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KenL · Nov 13th, 2006, 08:38 PM

OK, "if" I were to drive an R56, liked it and wanted to order a Cooper what do people think is the way to go regarding options?

I'm looking at getting a decent return when I trade it so do not want any fancy stuff like SatNav which is not of much use to me or any worthless options. Wheels no bigger than 16" either!

Colour I am set on is red/black

Is chilli a neccessity or should I just go for a bog standard car with a few option or perhaps Pepper pack?

So, please give me your thoughts on what you consider would give the best value, yet nice to own MINI.

KPKalle · Nov 13th, 2006, 08:41 PM

I would go for CHILI - it's got some of the "basic" luxuries. And if you're going for red or black then you ain't going too far wrong

Conor · Nov 13th, 2006, 08:42 PM

Chilli pack (an absolute must)
Rooster red color line
Piano Black Dash
MFSW
Chrome Line Interior

KenL · Nov 13th, 2006, 08:45 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Conor (original)

Chilli pack (an absolute must)
Rooster red color line
Piano Black Dash
MFSW
Chrome Line Interior

What seats, red/black? I would need to see the red colour line, might be too OTT for my tastes.

rec · Nov 13th, 2006, 08:45 PM

have a look at mine http://www.recrudesce.co.uk/mini-spec.pdf :]

KenL · Nov 13th, 2006, 08:46 PM

Oh, another question.

Why do they charge for red, blue & yellow colour line whereas cream & grey are FOC?

KenL · Nov 13th, 2006, 08:48 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by rec (original)

have a look at mine http://www.recrudesce.co.uk/mini-spec.pdf :]

Link not working, or is it just me?

KPKalle · Nov 13th, 2006, 08:51 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original)

Oh, another question.

Why do they charge for red, blue & yellow colour line whereas cream & grey are FOC?

Erm I think cream is charged too

KenL · Nov 13th, 2006, 08:57 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by KPKalle (original)

Erm I think cream is charged too

I don't think it is on the UK site!

Is there any physical difference (other than colour) between dark grey & red?

Scrogg · Nov 13th, 2006, 09:15 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original)

Why do they charge for red, blue & yellow colour line whereas cream & grey are FOC?

All five Colour Lines are £90 as a 'stand-alone' option, but Dark Grey and Cream White are included (not FOC) with certain leather upholstery choices.

As Mellow Yellow, Pacific Blue and Rooster Red are not automatically included with any upholstery they will always appear as a cost option.

If you have specified the CHILI Pack then, yes, Dark Grey is included and will be shown as a 'FOC'.

Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original)

Is there any physical difference (other than colour) between dark grey & red?

All five Colour Lines are the same, in that they are 'soft touch' plastic, as opposed to the 'hard' plastic of the dash top and door cards. If no Colour Line is specified then the knee roll area of the dash and armrest section of the door is hard plastic like everything else.

KenL · Nov 13th, 2006, 09:19 PM

Thanks for that Scrogg.

Seems strange they charge £90 if you opt for the red/black seats in CHILLI.

Scrogg · Nov 13th, 2006, 09:27 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original)

So, please give me your thoughts on what you consider would give the best value, yet nice to own MINI.

Looking at this from a purely rational and financial point-of-view, ignoring completely the emotional side of buying and owning a MINI, I would recommend the following:

Chili Red/Black (although Chili Red/White is more popular)
CHILI Pack (un-enhanced)
MFSW
Visibility Pack

The CHILI Pack is a better choice than the cheaper PEPPER Pack because the MINI is optimised to run on 16" wheels, more people want it, and you will get the difference back come resale time. Simple.

Any other options will have absolutely no positive effect on the resale value whatsoever.

I'll leave this now for others to argue about options they like being good value, but from the point-of-view of financial sense, you simply will not beat this spec.

(Sits back and waits for the abuse to start!)

Scrogg · Nov 13th, 2006, 09:30 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original)

Seems strange they charge £90 if you opt for the red/black seats in CHILLI.

That is strange, as you would think the red and blue would, logically, be automatically included with the half leather of the same colour, wouldn't you?

I don't think I will ever fully explain the rationale behind most decisions made by MINI!

KenL · Nov 13th, 2006, 09:37 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Scrogg (original)

The CHILI Pack is a better choice than the cheaper PEPPER Pack because the MINI is optimised to run on 16" wheels, more people want it, and you will get the difference back come resale time. Simple.

That's the kind of info I'm after

Do you think a Chilli MINI would be worth, say, £600 more than a Pepper MINI after three years? Therefore retaining a decent portion of the additional outlay when new?

Scrogg · Nov 13th, 2006, 09:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original)

Do you think a Chilli MINI would be worth, say, £600 more than a Pepper MINI after three years? Therefore retaining a decent portion of the additional outlay when new?

