Originally posted by cooper4us


Has CD #32 been released already to US MINI dealerships??

I was told about a month ago by my dealer that CD #32 was to be available first week of November 2002.

CD#31 Was released first week of October 2002.

Does anyone happen to have more infor on the changes/fixes added to CD#32?

Thanks.


I'm having #32 installed as I write. The tech had no idea how it differed from #31, but said he'd download it anyway because it was an "update". We'll see. I had #31 done about a month ago and it stopped the cold start problem.

Originally posted by kshapiro



I'm having #32 installed as I write. The tech had no idea how it differed from #31, but said he'd download it anyway because it was an "update". We'll see. I had #31 done about a month ago and it stopped the cold start problem.

Thanks. Mine is going to get the DME software update first thing in the morning. However, I don't know whether they are going to install CD 31 or 32.

It will be interesting to know how your car will perform after it gets 32 downloaded. I do remember you still having some issues with CD 31.

Will give it a day or so and report any performance changes noted tomorrow.

According to my dealer, CD #33 is due to be released next week.

No idea on what fixes/enhancements will be included in #33.

Maybe Here2help, can give us a sneak peek?

Well, I am not too impressed with the software update downloaded onto my car's ECU yesterday morning. In a nutshell here is what's going on post-update:

1)Sudden idle RPM drop still happening on a cold engine. The car does not shrudder as badly as before but when the idle dropped again this morning (Ambient temperature around 67F, no humidity and crisp air)both, the "Check Engine" and "EML" warning lights came on for a about a second and then went away as soon as the idle RPM's recovered and bounced back to around 1K. Before the update, the car would threaten to quit on a cold engine but neither dash warning lights would ever light up. This is the first time ever the Check Engine and EML lights suddenly lit up when the RPM's dropped. Car ran fine after reaching normal temperature.

2) Car feels much more smoother during acceleration and braking. That "jerky" feeling or "Yo-yoing" when accelerating or letting off the gas pedal has completely gone away. Now the throttle has a more linear, natural response than ever before.

3)Car seems a bit slower off the line and takes a bit more pedal travel to get it moving off the line.

4)Idle is in my opinion rougher than before the update.

5)Idle also bounces back and forth (Between 800 to 1,100 RPM)when stopped in "D" and the A/C is on.


I am giving it a few more days to see if car "adapts" to the new engine calibration, but I am not holding my breath that these few remaining wrinkles will iron out by themselves.

Anyway, I put a call to MINIUSA this morning and the rep that I have been working with in regards to this issue has been extremely responsive and attentive to my situation. I told him about my experience after getting the software update and he told me that the engineers back at Corporate office were extremely interested and eager to see if the cold engine near stall problem had been or not addressed with yesterday's update. He compiled my comments and sent out an e-mail to the Corporate office to speed up things a bit. He said that they are currently working on it and as soon as a new software fix becomes available known to resolve this annoying problem in the MC 5 speed and CVT models, he willlet me know right away (And I believe him).

I don't want to try to install any more software updates until MINIUSA gives me total assurance that the next software fix "Is it".

I am very pleased about MINIUSA's attitude and eagerness to help thruought this saga. But still I am getting a bit bummed about this problem happening on a 2 month old car with just 1,350 miles on the odo.

All I want is a car that runs smoothly and that doesn't threaten to quit on a cold engine.

I am kinda worried about the Check Engine and EML lights. These went off this morning, but like I said, before the update, they have never lighted up before.:(

I would just like to report that since my dealer re-set the values in the ecu two weeks ago, the car has started first go each time.:D :D

cooper4us-

I had the same rough idling and stalling symptoms on my July 02 MCS. The service Engine and EML light came on intermittently.
They replaced the throttle valve assembly and it gone now. You may want to have them check that.

I brought my MCS, built May 2, 2002 with 5,60 mile to New Country Motors this morning for the 'Cold Start' software fix.

The weather today is not very good but the car's response seems to be better. The yo-yoing problem seems to be gone or at least minimized.

I also had them do the following:

1) The passenger side Tweeter/Door Handle trim was popping off. The service Tech R&R'd the door panel and has ordered a new tweeter mount and trim that will be installed next Friday.

