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Quote: Originally Posted by mini5lover (original)

Ok, around £10,000 to change. You are missing the point though, its not just track times that count here. Swiper is 6.8 secs, the gp is 6.5 and the new works is 6.5. Hellooo! There is not much difference is there? Not enough to spend £10,000 on I dont think. There are a lot of people who agree with me too, but I doubt you will listen to them either.

Quote: Originally Posted by Fin (original)

A track time is more relevant than the 0-60 mph time. Any fool can floor it from a standstill (albeit some better than others). But around a track a car's in-gear acceleration and handling will show its true colours. Case in point, the Corsa VXR vs the Clio 197; there is only 0.1 seconds between them in a sprint to 60 mph, but when tested by 5th Gear the Clio went around the track over a second quicker. Why? Because the chassis could deal with the power better than the Corsa's.

There is not much between a GP, R53 S, R56 S and R56 S JCW to 60 mph I agree. But fling them all around a track with the same driver and they won't all finish in the same time. This was my suggestion to you to test the statement you made that your R53 S is faster than the R56 S JCW, as how fast the car is seems to be the factor you choose in deciding on what car you have.

Quote: Originally Posted by wiggis (original)

But perhaps more relevant to very nearly everyone who actually owns any one of these cars and who never goes near a track, is the time difference one of those cars would yield on a typical drive from your house to Tesco's, or from your office to your house ...... I can see it now "My R53 GP got me to the isle with Muller Light a full second quicker than Swiper", and "The R56 JCW got me to the Parent With Child parking space a full 1.5 seconds faster than the R53 JCW"

Basically, once a car can healthily keep up with traffic and safely overtake the red Rover 214i doing 40 mph on the A road between your office and your house (which all of the cars in this thread can do very easily), then frankly, the rest is about as relevant as comparing the size of your genitalia.

I did not state that the track time of any of these cars was relevant to the majority of owners. I stated that track times were more relevant than 0-60mph times in determining how quick a car really is, as this is the determining factor in mini5lover's decision on which car to have.

I agree, all the cars listed are perfectly capable of overtaking a red Rover 214i doing 40mph on an A road, which is why most people do not care about any small difference between them (myself included). But this thread started on the premise that the R56 S was slower than the R53, and has gone back and forth with people agreeing and disagreeing. I suggested mini5lover go to a track with Swiper and an R56 S to finally see which one is quicker so she can decide what to buy and we can all go back to not caring.

However, I think you are on to something. You should write to Top Gear and suggest that instead of taking each car around the Top Gear track to see which is the quickest, the Stig should drive to local supermarkets as it is more relevant to everyday driving.

Oh, and don't talk about comparing genitalia - it's a load of b*llocks.