[simeds]

how things change eh ! when i had my 998 classic mini with john cooper kit ( twin carbs), you had to fire it up by the third turn of the starter or it would kill the battery. If it took you 3 attempts to fire it up then you had to pray you didn't stall in the next five miles !

[CHRIS27]

Quote: Originally Posted by bobclive (original)

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The arguments and lack of spelling say it all bobclive, maybe you should spend an afternoon swotting up on the system before passing judgement.....

If you don't like it just switch it off, most people don't find it a pain and like to do their bit for the environment, obviously you don't care about this and would just rather speak a load of nonsense.

[bobclive]

Chris27

Your getting *****y,

The first mini2s didn`t have stop/start, the second gen mini2s had stop/start but no brake regeneration and only standard battery, the mini2 D I believe has stop/start and brake regeneration it may have the new type battery which costs approx £275, or it may not.
The economy gained from this system is marginal and not worth the cost in later years especially when the vehicle is outside the warranty period, if this system requires expensive repairs which I believe it will due to excessive wear of components the high resale value of the mini will diminish. I start my mini maybe 6 times per day without the system, with stop start that could be up to sixty.

It is a well known fact that most modern vehicles are not scraped for MOT failure but for electronic component failure. Keep it simple and it will give you trouble free motoring for years.
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[dlpruk]

I know BMW use the term "Brake Energy Regeneration" but it's not a description I'd use because there's no attempt to convert the kinetic energy released by stopping the car. But it does disconnect the alternator unless the brakes are applied and so increase power to the wheels or reduce fuel consumption, whichever way one looks at it.

I've copied the relevant bit of their press release below:

Brake Energy Regeneration (not available in all markets)
This technology ensures that the output from the engine is converted primarily into drive power, with electricity being generated for the on-board network only when the engine is on overrun or during application of the brakes. To achieve this effect the alternator is automatically disengaged from the engine while under power. Accordingly, the power the alternator would consume in the conventional mode now remains fully available for even faster and more dynamic acceleration.

An adequate supply of electrical energy to the on-board system is nevertheless ensured at all times, since the alternator is activated again as soon as the MINI returns to overrun or the driver applies the brakes.

The Bosch press release about stop/start is on their website here if anyone wants to explore that further.

[airbusA346]

Quote: Originally Posted by dlpruk (original)

I know BMW use the term "Brake Energy Regeneration" but it's not a description I'd use because there's no attempt to convert the kinetic energy released by stopping the car. But it does disconnect the alternator unless the brakes are applied and so increase power to the wheels or reduce fuel consumption, whichever way one looks at it.

I've copied the relevant bit of their press release below:

Brake Energy Regeneration (not available in all markets)

This technology ensures that the output from the engine is converted primarily into drive power, with electricity being generated for the on-board network only when the engine is on overrun or during application of the brakes. To achieve this effect the alternator is automatically disengaged from the engine while under power. Accordingly, the power the alternator would consume in the conventional mode now remains fully available for even faster and more dynamic acceleration.

An adequate supply of electrical energy to the on-board system is nevertheless ensured at all times, since the alternator is activated again as soon as the MINI returns to overrun or the driver applies the brakes.

The Bosch press release about stop/start is on their website here if anyone wants to explore that further.

Do all the new R56's have Brake Energy Regeneration (that are coming off the production line now)?

[dlpruk]

Quote: Originally Posted by airbusA346 (original)

Do all the new R56's have Brake Energy Regeneration (that are coming off the production line now)?

I don't think US cars get it yet as the benefits don't effect their official consumption statistics in the way they cut UK ones and so reduce our tax rates. So it would increase sales prices there without giving a benefit that they could promote in the same way.

Dunno about other markets though!

[airbusA346]

Quote: Originally Posted by dlpruk (original)

I don't think US cars get it as the benefits don't effect their official consumption statistics in the way they cut UK ones and so reduce our tax rates. So it would increase sales prices there without giving a benefit that they could promote in the same way.

Dunno about other markets though!

Sorry, I should have put that I meant the UK only.

[bobclive]

You know my view on stop/start, my cooper mk2 is approx 1year old, the petrol consumption over that period is 46mpg with stop/start off.

[Tunster]

To be honest, is it really worth worrying about? I love having the feature and abusing it when I do medium journeys or journeys when going into town with many traffic lights to possibly stop at.

I guess as more cars may hopefully be fitted with this technology (I don't see why not!), then the components involved will drop in price in years to come.

Regardless whether governments around the world I trying to play the carbon-reducing card, then all I can say this going to save me petrol in comparison to people who want to keep the feature off. More pennies in my pocket .

[supa-dupa-cooper]

Dont even get me started on the poxy system

[bobclive]

Tunster,

What`s your MPG extra uban with stop/start.

[ViscountCharles]

Quote: Originally Posted by simeds (original)

how things change eh ! when i had my 998 classic mini with john cooper kit ( twin carbs), you had to fire it up by the third turn of the starter or it would kill the battery. If it took you 3 attempts to fire it up then you had to pray you didn't stall in the next five miles !

I remember it well. My 1275 would also blow the alternator every six months, regular as clockwork - so that I'd end up push-starting the car for a few days until a new alternator could be sorted out.

[Paul]

Alternator?! My first Mini had a dynamo!

[zyo]

Quote: Originally Posted by ViscountCharles (original)

I'd end up push-starting the car for a few days until a new alternator could be sorted out.

I remember having to push my old mini umpeen times at work, cos no body was ever around I used to push it down the car park on my own and then run along side and jump in....seems a little hair brained now I'm a little (lot) older

[Paul]

Quote: Originally Posted by zyo (original)

I remember having to push my old mini umpeen times at work, cos no body was ever around I used to push it down the car park on my own and then run along side and jump in....seems a little hair brained now I'm a little (lot) older

Been there done that, especially in frost and snow... It became an art to find spaces that were either at the top of a hill with a clear "run" or at very least the most slopey spot in the car park!

[Tobes]

The mini dosent have the brake regeneration of the BMW's does it? 99% sure it doesnt.!

[Paul]

Yes it does.




Good job you left that 1%.

[Tobes]

When was the brake regeneration added to the builds mine is a Jan 08 would that haveit

thanks

[appmacguy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tobes (original)

When was the brake regeneration added to the builds mine is a Jan 08 would that haveit

thanks

It was added Sept 07 (57 plate) so yes yours would have it.

[Paul]

Aug 07 production apparently:

http://www.mini2.com/2007/05/25/724m...ries-required/