2) Had them check the oil level. They put in 3/4 quart. The Tech said oil consumption was normal.

3) Had them program the Day time Running Lights. Cool.

:D :D :D :D

At the risk of sounding stupid and taking a verbal bashing from some of the fine folks on this forum, I now report the following.

After I put the BMP intake kit on my car the cold start problem went away, for about a week, then returned. For the past three weeks I've had to try at least three times each morning to get the thing started. Very annoying. Anyway, Tuesday morning I hopped in my car and, for some reason, put my seatbelt on before trying to start the car. I turned the key and it fired right up on the first try. It's been doing the same every morning since.

Could be a fluke but it's working for me.

Peace.

Rory

So you have not had the ECU upgrade done to correct the cold start problem. Does your MCS exhibit the surging or "yo-yo" problem when accelerating through 2000-3000RPM in 2nd gear with the BMP intake kit?

TIA. :)

BMP, no ecu upgrade, still YO YO's. Just mash the pedal to zip by that area :D

I was inspired to reply after reading of a contributor’s suggestion to wait a little with the ignition key in the on position before starting the engine in an attempt to overcome the cold start problem with an MCS. Perhaps the Mini software is not all that bad after all.


Driver: Turns the key to “ON”
MCS: “Initialising WinMINI…..”
MCS: “Loading your personal settings…..”
MCS: “Press Unlock on the remote control to begin. Pressing the unlock button is a security measure designed to protect your MCS from unauthorised use”
Driver: Presses Unlock button on key remote
MCS: “Loading WinMINI please wait….”
MCS: “Turn key to position 2 to start the engine.”
Driver: Turns key to position 2
MCS: “You appear to be starting a new journey. Would you like some help?”
Driver: “No”
MCS: engine starts
Driver: depresses clutch and selects first gear
MCS: “Welcome to WinMINI. Would you like to begin a tour of WinMINI and discover enhancements and new features?”
Driver: “No”
MCS: “You have chosen to rapidly accelerate the vehicle. Are you sure?”
Driver: “$%#**&”
MCS: “WinMINI has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down. Please contact your software vendor for more information. Press Ctrl Alt Del to restart”

Our MINI's are getting a 'Blue screen' when the engine is cold....;)

On mine I think they deleted a heap of registry keys, and now it runs a treat :eek:

Guys, try and keep it within the subject... or the post gets it!

You have been warned!

:):rolleyes:

My car feels slower with the update. Has any one done some dyno testing before and after update?

Give me my surging and power back.

Originally posted by RSAmerica
My car feels slower with the update. Has any one done some dyno testing before and after update?
Give me my surging and power back.

Same situation here. Had earlier posted same results of the ECU upgrade: cold start problem resolved but car performance is down. Less surging or yo-yo and power is linear, but feels weaker. Feels like the car is running on too rich a mixture and exhaust sounds more muffled. Hope someone will be able to post a comparison dyno or acceleration tests (before/after ECU upgarde).

Like RSAmerica, I rather have my surging and power back. :mad:

sorry, I'm a bit late on the uptake here... Does anybody know when the cold start fix software began being implemented in production? I have a July build Cooper S and am unsure if I have the newest software. I haven't experienced cold start, but the power hole in first gear and the yoyoing under acceleration is kind of there...

Is there a date or VIN number range someone can give me?

Thank in advance! :)

FWIW, if you had problems with cold starts, you'd know it. I experienced the problem even at 80F (30C) air temperatures. "Cold" refers to the engine's temperature and not ambient air temperatures.

With the cold start problem, it often took two or three tries to get the motor started. Once the motor's run a bit, though, it will start right up and is "good to go".

Originally posted by RBEmerson
FWIW, if you had problems with cold starts, you'd know it. I experienced the problem even at 80F (30C) air temperatures. "..

Agreed. My MINI had the cold start problem even when the temperature was well over 100F (38C) :eek: so you would definately know if you had the problem.

thanks guys :)

No worries!:)

I have just booked by MCS into Braman at West Palm Beach to have the cold start fix loaded. It seems they are unaware of the cold start problem and have no idea whether they have the software to fix it. Does this make any sense? What is the communication between MINI and the dealers like? It seems that many other dealers know about it so is it just that this dealer is actng brain-dead?

