07 S on autotrader etc don't seem to have LSD listed. Don't want to spend too much on one with too much options as they won't be any use. If we have to retrofit the LSD it won't be too bad as the clutch will need changing anyway.

May 29th, 2008, 09:36 PM	#7 (permalink)
FergusM MINI2 Senior Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Glasgow Local Time: 12:22 PM Posts: 692 Offline	And will fitting a LSD not mean a new gear box ? I thought that was where it was contained.....?? ...though could be completely wrong. And people that spec LSD probably end up spec'ing lots of other things (like me) so might be tricky to get one cheap.

May 29th, 2008, 11:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
rb197 MINI2 Newbie My Classifieds Join Date: May 2008 Local Time: 12:22 PM Posts: 25 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Benny No.1 (original) If you are willing to go the the extent of retro fitting an LSD is there not something better than the OEM unit? We are only allowed by regulations to fit the manufacturer gear box so no aftermarket LSD. I'm sure the LSD would just replace the diff in there already same as any aftermarket diff. Seen a 56 plate and 07 plate on autotrader for under £14k.

May 29th, 2008, 11:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
neilobe MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Herts Local Time: 11:22 AM Posts: 480 Offline	Im sure Quaife do LSD , its apparentley a much better diff than the standard one, take a look at there website. Youll need the gearbox out though so could be expensive..

May 30th, 2008, 12:02 AM	#10 (permalink)
rb197 MINI2 Newbie My Classifieds Join Date: May 2008 Local Time: 12:22 PM Posts: 25 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by neilobe (original) Im sure Quaife do LSD , its apparentley a much better diff than the standard one, take a look at there website. Youll need the gearbox out though so could be expensive.. Shame the Quaife is an aftermarket item. May run the car for the last two rounds of this season with the standard diff then fit one for next season.

May 30th, 2008, 12:27 PM	#12 (permalink)
rb197 MINI2 Newbie My Classifieds Join Date: May 2008 Local Time: 12:22 PM Posts: 25 Offline	We can: Stripped interior with cage and seats etc Remap Oil cooler Standard induction system (air filtration material free) New exhaust downstream of manifold (no de cats) Standard ECU and fuel injection New damper, spring and top mounts Standard manufacturer transmission Standard disc and caliper as fitted by manufacturer ( can fit upgrades available in showroom) Brake friction material free Standard wheels Dunlop SP Sport Maxx Tyres

May 30th, 2008, 01:51 PM	#14 (permalink)
rb197 MINI2 Newbie My Classifieds Join Date: May 2008 Local Time: 12:22 PM Posts: 25 Offline	They should be all legal. May not opt for a Milltek though. Wonder what exhaust is fitted on the challenge cars. Aiming for 160bhp/tonne max so won't go into the bottom of the top class. Estimating weight of 1170-80kg means we need around 190bhp. The rolling road used by the championship seems to undermeasure so maybe we can have more power.

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May 30th, 2008, 02:43 PM	#15 (permalink)
Benny No.1 Boosted My Classifieds Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chelmsford, Essex Local Time: 11:22 AM Posts: 377 Offline	Well good luck! keeps us up dated on your build progress. Sounds interesting! As for the exhaust for the challenge cars, I 'think' the engine spec is the same as the factory JCW car. So if you look up the info on that it should be similar if not the same. MotoringFile » Archive » MINI John Cooper Works Officially Released As For 190bhp i think if you get a decent free flowing exhaust/cat will get you there, seeing that some stock R56 MCS are pulling 180-185 on dynos... or get the JCW dealer kit fitted if just for the air box and ECU tweaks. .: R56 Cooper S : Dyno'd 192bhp :. .: H&R Springs : JCW Discs : Forge BOV : Alta CAI :.

May 30th, 2008, 03:35 PM	#16 (permalink)
rb197 MINI2 Newbie My Classifieds Join Date: May 2008 Local Time: 12:22 PM Posts: 25 Offline	Think we'll just run it with new filter and exhaust for the last 2 rounds of this season before fitting new stuff for next year like the brakes, new wheels etc. Pop along to the race or test days next year. I'm sure we can get a seat in the car for the passenger.

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