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thepilo
Mar 14th, 2003, 10:45 AM
Here is the how to.. Remember, 03 only, and do this at your own risk

http://mini.thepilo.com/aux

snoopy
Mar 14th, 2003, 12:54 PM
Good to see it is working for some one. Now we just need someone to tell us the part number of that little white connector or a part number for a kit.

Like to see what MINIusa now say :)

dco43054
Mar 14th, 2003, 06:55 PM
Good job thepilo!

From what you've done, it would appear that if one could find the correct end connectors, you could just insert the wires into the designated empty spaces in the connector without cannibalizing the CD Changer? Is that correct? I would think the metal ends would be available from another source if MINI could not provide them, or a suitable extra pigtail that could be cannibalized.

I'm not worried about this for myself, as I have an iPod and think the CD changer is so overpriced as to be ludicrous, but I'm thinking about resale/being able to use the rear connector for something in the future.

Also - do you have an aftermarket mount for your iPAQ, or did you make one yourself? It was hard to make out from your video.

Thanks, again. I will have my iPod playing just a few days after I take delivery this weekend!!!!

Dave

mikeythemini
Mar 14th, 2003, 07:45 PM
does anyone have a pinout diagram like that for the wave??
The extra connectors in it are 10 pin not 12 pin.
mike

CurtP
Mar 14th, 2003, 08:49 PM
I believe the plug uses the same .100" spacing used on standard computer headers. I'll have to dig around in my pile of old computer stuff to see if I have a double row 12 pin header laying around somewhere :D

TheFU
Mar 14th, 2003, 08:50 PM
Thanks Pilo for actually taking the time to test out my theory from the other thread. Now the question for me when I get my MCS is whether to buy the factory "kit" (if available yet) or build my own. I have been in contact with my dealer to source the connector/harness that is undoubtedly a stock part and used for satnav and/or hands free kit in the 5 series from my research.

With that in place, there would be no reason to canibalize the connector from the CD-Changer and both would work.

TheFU
Mar 14th, 2003, 08:51 PM
Oh, and BTW, just say NO to the BlitzSafe!

I had to say that!!!

bluemeenie
Mar 15th, 2003, 04:55 AM
Thanks for the instructions, thepilo. Worked like a charm once we went back & took the key notch out & put the adapter in the right place (I know, duh!). Not bad for 2 people with *very* little electronics smarts. My iPod equiped MINI & I are soooo happy now!

dco43054
Mar 15th, 2003, 07:07 AM
Originally posted by TheFU
Oh, and BTW, just say NO to the BlitzSafe!

I had to say that!!! Well, I won't be Blitzsafin'. Got my utility knife and hopefully will have a part number to source the harness so I won't have to cannibalize the other connector. If not, snip, snip...:D

Dave

thepilo
Mar 15th, 2003, 08:47 AM
Glad to hear that some one else was able to get it working. I bought a IPAQ mount off ebay, and made my own Metal bracket to mount it to, the goes right into the screws that hold the cd-player in

snoopy
Mar 15th, 2003, 11:53 AM
Hi Mike

Here is a pin out diagram that I dug up. Now don’t know if it works for the MINI but it might point you in the right direction.

As a side note the wave may not be able to have aux in for the following reasons:

Boost is the STD for o/s MINI. Boost sold in to the NA market and I think this is the only market telling the consumers about the Aux in.

Boost in needed for Nav, TV,H/K ie the boost is a smart head unit where the wave is not.

I just think the wave is to basic to get a nice feature like Aux in. It was lucky to get a changer option, but for the fact that no one would buy a headunit that cannot control a changer.
:)

mikeythemini
Mar 15th, 2003, 04:01 PM
Thanks snoopy. You are right:rolleyes:
Just mine came with a wave which is kicking round the workshop, looks like I can get the bits but wanted to test it out.
Will have to find a local willing boost owning person.:D
mike

res0zvle
Mar 15th, 2003, 08:45 PM
Great work thepilo!! Not only did you make it work but you did so in such a way that anyone (inlcuding those of us with little technical background) can now do the install! Thanks to Snoopy too for providing the documentation for the aux install. Now, do you think it's possible to control the Ipod's tracks selection/volume via the steering wheel radio control buttons (since the Ipod already has an external remote for track selection and volume control).