Yesterday I had the latest software (CD32 or CD33 can't remember which) installed on my Cooper S to correct the cold starting problem. This morning it started immediately on the first try. I'm not willing to say the problem is cured with just one test, but I am happy with the result so far.

Like others have reported, the car seems to have less of a dead spot when starting out in first gear, but I'm not sure if that is just wishful thinking on my part. You see the weather changed drastically (temperatures falling quickly from 70F to about 45F) from the moment I dropped the car at the dealers until I drove away in it up 3 hours later. I don't know how much to attribute to the software change vs. the weather change. But I can certainly report that as other MINI2 members have stated, cold weather is the Cooper S's friend, giving noticably more power! :D :D :D :D

Originally posted by BruceK
Yesterday I had the latest software (CD32 or CD33 can't remember which) installed on my Cooper S to correct the cold starting problem. This morning it started immediately on the first try. I'm not willing to say the problem is cured with just one test, but I am happy with the result so far.

Like others have reported, the car seems to have less of a dead spot when starting out in first gear, but I'm not sure if that is just wishful thinking on my part. You see the weather changed drastically (temperatures falling quickly from 70F to about 45F) from the moment I dropped the car at the dealers until I drove away in it up 3 hours later. I don't know how much to attribute to the software change vs. the weather change. But I can certainly report that as other MINI2 members have stated, cold weather is the Cooper S's friend, giving noticably more power! :D :D :D :D


I would be very interested to know about the version your dealer downloaded into your car's DME yesterday. My dealer still has not received CD #32 as of yet.

Please let me know.

:D

Originally posted by cooper4us
I would be very interested to know about the version your dealer downloaded into your car's DME yesterday. My dealer still has not received CD #32 as of yet.

Please let me know.

:D
I just checked the paperwork from the dealer visit and there is no mention of the CD version. :(

When I booked the service visit a couple of weeks ago I think the dealer said it was version 32, but when I asked the service manager yesterday he wasn't sure if it was 32 or 33 (he just said it was the latest available).

Perhaps you could check with MINIUSA to see what they say the latest version is?

We are using the very latest disc which is version 31...32 is not out yet

My dealer also claims that #31 is the latest update they have

Does MINI officially recognise that there is a cold start fix? I was told by Braman in West Palm beach that they had not heard of it (earlier post in this thread). Since then I called MiniUSA and was told that there was only a cold star fix for the Cooper, not the Cooper S. When I told them that many here were getting a fix for the S, she said it was possible that it may help the S but it was really intended for the Cooper.

Originally posted by Keith
Does MINI officially recognise that there is a cold start fix? I was told by Braman in West Palm beach that they had not heard of it (earlier post in this thread). Since then I called MiniUSA and was told that there was only a cold star fix for the Cooper, not the Cooper S. When I told them that many here were getting a fix for the S, she said it was possible that it may help the S but it was really intended for the Cooper.

There is a cold start fix for the Cooper S also known as "CD #31". There are also 2 separate versions of CD31 for the Cooper 5-speed and the Cooper CVT (Which I got downloaded 4 weeks ago). CD31 was released to dealers early October 2002. CD31 in the regular Cooper fixes different issues that are completely different from the Cold engine start problem that is concentric to the Cooper S (The person that gave you that answer at MINIUSA has it all mixed up).

Braman does not have a very good reputation when it comes to service and support the products they sell, particurarly their BMW and MINI product lines. I would suggest for yout to either contact Lauderdale MINI (Talk to Max Cabrera, service advisor) or contact South Motors MINI in Miami, where they also have plenty of first hand knowledge about the CD31 cold fix update for the MCS.

If I were you I would avoid Braman like the plague.

Also, as far as MINIUSA is concerned there are only a few people there well versed witht he MCS software fix update. Most other PR people there unfortunately as nice as they are, don't have an iota of technical background to understand what the problem is and what fixes are available.

Well, it's been a week now since the software was updated on my Cooper S....

I'm very happy to report that the cold start problem appears to be completely fixed. When the engine is cold the car is starting on the first attempt with very little cranking required. Success. :) :) :)

However, the yo-yo phenomenon is reduced, but still present. :( :mad: