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eggtruck · Jun 5th, 2007, 09:48 AM

Suzuki is a budget car brand but I guess the Swift is one of the closest looking cars to the Mini. Shame its performance didnt match.

neston4nomads · Jun 5th, 2007, 09:49 AM

The otherday i saw a swift with a chequred roof and bonnet stripes.

mister.t · Jun 5th, 2007, 12:18 PM

I was going to start a thread but the Aston was too nice to miss

Very low spec Cooper, but it did the bizo. Very pleased to see it win. We looked at all sorts before getting our Cooper, anything from Focus ST and Megane CC and everything in between, but the R56 pipped them all of desirability, looks, options, and because its a Mini.

SiMINImon · Jun 5th, 2007, 12:47 PM

I tend to think of Fifth Gear as 'motoring methodone'. Yes, it's a TV show about cars, but it's not the same as Top Gear (despite trying to be)! Bring on the next series...

mister.t · Jun 7th, 2007, 07:57 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by SiMINImon (original)

I tend to think of Fifth Gear as 'motoring methodone'. Yes, it's a TV show about cars, but it's not the same as Top Gear (despite trying to be)! Bring on the next series...

Yep couldn't agree with ya more. Much better than Eastenders though

~Marcus~ · Jun 8th, 2007, 01:42 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Hartge210 (original)

Even Tiffany couldn't get the Cooper oversteering

Well done Cooper

That's funny I did on my first run with my new Cooper

I must have really have been pushing it!

Rob PLCPR · Jun 8th, 2007, 02:04 PM

I had such a smile on my face when the mini won, i can now grrrrrr harder at those swift owners round carlisle that think they are summit special!!! - they try and take us on up here in them, with their checkered mirrors n stripes!!! gets me wound up ayy!!! ha ha ha

JG.26 · Jun 11th, 2007, 09:20 PM

If the Swift Sport was say a Grand cheaper it would be a fantastic buy, it's just that tad overpriced. I owned a 1.5 GLX alongside my Cooper S and loved the Swift. I think many of those who disregard the Swift as a Wannabee MINI should look at Suzuki's racing pedigree and heritage. Suzuki aren't stupid and have a produced a fine car in the Swift. Never found a problem with the clutch thats been mentioned, gear change was nice and slick and handling was fun and fluid and preferred the ride to the MINI. More practical also than the MINI with a more useful boot. Yes it's not as sturdy feeling as the MINI but depends how you look at it, I Iiked the lighweight feel when nipping around town where the MINI felt like a lead foot in comparison at times. On a longer trip I would choose the MINI for overall refinement but as has been mentioned about the Swift before on here it's not a MINI in drag, it's a good little car in it's own right.

Forgot to say have also found the Swift better screwed together than the current crop of MINI's and no nasty plastic centre console

jamesbeaumont · Jun 13th, 2007, 09:26 PM

YouTube - Fifth Gear - Suzuki Swift Sport vs Mini Cooper

There we go guys! Theres the video.
Interesting Tiff says the swift is lighter but in EVO its heavier!
20 bhp more and the swift wouldnt stand a chance! Sadly the lap times cant be compared between the old and new cooper as its a different test track but it can be compared to the Corsa VXR...which amazingly is only 2 seconds quicker! The Clio 197 is 1.5 seconds quicker than the VXR

Sambo99 · Jul 14th, 2007, 10:50 PM

I had a guy at work last week tell me that he reckons that his Swift would easily beat a MCS around a track (when mine arrives and has a worn in motor we will see). To see that the swift sport is competing with a standard cooper is interesting... I might have to see the comparison between the Cooper S and the Swift sport in real life (in controlled conditions on a track of course :P)

jamesbeaumont · Jul 15th, 2007, 12:05 PM

Cleary the swift would have no chance....You should show him this video. I would think the MCS will have a similar time to the 197

KenL · Jul 15th, 2007, 06:50 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by jamesbeaumont (original)

Cleary the swift would have no chance....You should show him this video. I would think the MCS will have a similar time to the 197

Hi James,

What video?

Ta

jamesbeaumont · Jul 15th, 2007, 11:17 PM

oh sorry I was meaning the clip from fifth gear!

Sambo99 · Jul 16th, 2007, 10:32 AM

I think that I will be showing him the video and this thread :P

Im not sure if he can muster up any videos / forum threads to support his stance tho

Do the swift fanatics have a knowledge base / support network like this???

Gotta love MINI2!!!

jamesbeaumont · Jul 16th, 2007, 04:07 PM

There is a suzuki forum where all the swift sport and ignis (iggy) sport fans gather. Im sure you'll find people there who reckon iggy sports are quicker than coopers but im not so sure about swifts that are quicker then S's..

sprite · Jul 17th, 2007, 07:14 AM

I test drove a Swift Sport at the weekend shortly followed by the new Cooper. I think the swift is great value for money and it did go well. The engine felt a lot more alive than the Cooper but maybe that's just because you could hear it more. It seemed very responsive and handled pretty well (but I can't see it taking on an S - no way!). The interior lets it down a bit - the seats are yuck - much to high.

JG.26 · Jul 17th, 2007, 06:55 PM

It's a little ludicrous comparing the Swift Sport with the Cooper S, 123bhp V's 175 plus the Swift belongs in a cheaper price bracket, having said that I'm a big fan of them, theyre brill little cars and I would have a Swift Sport over a MINI ONE anytime being in a similar price bracket. The Swift inside does look a little on the budget side when you look closely at the plastics, however it's very well screwed together and although cheapish plastics are used, importantly it looks smart. Pound for Pound the MINI ONES interior isn't exactly upmarket in terms of quality anyways. For me the only thing in the MINI's favour is it's residuals.

sprite · Jul 18th, 2007, 07:06 AM

JG, you're so right about the residuals. I was doing my maths last night - whether to keep my 54 Cooper, get a new one or maybe get a Swift. My other half reckoned the Swift would be a great compromise and I could save some money. We were both a bit surprised when we worked it out and the Mini actually comes our cheaper overall. Admittedly, we made an assumption about residuals - I assumed I would get about £8.5 - 9k for my new Cooper in 3 years time and we put 6k for the Swift (which might even be a bit optomistic but it's hard to know as it's so new). So, looks like I'm speccing a new Cooper :-)

jamesbeaumont · Jul 18th, 2007, 04:39 PM

Sprite I agree, Id easily have chosen a swift sport over a ONE, even against a cooper it wasa tough call but there were a few things that swayed me to the cooper...
As you say...residuals are appauling for the swift (30-something% compared to the Minis 60%)
Limited options list
Only 5 gears...pooor economy when at motorway speeds

Jun 5th, 2007, 12:18 PM	#23 (permalink)
mister.t Useless... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nowhere exciting Local Time: 05:42 AM Posts: 4,577 Offline	I was going to start a thread but the Aston was too nice to miss Very low spec Cooper, but it did the bizo. Very pleased to see it win. We looked at all sorts before getting our Cooper, anything from Focus ST and Megane CC and everything in between, but the R56 pipped them all of desirability, looks, options, and because its a Mini. A dream can only become a reality if you chase it... MINI2 Karting

Jun 7th, 2007, 07:57 AM	#25 (permalink)
mister.t Useless... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nowhere exciting Local Time: 05:42 AM Posts: 4,577 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by SiMINImon (original) I tend to think of Fifth Gear as 'motoring methodone'. Yes, it's a TV show about cars, but it's not the same as Top Gear (despite trying to be)! Bring on the next series... Yep couldn't agree with ya more. Much better than Eastenders though A dream can only become a reality if you chase it... MINI2 Karting

Jun 8th, 2007, 01:42 PM	#26 (permalink)
~Marcus~ No JCW for me :o( Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London & Hampshire Local Time: 05:42 AM Posts: 1,950 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Hartge210 (original) Even Tiffany couldn't get the Cooper oversteering Well done Cooper That's funny I did on my first run with my new Cooper I must have really have been pushing it! My Blog

Jun 8th, 2007, 02:04 PM	#27 (permalink)
Rob PLCPR PW/B R56 Cooper is here! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Carlisle, Cumbria Local Time: 04:42 AM Posts: 178 Offline	I had such a smile on my face when the mini won, i can now grrrrrr harder at those swift owners round carlisle that think they are summit special!!! - they try and take us on up here in them, with their checkered mirrors n stripes!!! gets me wound up ayy!!! ha ha ha PW/B R56 Cooper is here!!! Lovin it, Lovin it, Lovin it!!!!

Jun 11th, 2007, 09:20 PM	#28 (permalink)
JG.26 MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Virtual World Local Time: 05:42 AM Posts: 1,063 Offline	If the Swift Sport was say a Grand cheaper it would be a fantastic buy, it's just that tad overpriced. I owned a 1.5 GLX alongside my Cooper S and loved the Swift. I think many of those who disregard the Swift as a Wannabee MINI should look at Suzuki's racing pedigree and heritage. Suzuki aren't stupid and have a produced a fine car in the Swift. Never found a problem with the clutch thats been mentioned, gear change was nice and slick and handling was fun and fluid and preferred the ride to the MINI. More practical also than the MINI with a more useful boot. Yes it's not as sturdy feeling as the MINI but depends how you look at it, I Iiked the lighweight feel when nipping around town where the MINI felt like a lead foot in comparison at times. On a longer trip I would choose the MINI for overall refinement but as has been mentioned about the Swift before on here it's not a MINI in drag, it's a good little car in it's own right. Forgot to say have also found the Swift better screwed together than the current crop of MINI's and no nasty plastic centre console Corsa VXR, Flame Red, 18" Alloys, S&L Pack

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Jun 5th, 2007, 09:48 AM	#21
eggtruck The Estate Agent!! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: South Coast Local Time: 04:42 AM Posts: 269 Offline	Suzuki is a budget car brand but I guess the Swift is one of the closest looking cars to the Mini. Shame its performance didnt match.

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Jun 5th, 2007, 09:49 AM	#22 (permalink)
neston4nomads MINI2 all the time!! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Chester Local Time: 05:42 AM Posts: 143 Offline	The otherday i saw a swift with a chequred roof and bonnet stripes.

Jun 5th, 2007, 12:47 PM	#24 (permalink)
SiMINImon MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bristol Local Time: 05:42 AM Posts: 72 Offline	I tend to think of Fifth Gear as 'motoring methodone'. Yes, it's a TV show about cars, but it's not the same as Top Gear (despite trying to be)! Bring on the next series...

Jun 13th, 2007, 09:26 PM	#29 (permalink)
jamesbeaumont Addicted to MINI... Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 05:42 AM Posts: 454 Offline	YouTube - Fifth Gear - Suzuki Swift Sport vs Mini Cooper There we go guys! Theres the video. Interesting Tiff says the swift is lighter but in EVO its heavier! 20 bhp more and the swift wouldnt stand a chance! Sadly the lap times cant be compared between the old and new cooper as its a different test track but it can be compared to the Corsa VXR...which amazingly is only 2 seconds quicker! The Clio 197 is 1.5 seconds quicker than the VXR

Jul 14th, 2007, 10:50 PM	#30 (permalink)
Sambo99 MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia Local Time: 02:42 PM Posts: 140 Offline	I had a guy at work last week tell me that he reckons that his Swift would easily beat a MCS around a track (when mine arrives and has a worn in motor we will see). To see that the swift sport is competing with a standard cooper is interesting... I might have to see the comparison between the Cooper S and the Swift sport in real life (in controlled conditions on a track of course :P)

Jul 15th, 2007, 12:05 PM	#31 (permalink)
jamesbeaumont Addicted to MINI... Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 05:42 AM Posts: 454 Offline	Cleary the swift would have no chance....You should show him this video. I would think the MCS will have a similar time to the 197

Jul 15th, 2007, 06:50 PM	#32 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 05:42 AM Posts: 5,216 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by jamesbeaumont (original) Cleary the swift would have no chance....You should show him this video. I would think the MCS will have a similar time to the 197 Hi James, What video? Ta Red/Black R56 Cooper

Jul 15th, 2007, 11:17 PM	#33 (permalink)
jamesbeaumont Addicted to MINI... Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 05:42 AM Posts: 454 Offline	oh sorry I was meaning the clip from fifth gear!

Jul 16th, 2007, 10:32 AM	#34 (permalink)
Sambo99 MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia Local Time: 02:42 PM Posts: 140 Offline	I think that I will be showing him the video and this thread :P Im not sure if he can muster up any videos / forum threads to support his stance tho Do the swift fanatics have a knowledge base / support network like this??? Gotta love MINI2!!!

Jul 16th, 2007, 04:07 PM	#35 (permalink)
jamesbeaumont Addicted to MINI... Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 05:42 AM Posts: 454 Offline	There is a suzuki forum where all the swift sport and ignis (iggy) sport fans gather. Im sure you'll find people there who reckon iggy sports are quicker than coopers but im not so sure about swifts that are quicker then S's..

Jul 17th, 2007, 07:14 AM	#36 (permalink)
sprite MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2004 Local Time: 04:42 AM Posts: 333 Offline	I test drove a Swift Sport at the weekend shortly followed by the new Cooper. I think the swift is great value for money and it did go well. The engine felt a lot more alive than the Cooper but maybe that's just because you could hear it more. It seemed very responsive and handled pretty well (but I can't see it taking on an S - no way!). The interior lets it down a bit - the seats are yuck - much to high.

Jul 17th, 2007, 06:55 PM	#37 (permalink)
JG.26 MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Virtual World Local Time: 05:42 AM Posts: 1,063 Offline	It's a little ludicrous comparing the Swift Sport with the Cooper S, 123bhp V's 175 plus the Swift belongs in a cheaper price bracket, having said that I'm a big fan of them, theyre brill little cars and I would have a Swift Sport over a MINI ONE anytime being in a similar price bracket. The Swift inside does look a little on the budget side when you look closely at the plastics, however it's very well screwed together and although cheapish plastics are used, importantly it looks smart. Pound for Pound the MINI ONES interior isn't exactly upmarket in terms of quality anyways. For me the only thing in the MINI's favour is it's residuals. Corsa VXR, Flame Red, 18" Alloys, S&L Pack

Jul 18th, 2007, 07:06 AM	#38 (permalink)
sprite MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2004 Local Time: 04:42 AM Posts: 333 Offline	JG, you're so right about the residuals. I was doing my maths last night - whether to keep my 54 Cooper, get a new one or maybe get a Swift. My other half reckoned the Swift would be a great compromise and I could save some money. We were both a bit surprised when we worked it out and the Mini actually comes our cheaper overall. Admittedly, we made an assumption about residuals - I assumed I would get about £8.5 - 9k for my new Cooper in 3 years time and we put 6k for the Swift (which might even be a bit optomistic but it's hard to know as it's so new). So, looks like I'm speccing a new Cooper :-)

Jul 18th, 2007, 04:39 PM	#39 (permalink)
jamesbeaumont Addicted to MINI... Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 05:42 AM Posts: 454 Offline	Sprite I agree, Id easily have chosen a swift sport over a ONE, even against a cooper it wasa tough call but there were a few things that swayed me to the cooper... As you say...residuals are appauling for the swift (30-something% compared to the Minis 60%) Limited options list Only 5 gears...pooor economy when at motorway speeds

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