So how did donny go?
i had a good day .enjoyed myself very very wet.3 cars bit the dust one quite a bad one :(

i had a good day .enjoyed myself very very wet.3 cars bit the dust one quite a bad one :(

Thats not good news:( at least you had a good day, It must of been windy today as well:confused:

Could you nail it down the straight or did you have to be cautious, are there any tyres you could use for wet days.

I use the same tyres although Nankangs branded and I stand by them too on the track. I gave them absolute death at Combe in the dry and they are nothing but seriously sticky and smooth on the edge. Well till it rains and then you better change tyres for any grip on the track but still easily controllable though.

Does your MINI have any strut or chassis braces??

I'm sure with a stiffer rear roll bar, lower centre of gravity, coil overs and a decent LSD you will be doing the best you can without fixing the front suspension geometry. :) Designed to wash out on you afterall. Certainly will lap much better.

It has the OMP upper and lower brace...

I think everyone seems to be of the same opinion, get the LSD, coilovers and with a decent set-up for the track and the Parada's back on it should all be gravy.

Cheers for the comments guys, made me feel much better about the car.

LSD and susp has to be next. I've got about the same power on paper as you and the limiting factor on track is now the lack of LSD as I have coilovers and trackday wheels and tyres.

Classic example was when 3 of us did the RAF Marham trackday - me with about 230 and r888s and coilovers/strut braces etc, MAX with over 250bhp but standard everything else, and John with a facelift S with an LSD. Once we got past MAX after the mile long stright :o me and John were off, but I found it really hard to get past john because his traction was so much better out of the corners. If I wasnt having to get rid of my baby to pay for a new central heating system an LSD would be the next job. Even in the rain at Goodwood the car was fantastic and quick, and i am by no means a great driver.

Also bear in mind that one days one to one instruction is just over £200, sao you could do one less track day and have instruction fo a whole day in your car ;) Its what I'm going to do when I have the replacement for the beasty... :( as I'll be going rear wheel drive and light ;)

You're right, winter tyres were foolish, but the track was minus 2 so mine were the only tyres to get up to a decent temperature.

Which LSD works best on the track? Most people seem to go the quaife route, but I fear they might be a little to open for track use.

No no and no. Summer tyre is on the dry or wet road better than a winter tyre no matter how much is outside temperature.

Look quiafe it's ok. It's very OK for road use, because it's not lock all the time, so when you go slow works like the open diff.
But it is bad when one tyre goes up. Then you don't have a LSD anymore and it's work like normal diff.
So it's work only when both tyres are on the road.
Does anybody know how much % it's lock?

For track use is then better the clutch type LSD i think. But I have my car for street driving too so i go with quaife.

The cheapest option is phantom grip. It's work like the clutch one. I have one if you need it.

Bye

NickG you must be insane runnig R888's in the wet, most people who use them on track will know all to well the lack of grip, they are after all a road legal slick race tyre

They have more grip wet and dry once warm (this happens pretty quickly) than the F1 GSD3s.

I took the R888s off at the end of November, and the same driving in the same conditions now gives wheel spin, and the ABS has also kicked in, which hadn't happened with the toyos.

People say about problems with standing water, but they are not half as bad in this respect as I imagined.

Nothing insane about wanting more grip :tongue:

They have more grip wet and dry once warm (this happens pretty quickly) than the F1 GSD3s.

I took the R888s off at the end of November, and the same driving in the same conditions now gives wheel spin, and the ABS has also kicked in, which hadn't happened with the toyos.

People say about problems with standing water, but they are not half as bad in this respect as I imagined.

Nothing insane about wanting more grip :tongue:


For lower speed are great and for higer OK.

No problem at all in wet with them.

You need an LSD, full stop .
I have it on my BMW and it is awesome!

Get the Quaife asap!

You need an LSD, full stop .
I have it on my BMW and it is awesome!

Get the Quaife asap!

The Quaife differential is an automatic torque biasing (ATB) diff, not a limited slip diff (LSD). The former uses gears to control energy flow, the later used small clutch plates. Theoretically the Quaife is far superior and looses no power and as it cannot wear out when run on high torqued engines it is the preferred option by many ;)

Due to costs, BMW MINI uses LSD when that option is selected/applied to the vehicle in the showroom.

Don't ask me how the ATB works - it's voodoo magic :D

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Having just looked on the quaife website i see they actually use the term LSD which is confusing. Also interesting is that the vehicle should have it's suspension adjusted to account for the alteration in handling characteristics when torque changes from wheel to wheel, again this is interesting - does the MINI have different suspension if fitted with the lesser LSD?

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Cheers,
K.