Thanks again
Jim

bluemeenie
Mar 15th, 2003, 10:36 PM
Used to run an FM trasmitter and power the iPod via the charger in my old car. When I have my iPod happily playing away in my MINI via AUX input jack (thanks to the pilo)and plug in the charger to power the iPod, the AUX display disappears & no more sound. Anyone know if this should work?

GadgetGav
Mar 16th, 2003, 01:46 AM
Can anyone post a pic of the wire crimp terminals for those of us who don't want to disable the CD input..?
If I can find the right crimps, surely I can just add wires to the correct pins and have both available. Mikey, do you know what they are..? AMP..? Molex..?

Loren
Mar 16th, 2003, 02:34 AM
Originally posted by res0zvle
[B]Now, do you think it's possible to control the Ipod's tracks selection/volume via the steering wheel radio control buttons (since the Ipod already has an external remote for track selection and volume control).

This is an excellent excellent question. One I've been practically losing sleep over myself. For if it WERE possible to do this, and whatever POS Mini ends up releasing does NOT do this, I would certainly want to try to do it "myself" with the expert instructions of the likes of you. (I for one don't understand anything at all about electronics, but if the instructions were clear enough I could print them out and get someone at an audio shop to do it maybe).

So, what do you all think? Would it be possible to make a connection with the iPod remote (which is part of the minijack output on the iPod) to the stereo, especially so you could control volume and next/previous track with the steering wheel controls??

Please say yes!

snoopy
Mar 16th, 2003, 04:30 AM
Originally posted by mikeythemini
Thanks snoopy. You are right:rolleyes:
Just mine came with a wave which is kicking round the workshop, looks like I can get the bits but wanted to test it out.
Will have to find a local willing boost owning person.:D
mike

Mike so you want to see if a UK boost has the same feature?

At a guess it will, just to hard to MFG different boost head unit of all of the worlds market. (you might want to get a certain MINI2 user to look at his computer to see if the part number for a USA boost is the same as a UK boost.)

However it might be link to the country code programmed in the radio, also remember that is was 2003 version of the radio that had this function.

Am I local enough? :p :D

Strad
Mar 16th, 2003, 07:03 AM
Good mod thepilo. Made the hack myself today with a couple of changes: Used heat shrink tubing over the solder connections; used an existing aux cable instead of soldering to 24" jumpers; had the 1/8" stereo MALE come out on a cable under the toggles - simply plugs right in to the iPod - very nifty. The way I see it for those of us that may decide we want a CD changer too, once we find out the part numbers and availability of the crimp-ons and plastic connectors we can reactivate the changer inputs while keeping the Aux.

Now the real fun: anybody spot the Aux Level control?!?!? When you're in Aux input mode, an AUX Level setting appears in the HK menu right after balance. It's a 6 step level control - from 0 to 5. For the iPod the best sound seems to be with the iPod level up full, and the Aux Level setting on 0 or 1. Incidentally 0 is not 'zero". It's probably unity gain - ie. no attenuation and no additional input amplification. The settings from 1 thru 6 all add input gain for Aux sources with varying low outputs. At least it seems that way to me.

Strad

TheFU
Mar 16th, 2003, 09:12 PM
If you search for the handsfree install on this forum you will see how to use a standard 2x12 header so you won't have to steal the changer one. This is where I got the original info on the HU connector pinouts for Pilo to use on my other thread.

I still will try and chase down a BMW part for this connector.

thepilo
Mar 16th, 2003, 10:20 PM
sounds good, where is the thread.. if we could find a source for them, I got throw a cheap (cheap only in price, not quality) kit together and get more people into it that don't wanna cut the wire

godzappa
Mar 16th, 2003, 10:40 PM
A kit would be awesome thepilo

If accessing the AUX is a fairly simple matter afterall (appart from getting to the back of the stereo in the first place) why do you reckon the official Mini unit is taking so long?

Maybe they're working on having the input allow for full remote control functionality, inc accessing the iPods remote functions through the Steering Wheel controls?

GadgetGav
Mar 17th, 2003, 12:01 AM
We can hope, but I doubt MINI is going to control the iPod through the wheel buttons.
For a start they've got some deal with HP/Compaq and they'd have to make separate interfaces for all the MP3 players out there...

