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badboyzbadboyz · Jan 15th, 2004, 06:30 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by minimc

Our perceptions of acceleration & wheel size definitely differ, and you really have no idea what cars or wheels I've driven ...nor I you.

BUT

If one were to compare two identical cars with the only differences being full tank of gas & driver weight top speed would be virtually identical. How long it took to reach top speed would be the issue. ...At higher speed aerodynamics has much more to do with limiting top speed than a 100lb differential. As for tire/wheel size, a larger diameter wheel will have a higher top speed, a smaller tire will be slightly lower.

You can disagree all you like & have your opinions but they wont change gear ratios, reality nor physics.

If you liked the article, then hey good for you! ...But data was not collected using consistent parameters = Garbage in - garbage out.

There's lots of mag's/tuners/part manufacturers who make unsubstantiated claims of performance superiority. It’s understandable as they are businesses with various interests, but you are a consumer. It’s a shame that you feel the need to go on defending & endorsing unscientific and unsubstantiated claims as factual information.

So out of interest, when you see a comparision of say a standard Honda Civic Type R's 0-60 and a standard MINI Cooper S's 0-60 do you consider that an invalid comparision because the Civic has 17"'s and the Cooper 16"'s ? In a perfect World all wheels etc would be the same but when you compare cars things like wheelsize are generally disregarded because of the fairly minimal effect they have. Somewhere on here there is a detailed thread about the effects of 17"'s over 16"'s and I think it made the car about 2mph slower at top speed, IMO thats nothing.

Jan 15th, 2004, 06:30 PM	#19
badboyzbadboyz MINI2 Jedi Master Join Date: May 2003 Local Time: 11:47 PM Posts: 1,238 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by minimc Our perceptions of acceleration & wheel size definitely differ, and you really have no idea what cars or wheels I've driven ...nor I you. BUT If one were to compare two identical cars with the only differences being full tank of gas & driver weight top speed would be virtually identical. How long it took to reach top speed would be the issue. ...At higher speed aerodynamics has much more to do with limiting top speed than a 100lb differential. As for tire/wheel size, a larger diameter wheel will have a higher top speed, a smaller tire will be slightly lower. You can disagree all you like & have your opinions but they wont change gear ratios, reality nor physics. If you liked the article, then hey good for you! ...But data was not collected using consistent parameters = Garbage in - garbage out. There's lots of mag's/tuners/part manufacturers who make unsubstantiated claims of performance superiority. It’s understandable as they are businesses with various interests, but you are a consumer. It’s a shame that you feel the need to go on defending & endorsing unscientific and unsubstantiated claims as factual information. So out of interest, when you see a comparision of say a standard Honda Civic Type R's 0-60 and a standard MINI Cooper S's 0-60 do you consider that an invalid comparision because the Civic has 17"'s and the Cooper 16"'s ? In a perfect World all wheels etc would be the same but when you compare cars things like wheelsize are generally disregarded because of the fairly minimal effect they have. Somewhere on here there is a detailed thread about the effects of 17"'s over 16"'s and I think it made the car about 2mph slower at top speed, IMO thats nothing.