Thanks, I shall forget about the door seal I think. As to the rear seat belt , I was referring to the graphic I had in the rev counter long window. It was of 2 torsos showing whether or not they were crossed with a seatbelt, it was independent of the small red symbol at the top of the speedo, and it came on at start up. I have asked the dealer why this was in my loan cooper hatch but not in my clubman and am still awaiting a response 3 weeks later. Thanks anyway, I will let you know if I get an answer this side of the next millenium!