I think it's just a big corporation and the approvals they need vs. some guys with electronics know-how and determination...

TheFU
Mar 17th, 2003, 05:22 AM
sounds good, where is the thread.. if we could find a source for them, I got throw a cheap (cheap only in price, not quality) kit together and get more people into it that don't wanna cut the wire

The thing is that there is already a BMW part for the 5 series...I am researching this right now. It won't be any cheaper for you to kit it. The biggest issue folks will have is the disassembly of the dash and removal of the HU. Most will prob have to pay around $40 for the kit and then $80 to have it installed. (here comes the Blitz guys)

The reason they are taking so long is probably because they need to make a mini part number, write the TSB on the install, and then get quantities shipped over.

And, as far as iPod control...it is conceivable that someone could create a kit to plug into the i-bus that would then plug directly into the iPod (iLink -> RS232 adapters are out there). Then, one could write the software on the iPod to interpret the button presses and then issue a command directly to media-player. The only problem with this is that the market size is so small, the development would be too much for a commercial venture...the only way this would get developed is if an enthusiast put their own blood sweat and tears into building it. Its not that tough (I am a s/w engineer)...just go to the "hacktheibus" group on yahoo and you can find oodles of stuff people are doing to connect their BMWs to the i-bus in the car.

jaybeeonline
Mar 17th, 2003, 08:30 PM
I am new to this, but bear with me.

The parts are for the aux connection are available from BMW.

The part numbers are as follows:

Plug assembly - BM61.13.8.3773213 - £0.48 each (UK)
Pins (x3) - BM61.13.0.005.198 - £0.63 each (UK)

Hope this is of use to your quest.

CurtP
Mar 17th, 2003, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by jaybeeonline
I am new to this, but bear with me.

The parts are for the aux connection are available from BMW.

The part numbers are as follows:

Plug assembly - BM61.13.8.3773213 - £0.48 each (UK)
Pins (x3) - BM61.13.0.005.198 - £0.63 each (UK)

Hope this is of use to your quest.

I just called my local dealership, and they couldn't look up the part numbers. The plug part number has too many digits, and I couldn't get him to try to look up the pins (all he wanted at that point was the year/make/model of car). Can we get clarification of those part numbers?

mikeythemini
Mar 18th, 2003, 12:45 AM
Hi guys, I am working on making a cheap ready made up lead for you but am working blind as my mini had wave.
We are using pins 3, 4, 10. Which is which i.e. Left +, Right +, signal ground??
What would most of you prefare? a lead with male stereo jack so you can plug it straight into accesories or a jack socket or rca phono plugs??
I have had no luck buying the parts seperately but think I have got an alternative.
Mike

suvssuk
Mar 18th, 2003, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by mikeythemini
Hi guys, I am working on making a cheap ready made up lead for you but am working blind as my mini had wave.
We are using pins 3, 4, 10. Which is which i.e. Left +, Right +, signal ground??
What would most of you prefare? a lead with male stereo jack so you can plug it straight into accesories or a jack socket or rca phono plugs??
I have had no luck buying the parts seperately but think I have got an alternative.
Mike

I would prefer just a length of wire so I could put on my choice of connector.

-suvssuk

Strad
Mar 18th, 2003, 01:16 AM
On connector "C":
Pin 3 = left
Pin 4 = right
Pin 10 = ground (earth)

This is the TV input(or so it's labled in the wiring diagrams we've seen posted) This IS the input that shows up as 'AUX' in the display of the HU.

Strad

Chayse
Mar 18th, 2003, 01:26 AM
I found a harness to use instead of hacking the CD changer cable. I bought 2 ps/2 mouse adapters from my local computer shop. The adapters are designed to add a ps/2 mouse to computer without one. The end has a six pin single row connector. With both of them, I had all 12 pins covered. The connectors each come with 4 wires, more than enough to use for the AUX install as well as the HF phone mount and nav input. I'll post some pics of the adapters later.

Fred

TheFU
Mar 18th, 2003, 02:58 AM
the bottom of this page is prob. all you need. since the crimper for these is a little pricey, you can just solder the wires to the pins. This is of course assuming these are .100 headers...that is what the mouse adapter you have is I'm sure.

http://dkc3.digikey.com/PDF/T031/0077.pdf