Nobody can predict the future, but going by Glass's Guide values for current model, same-age Coopers, the difference in value between PEPPER and CHILI has always been, pretty much, the same as the difference in cost new.

Basically, if you spend it now, you get it back at resale, and have a nicer spec car that will be more desirable in a few years time!

KenL · Nov 13th, 2006, 09:53 PM

OK Scrogg, thanks for that. Guess Chilli is the way to go.

Having a play on MINI.co.uk I specced:

Cooper red/black
bonnet stripes
chilli (either black or red/back seats)
Fluid silver dash/door trim (like piano black but may be too dark inside?)
ASC+T
Possibly the other 16" wheels over the standard Chilli ones.

rec · Nov 13th, 2006, 09:55 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original)

Link not working, or is it just me?

oops, http://www.recrudesce.co.uk/mini_spec.pdf

i didn't spec the Chili pack cos it was twice as much basically... couldn't afford it.

KPKalle · Nov 13th, 2006, 09:59 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Scrogg (original)

All five Colour Lines are £90 as a 'stand-alone' option, but Dark Grey and Cream White are included (not FOC) with certain leather upholstery choices.

Definitely £90 even with Lounge Leather

Scrogg · Nov 13th, 2006, 09:59 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original)

OK Scrogg, thanks for that. Guess Chilli is the way to go.

Having a play on MINI.co.uk I specced:

Cooper red/black
bonnet stripes
chilli (either black or red/back seats)
Fluid silver dash/door trim (like piano black but may be too dark inside?)
ASC+T
Possibly the other 16" wheels over the standard Chilli ones.

I agree with you on the Piano Black being too dark, much as I love it, so Fluid Silver is a much 'safer' choice.

As for the wheels, go with what you prefer, but Blasters will be more popular on a used car, as they look more sporty.

Just to show I never listen to my own advice though, this is what my next one will look like:

Model
MINI Cooper

Colour
Chili Red with White Roof and Chrome Door Mirror Caps

Interior
Carbon Black/Rooster Red Ray Cloth/Leather
Rooster Red Colour Line
Fluid Silver Interior Trim

Options
PEPPER Pack*
3-Spoke Sports Leather Steering Wheel
6 Disc CD Changer
ASC+T
Bi-Xenon Headlights
Front Sports Seats
Heated Door Mirrors & Washerjets
Hi-Fi Speaker System
Multi-Function Steering Wheel
Sport Button
Sports Suspension
Visibility Pack
White Indicator Lenses
White MINI Bonnet Stripes

Accessories
18" R95 John Cooper Works Alloy Wheels
Aerodynamic Kit
Aerodynamic Rear Spoiler
Chequered Flag Roof Decal
Chequered Flag A-Pillar Decals (many thanks to The Lady Peanut and CooperBeast for inspiration!)
Front Spotlamps
MINI Cooper S Fuel Filler Cap

All coming in at almost bang on £21,000.00!

*I've put the PEPPER Pack instead of CHILI Pack as it works out over £300 cheaper to add the 3-Spoke Sports Leather Steering Wheel and Sports Front Seats as stand-alone options, and means the standard rear spoiler would not have to be removed to make way for the Aerodynamic Rear Spoiler. It would also then come with the MINI Mobility System that I would need as I would not have run-flats on the 18" JCW alloys.

KenL · Nov 13th, 2006, 10:04 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by rec (original)

oops, http://www.recrudesce.co.uk/mini_spec.pdf

i didn't spec the Chili pack cos it was twice as much basically... couldn't afford it.

Looks very nice. I would probably have gone for metallic black but my current car is that colour and red is free

DSC is a great choice.

I have a similar system on my Golf. Very poor that such an important safety feature is an option. I would rather they include it and increase the base price by say £200!

The mkV Golf has this included in the price on even the base 1.4 car with 75bhp!

Nov 13th, 2006, 08:38 PM	#1
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 05:45 AM Posts: 5,216 Offline	Help speccin a Cooper. OK, "if" I were to drive an R56, liked it and wanted to order a Cooper what do people think is the way to go regarding options? I'm looking at getting a decent return when I trade it so do not want any fancy stuff like SatNav which is not of much use to me or any worthless options. Wheels no bigger than 16" either! Colour I am set on is red/black Is chilli a neccessity or should I just go for a bog standard car with a few option or perhaps Pepper pack? So, please give me your thoughts on what you consider would give the best value, yet nice to own MINI.

Nov 13th, 2006, 08:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
KPKalle Knight of the Round Table Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Midhurst, Sussex Local Time: 05:45 AM Posts: 21,279 Offline	I would go for CHILI - it's got some of the "basic" luxuries. And if you're going for red or black then you ain't going too far wrong Global Moderator

Nov 13th, 2006, 08:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
rec Not a happy bunny. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Scotthall MINI Often Local Time: 05:45 AM Posts: 1,217 Offline	have a look at mine http://www.recrudesce.co.uk/mini-spec.pdf :] Got an R56 ? Flaunt It ! http://www.mini2.com/forum/general-d...st-ya-r56.html

Nov 13th, 2006, 08:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
KPKalle Knight of the Round Table Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Midhurst, Sussex Local Time: 05:45 AM Posts: 21,279 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original) Oh, another question. Why do they charge for red, blue & yellow colour line whereas cream & grey are FOC? Erm I think cream is charged too Global Moderator

Nov 13th, 2006, 09:55 PM	#17 (permalink)
rec Not a happy bunny. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Scotthall MINI Often Local Time: 05:45 AM Posts: 1,217 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original) Link not working, or is it just me? oops, http://www.recrudesce.co.uk/mini_spec.pdf i didn't spec the Chili pack cos it was twice as much basically... couldn't afford it. Got an R56 ? Flaunt It ! http://www.mini2.com/forum/general-d...st-ya-r56.html

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Nov 13th, 2006, 08:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
Conor Playing the waiting game. Join Date: Oct 2006 Local Time: 05:45 AM Posts: 71 Offline	Chilli pack (an absolute must) Rooster red color line Piano Black Dash MFSW Chrome Line Interior

Nov 13th, 2006, 08:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 05:45 AM Posts: 5,216 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Conor (original) Chilli pack (an absolute must) Rooster red color line Piano Black Dash MFSW Chrome Line Interior What seats, red/black? I would need to see the red colour line, might be too OTT for my tastes.

Nov 13th, 2006, 08:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 05:45 AM Posts: 5,216 Offline	Oh, another question. Why do they charge for red, blue & yellow colour line whereas cream & grey are FOC?

Nov 13th, 2006, 08:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 05:45 AM Posts: 5,216 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by rec (original) have a look at mine http://www.recrudesce.co.uk/mini-spec.pdf :] Link not working, or is it just me?

Nov 13th, 2006, 08:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 05:45 AM Posts: 5,216 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by KPKalle (original) Erm I think cream is charged too I don't think it is on the UK site! Is there any physical difference (other than colour) between dark grey & red?

Nov 13th, 2006, 09:15 PM	#10 (permalink)
Scrogg YLYP Reclamation Squad Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gloucester Local Time: 05:45 AM Posts: 15,246 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original) Why do they charge for red, blue & yellow colour line whereas cream & grey are FOC? All five Colour Lines are £90 as a 'stand-alone' option, but Dark Grey and Cream White are included (not FOC) with certain leather upholstery choices. As Mellow Yellow, Pacific Blue and Rooster Red are not automatically included with any upholstery they will always appear as a cost option. If you have specified the CHILI Pack then, yes, Dark Grey is included and will be shown as a 'FOC'. Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original) Is there any physical difference (other than colour) between dark grey & red? All five Colour Lines are the same, in that they are 'soft touch' plastic, as opposed to the 'hard' plastic of the dash top and door cards. If no Colour Line is specified then the knee roll area of the dash and armrest section of the door is hard plastic like everything else.

Nov 13th, 2006, 09:19 PM	#11 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 05:45 AM Posts: 5,216 Offline	Thanks for that Scrogg. Seems strange they charge £90 if you opt for the red/black seats in CHILLI.

Nov 13th, 2006, 09:27 PM	#12 (permalink)
Scrogg YLYP Reclamation Squad Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gloucester Local Time: 05:45 AM Posts: 15,246 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original) So, please give me your thoughts on what you consider would give the best value, yet nice to own MINI. Looking at this from a purely rational and financial point-of-view, ignoring completely the emotional side of buying and owning a MINI, I would recommend the following: Chili Red/Black (although Chili Red/White is more popular) CHILI Pack (un-enhanced) MFSW Visibility Pack The CHILI Pack is a better choice than the cheaper PEPPER Pack because the MINI is optimised to run on 16" wheels, more people want it, and you will get the difference back come resale time. Simple. Any other options will have absolutely no positive effect on the resale value whatsoever. I'll leave this now for others to argue about options they like being good value, but from the point-of-view of financial sense, you simply will not beat this spec. (Sits back and waits for the abuse to start!)

Nov 13th, 2006, 09:30 PM	#13 (permalink)
Scrogg YLYP Reclamation Squad Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gloucester Local Time: 05:45 AM Posts: 15,246 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original) Seems strange they charge £90 if you opt for the red/black seats in CHILLI. That is strange, as you would think the red and blue would, logically, be automatically included with the half leather of the same colour, wouldn't you? I don't think I will ever fully explain the rationale behind most decisions made by MINI!

Nov 13th, 2006, 09:37 PM	#14 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 05:45 AM Posts: 5,216 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Scrogg (original) The CHILI Pack is a better choice than the cheaper PEPPER Pack because the MINI is optimised to run on 16" wheels, more people want it, and you will get the difference back come resale time. Simple. That's the kind of info I'm after Do you think a Chilli MINI would be worth, say, £600 more than a Pepper MINI after three years? Therefore retaining a decent portion of the additional outlay when new?

Nov 13th, 2006, 09:44 PM	#15 (permalink)
Scrogg YLYP Reclamation Squad Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gloucester Local Time: 05:45 AM Posts: 15,246 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original) Do you think a Chilli MINI would be worth, say, £600 more than a Pepper MINI after three years? Therefore retaining a decent portion of the additional outlay when new? Nobody can predict the future, but going by Glass's Guide values for current model, same-age Coopers, the difference in value between PEPPER and CHILI has always been, pretty much, the same as the difference in cost new. Basically, if you spend it now, you get it back at resale, and have a nicer spec car that will be more desirable in a few years time!

Nov 13th, 2006, 09:53 PM	#16 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 05:45 AM Posts: 5,216 Offline	OK Scrogg, thanks for that. Guess Chilli is the way to go. Having a play on MINI.co.uk I specced: Cooper red/black bonnet stripes chilli (either black or red/back seats) Fluid silver dash/door trim (like piano black but may be too dark inside?) ASC+T Possibly the other 16" wheels over the standard Chilli ones.

Nov 13th, 2006, 09:59 PM	#18 (permalink)
KPKalle Knight of the Round Table Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Midhurst, Sussex Local Time: 05:45 AM Posts: 21,279 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Scrogg (original) All five Colour Lines are £90 as a 'stand-alone' option, but Dark Grey and Cream White are included (not FOC) with certain leather upholstery choices. Definitely £90 even with Lounge Leather Global Moderator

Nov 13th, 2006, 09:59 PM	#19 (permalink)
Scrogg YLYP Reclamation Squad Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gloucester Local Time: 05:45 AM Posts: 15,246 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original) OK Scrogg, thanks for that. Guess Chilli is the way to go. Having a play on MINI.co.uk I specced: Cooper red/black bonnet stripes chilli (either black or red/back seats) Fluid silver dash/door trim (like piano black but may be too dark inside?) ASC+T Possibly the other 16" wheels over the standard Chilli ones. I agree with you on the Piano Black being too dark, much as I love it, so Fluid Silver is a much 'safer' choice. As for the wheels, go with what you prefer, but Blasters will be more popular on a used car, as they look more sporty. Just to show I never listen to my own advice though, this is what my next one will look like: Model MINI Cooper Colour Chili Red with White Roof and Chrome Door Mirror Caps Interior Carbon Black/Rooster Red Ray Cloth/Leather Rooster Red Colour Line Fluid Silver Interior Trim Options PEPPER Pack* 3-Spoke Sports Leather Steering Wheel 6 Disc CD Changer ASC+T Bi-Xenon Headlights Front Sports Seats Heated Door Mirrors & Washerjets Hi-Fi Speaker System Multi-Function Steering Wheel Sport Button Sports Suspension Visibility Pack White Indicator Lenses White MINI Bonnet Stripes Accessories 18" R95 John Cooper Works Alloy Wheels Aerodynamic Kit Aerodynamic Rear Spoiler Chequered Flag Roof Decal Chequered Flag A-Pillar Decals (many thanks to The Lady Peanut and CooperBeast for inspiration!) Front Spotlamps MINI Cooper S Fuel Filler Cap All coming in at almost bang on £21,000.00! *I've put the PEPPER Pack instead of CHILI Pack as it works out over £300 cheaper to add the 3-Spoke Sports Leather Steering Wheel and Sports Front Seats as stand-alone options, and means the standard rear spoiler would not have to be removed to make way for the Aerodynamic Rear Spoiler. It would also then come with the MINI Mobility System that I would need as I would not have run-flats on the 18" JCW alloys.

Nov 13th, 2006, 10:04 PM	#20 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 05:45 AM Posts: 5,216 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by rec (original) oops, http://www.recrudesce.co.uk/mini_spec.pdf i didn't spec the Chili pack cos it was twice as much basically... couldn't afford it. Looks very nice. I would probably have gone for metallic black but my current car is that colour and red is free DSC is a great choice. I have a similar system on my Golf. Very poor that such an important safety feature is an option. I would rather they include it and increase the base price by say £200! The mkV Golf has this included in the price on even the base 1.4 car with 75bhp!

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