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msh441 · Dec 21st, 2007, 06:16 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by mini5lover (original)

...I am not prepared to change until something better or even as good comes along.

So again, you had already formed your opinion and it appears that you were just looking for people to agree with you?

Quote: Originally Posted by Roadrunner_1 (original)

Regarding nature of automotive development...there are cars designed and made in the 1960's that are still some of the fastest road cars to date, AC Cobra, Mustang GT500. More recently the Vauxhall Lotus Carlton. We have a Porsche 911 993 Turbo S from 1995 and have never seen a road car keep up, this is including the current crop of Ferrari's, Lambo's and Aston Martin's.

AC Cobras? GT500? Seen any of Carol Shelby's new offerings? That's like arguing the GT40 is faster than the new Ford GT. Any one of them will best either of those cars. Go for the Rousch Rasing Mustang with the independant rear and it'll go faster around a track than the new Shelby's or the supercharged Saleens. There's a reason those cars race in a "vintage" series.

993 Turbo? You're either not running into the right cars, or not finding an equivalent driver. If it's the latter... well, good-on-ya! In reality there are a handfull of models under the same marquis made since the 993 Turbo that are faster around the track (GT3, RS, RSR).

Quote: Originally Posted by kevkbuk (original)

...some seem more prone to thinking a cars fast if it makes more noise and has more stiffer suspension etc.
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Exactly. People confuse a more visceral ride with a faster car. The pitfalls of the butt-dyno. Again, the R53 (JCW or otherwise) has some things going for it that the R56 can't touch. Looks, steering feel, intoxicating SC whine. But when it comes to what moves around a track the best? It's the R56. Track times prove it. Autocross results prove it. Drag & roll-on times prove it. But go ahead and tell yourself otherwise. Whetever makes you happy while motoring along!

Dec 21st, 2007, 06:16 PM	#17
msh441 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pacific NW Local Time: 01:17 PM Posts: 439 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by mini5lover (original) ...I am not prepared to change until something better or even as good comes along. So again, you had already formed your opinion and it appears that you were just looking for people to agree with you? Quote: Originally Posted by Roadrunner_1 (original) Regarding nature of automotive development...there are cars designed and made in the 1960's that are still some of the fastest road cars to date, AC Cobra, Mustang GT500. More recently the Vauxhall Lotus Carlton. We have a Porsche 911 993 Turbo S from 1995 and have never seen a road car keep up, this is including the current crop of Ferrari's, Lambo's and Aston Martin's. AC Cobras? GT500? Seen any of Carol Shelby's new offerings? That's like arguing the GT40 is faster than the new Ford GT. Any one of them will best either of those cars. Go for the Rousch Rasing Mustang with the independant rear and it'll go faster around a track than the new Shelby's or the supercharged Saleens. There's a reason those cars race in a "vintage" series. 993 Turbo? You're either not running into the right cars, or not finding an equivalent driver. If it's the latter... well, good-on-ya! In reality there are a handfull of models under the same marquis made since the 993 Turbo that are faster around the track (GT3, RS, RSR). Quote: Originally Posted by kevkbuk (original) ...some seem more prone to thinking a cars fast if it makes more noise and has more stiffer suspension etc. . Exactly. People confuse a more visceral ride with a faster car. The pitfalls of the butt-dyno. Again, the R53 (JCW or otherwise) has some things going for it that the R56 can't touch. Looks, steering feel, intoxicating SC whine. But when it comes to what moves around a track the best? It's the R56. Track times prove it. Autocross results prove it. Drag & roll-on times prove it. But go ahead and tell yourself otherwise. Whetever makes you happy while motoring along! Founding member of R56 Anonymous: "Hello. My name is Mike. I'm a driving enthusiast... and I still like the R56"